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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 6, 2024 11:15:11 GMT -5
I may have raised this question before but was wondering if it seems to anyone that the Yankees seem to question ball/strike calls more frequently than most teams. There is a part of me that finds this understandable, if indeed true, because Umps in todays game make a lot of questionable calls or at least with modern technology they are easier to see and report on. I do think the Yankees seem to question calls more than other teams but I have no emperical data to support my feeling. I've wondered at times if players are taking a page from Soto who does seem to regularly question calls. I can understand the frustration a hitter must feel when the bat is taken out of his hands, especially in a key situation, by a bad strike call. But far too often it seems like our guys are jawing about pitches that are indeed strikes. Does anyone feel this may impact how Umpires call the game against us? Off day, slow news day so I thought this might be a good discussion as I am really curious if anyone else has noticed this or if I am once again caught offbase.
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Post by azbob643 on May 6, 2024 11:45:31 GMT -5
I may have raised this question before but was wondering if it seems to anyone that the Yankees seem to question ball/strike calls more frequently than most teams. There is a part of me that finds this understandable, if indeed true, because Umps in todays game make a lot of questionable calls or at least with modern technology they are easier to see and report on. I do think the Yankees seem to question calls more than other teams but I have no emperical data to support my feeling. I've wondered at times if players are taking a page from Soto who does seem to regularly question calls. I can understand the frustration a hitter must feel when the bat is taken out of his hands, especially in a key situation, by a bad strike call. But far too often it seems like our guys are jawing about pitches that are indeed strikes. Does anyone feel this may impact how Umpires call the game against us? Off day, slow news day so I thought this might be a good discussion as I am really curious if anyone else has noticed this or if I am once again caught offbase. IMO, the uproar over “bad umpiring” is overblown. Your point re today’s technology making “bad” calls easier for fans to see is valid. We’re talking a fraction of an inch on pitches just hitting/missing the strike zone. Most pitchers today throw in the 90’s with movement, so it shouldn’t be too difficult to understand why an ump can “miss” a call on close pitches. That’s not to say there aren’t egregious calls, but those are few and far between, which is why we see them highlighted and reported. Man bites dog. |
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Post by inger on May 6, 2024 12:17:14 GMT -5
Aaron Boone’s ejection record speaks for itself. I do think his player follow his lead. But we do see our opposition complaining too.
As far as Soto goes, I think he’s intelligent enough to offer civil discourse with the umps and is often comparing notes with umps, like “Did that come back in? How does he throw that.” I honestly don’t think most umps mind him taking to them.
Judge will usually have his say but says his piece and walks away. I think Volpe is tending to get a bit too vocal with the umps because his own zone knowledge isn’t standing up, and he hasn’t established himself as a hitter. Not a complete answer, I know… I don’t know that we notice the other team barking as much as we do ours…
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Post by desousa on May 6, 2024 12:20:59 GMT -5
It's a good question, but one that I don't know the answer to because I only watch Yankee games or highlights. They do seem to complain a lot, and most of the time they're right, but is it more than other teams, IDK. I think guys like Soto, who rarely swings at balls out of the strike zone or Judge who regularly screwed on the low pitch have a right to complain when they think they get a bad call. Or Cleveland OF Steven Kwan who had over 700 PA's last season and only K's 70 times. Those numbers aren't exactly DiMaggio, Berra or Mize like, but pretty damn good in this day in age. Kwan seems to have a pretty good idea where the strike zone is, so I wonder if gets hosed a lot and complains. Replay and especially social media have made the umps super sensitive too, so guys like Boone are going to get tossed for not a whole lot of bitching.
Thanks for the good question, 1955nyyfan. Keep them coming.
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Post by kaybli on May 6, 2024 12:45:10 GMT -5
I don't know if we complain more than other teams but I know no player gets screwed as much as Judge on those low strike calls so he has every right to complain.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 6, 2024 13:12:16 GMT -5
I don't know if we complain more than other teams but I know no player gets screwed as much as Judge on those low strike calls so he has every right to complain. Kaybli, there does seem to be evidence that supports this. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 6, 2024 13:14:28 GMT -5
One thing that may impact this is the emphasis on catchers stealing strikes. I think this is a stat that might even be tracked? I'd be tempted if I were an Ump to tell the catchers if you move the glove on a close pitch it's going to be called a ball.
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Post by themartian on May 6, 2024 13:17:05 GMT -5
I don't know if we complain more than other teams but I know no player gets screwed as much as Judge on those low strike calls so he has every right to complain. Kaybli, there does seem to be evidence that supports this. I wonder if he gets friendly calls on high strikes? Don't know if anyone has ever analyzed it from that angle, but it would make sense. His size makes for an unusual strike zone, which should be the case for high strikes as well. |
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Post by kaybli on May 6, 2024 13:17:53 GMT -5
One thing that may impact this is the emphasis on catchers stealing strikes. I think this is a stat that might even be tracked? Catcher Framing Stats:
Trevino is always near the top of these.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 6, 2024 13:24:43 GMT -5
One thing that may impact this is the emphasis on catchers stealing strikes. I think this is a stat that might even be tracked? Catcher Framing Stats:
Trevino is always near the top of these.
Evidently this is somthing he's teaching Wells who was also high on the list. |
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Post by Max on May 6, 2024 14:53:34 GMT -5
I don't know if we complain more than other teams but I know no player gets screwed as much as Judge on those low strike calls so he has every right to complain. Kaybli, there does seem to be evidence that supports this. Years of evidence. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 6, 2024 15:04:13 GMT -5
Probably.
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Post by azbob643 on May 6, 2024 15:06:15 GMT -5
Kaybli, there does seem to be evidence that supports this. Years of evidence. But...some actually believe it's been intentional. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 6, 2024 15:06:39 GMT -5
I may have raised this question before but was wondering if it seems to anyone that the Yankees seem to question ball/strike calls more frequently than most teams. There is a part of me that finds this understandable, if indeed true, because Umps in todays game make a lot of questionable calls or at least with modern technology they are easier to see and report on. I do think the Yankees seem to question calls more than other teams but I have no emperical data to support my feeling. I've wondered at times if players are taking a page from Soto who does seem to regularly question calls. I can understand the frustration a hitter must feel when the bat is taken out of his hands, especially in a key situation, by a bad strike call. But far too often it seems like our guys are jawing about pitches that are indeed strikes. Does anyone feel this may impact how Umpires call the game against us? Off day, slow news day so I thought this might be a good discussion as I am really curious if anyone else has noticed this or if I am once again caught offbase. IMO, the uproar over “bad umpiring” is overblown. Your point re today’s technology making “bad” calls easier for fans to see is valid. We’re talking a fraction of an inch on pitches just hitting/missing the strike zone. Most pitchers today throw in the 90’s with movement, so it shouldn’t be too difficult to understand why an ump can “miss” a call on close pitches. That’s not to say there aren’t egregious calls, but those are few and far between, which is why we see them highlighted and reported. Man bites dog. Most of the time this is right, but occasionally, we do see a game where the ump will have a strike zone early in the game giving an extra 2-3 inches inside/outside, and then change to a tighter zone later on in the game. Sometimes, it's the opposite; a tight K zone early, and a wide strike zone late. That 2nd one gets the most criticism from hitters/managers, because it takes away rallies in high leverage situations. |
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Post by azbob643 on May 6, 2024 15:08:04 GMT -5
Most of the time this is right, but occasionally, we do see a game where the ump will have a strike zone early in the giving an extra 2-3 inches inside/outside, and then change to a tighter zone in the game. Sometimes, it's the same; a tight K zone early, and a wide strike zone late. That 2nd one gets the most ciriticism from hitters/managers, because it takes away rallies in high leverage situations/ Of course. What any hitter wants is consistency... |
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