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Post by ypaterson on Feb 19, 2024 20:00:16 GMT -5
rodon finished 5th & 6th in the CY voting the 2 previous seasons. his line overall was 2.67 era, .998 whip and 12.2k/9. that's ace territory. wanna call him a #2. fine. they're not paying $162 mil to be a #3. folks need to forget about last season. have a feeling we'll see the pitcher we traded for. he was embarrassed and reported to camp in great shape. expect a return close to form. and yeah he has to stay healthy. but you can say that about every player. But its more of a valid concern with rodon , he has a pretty lengthy i jury history Just like Snell, Rodon could have a very good season. But it is far from a guarantee. And even at their best Snell and Rodon never log the workload we expect from Cole every year. |
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Post by posadafan24 on Feb 19, 2024 20:59:06 GMT -5
But its more of a valid concern with rodon , he has a pretty lengthy i jury history Just like Snell, Rodon could have a very good season. But it is far from a guarantee. And even at their best Snell and Rodon never log the workload we expect from Cole every year. Yeah but we are talking about rodon since he is a yankee . But that being said , i dont understand why they arent going after monty instead , dude is practically a work horse innings wise and would likely come cheaper with a shorter deal than snell |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Feb 19, 2024 21:24:32 GMT -5
But its more of a valid concern with rodon , he has a pretty lengthy i jury history Just like Snell, Rodon could have a very good season. But it is far from a guarantee. And even at their best Snell and Rodon never log the workload we expect from Cole every year. Rodon's health has to be one of the biggest concerns the Yankees have going into 2024. He's missed time due to injury in each of the last 7 seasons. That's should be deeply concerning. |
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Post by inger on Feb 19, 2024 22:51:21 GMT -5
Just like Snell, Rodon could have a very good season. But it is far from a guarantee. And even at their best Snell and Rodon never log the workload we expect from Cole every year. Rodon's health has to be one of the biggest concerns the Yankees have going into 2024. He's missed time due to injury in each of the last 7 seasons. That's should be deeply concerning. Must have been a ten day stint in 2022, since he made 31 starts. Thanks for pointing that out, though. I knew he had a lot of injury history, but I didn’t realize it was that extensive… |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 20, 2024 10:27:41 GMT -5
Just like Snell, Rodon could have a very good season. But it is far from a guarantee. And even at their best Snell and Rodon never log the workload we expect from Cole every year. Yeah but we are talking about rodon since he is a yankee . But that being said , i dont understand why they arent going after monty instead , dude is practically a work horse innings wise and would likely come cheaper with a shorter deal than snell My theory if that the same people who thought he should be traded for a center fielder in a walking boot still do not have a very high opinion of his talent. Maybe it is Cashman, maybe it is Blake, maybe the analytics department, but someone one or some group in the Yankee hierarchy just does not think a lot of him. I liked Monty but he is at best a #2 and on a good staff a # 3. I don't think I'd go over 4 years at $24 M per or him and I think he still aims to get more. |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 20, 2024 10:29:23 GMT -5
Rodon's health has to be one of the biggest concerns the Yankees have going into 2024. He's missed time due to injury in each of the last 7 seasons. That's should be deeply concerning. Must have been a ten day stint in 2022, since he made 31 starts. Thanks for pointing that out, though. I knew he had a lot of injury history, but I didn’t realize it was that extensive… Rodon shut himself down at the end of the year in '22 saying he had reached his innings limit. I guess if the Giants were still in it they would have ben SOL for a starter that year. I wonder what his innings limit is this year ? |
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2024 10:32:29 GMT -5
Yeah but we are talking about rodon since he is a yankee . But that being said , i dont understand why they arent going after monty instead , dude is practically a work horse innings wise and would likely come cheaper with a shorter deal than snell My theory if that the same people who thought he should be traded for a center fielder in a walking boot still do not have a very high opinion of his talent. Maybe it is Cashman, maybe it is Blake, maybe the analytics department, but someone one or some group in the Yankee hierarchy just does not think a lot of him. I liked Monty but he is at best a #2 and on a good staff a # 3. I don't think I'd go over 4 years at $24 M per or him and I think he still aims to get more. He is a decent pitcher, but his rep is built mostly in his first 5 starts in St. Louis and his stint with Texas last year. Both are small samples. Other than that he’s been middling… |
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2024 10:35:06 GMT -5
Must have been a ten day stint in 2022, since he made 31 starts. Thanks for pointing that out, though. I knew he had a lot of injury history, but I didn’t realize it was that extensive… Rodon shut himself down at the end of the year in '22 saying he had reached his innings limit. I guess if the Giants were still in it they would have ben SOL for a starter that year. I wonder what his innings limit is this year ? Hopefully he’ll get enough innings for us to have to worry about that… |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 20, 2024 10:44:10 GMT -5
My theory if that the same people who thought he should be traded for a center fielder in a walking boot still do not have a very high opinion of his talent. Maybe it is Cashman, maybe it is Blake, maybe the analytics department, but someone one or some group in the Yankee hierarchy just does not think a lot of him. I liked Monty but he is at best a #2 and on a good staff a # 3. I don't think I'd go over 4 years at $24 M per or him and I think he still aims to get more. He is a decent pitcher, but his rep is built mostly in his first 5 starts in St. Louis and his stint with Texas last year. Both are small samples. Other than that he’s been middling… Ignore the CY voting...that is just a beauty contest. Look at the innings logs. Montgomery is pitching when guys like Rodon and Snell are watching from the hot tub ! |
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Post by qimqam on Feb 20, 2024 10:52:06 GMT -5
Must have been a ten day stint in 2022, since he made 31 starts. Thanks for pointing that out, though. I knew he had a lot of injury history, but I didn’t realize it was that extensive… Rodon shut himself down at the end of the year in '22 saying he had reached his innings limit. I guess if the Giants were still in it they would have ben SOL for a starter that year. I wonder what his innings limit is this year ? I'm calling BS on this |
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2024 10:55:27 GMT -5
He is a decent pitcher, but his rep is built mostly in his first 5 starts in St. Louis and his stint with Texas last year. Both are small samples. Other than that he’s been middling… Ignore the CY voting...that is just a beauty contest. Look at the innings logs. Montgomery is pitching when guys like Rodon and Snell are watching from the hot tub ! There have been plenty of CYA winners that weren’t the best in their league that year. Recent selections may have been a bit more reflective of the “best” since wins are no longer held in such high regard. Cy Young Awards are only slightly more indicative of talent than those near meaningless gold gloves handed out year after year… |
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Post by ypaterson on Feb 20, 2024 11:30:00 GMT -5
Rodon shut himself down at the end of the year in '22 saying he had reached his innings limit. I guess if the Giants were still in it they would have ben SOL for a starter that year. I wonder what his innings limit is this year ? I'm calling BS on this
www.knbr.com/2022/10/04/giants-shut-down-carlos-rodon-ending-dominant-individual-season/ |
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Post by inger on Feb 20, 2024 11:57:40 GMT -5
At least the wording here suggests that had the Giants still been in the race, Rodon would have pitched… |
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Post by nw on Feb 20, 2024 11:59:14 GMT -5
He had thrown 178 innings, which was his career high, after a 132 inning season. After major surgery, you'd expect that he'd only go 15% over his previous season, which would have been 151 innings. Given that he was going into free agency, this was a smart move by Rodon and Boras. I expect the Yankees to load manage both Cortes and Rodon while relying heavily on Cole, Stroman, and Schmidt to pitch every fifth day. They can do some of that with off days or pulling them earlier when we're up big, but there will still be room for spot starts and bullpen games. The thing that concerns me is that everyone I trusted in those spot starts is now pitching in San Diego. We might have to see what we have in Beeter and W. Warren and I guess Hampton is in the mix though realistically a year plus away. Beeter is on the 40 man, so he'll likely have the first shot. |
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Post by jiminy on Feb 20, 2024 12:01:55 GMT -5
Bryan Hoch: Andy Pettitte, CC Sabathia, Bernie Williams & Willie Randolph are all here at #Yankees camp for the first full-squad workout.
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