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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 6, 2024 15:11:48 GMT -5
But...some actually believe it's been intentional. I don't believe it is intentional but most MLB Umps have to be aware this is happening. You would think they would try to make some adjustment but I guess it is difficult to do. |
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Post by azbob643 on May 6, 2024 15:29:43 GMT -5
But...some actually believe it's been intentional. I don't believe it is intentional but most MLB Umps have to be aware this is happening. You would think they would try to make some adjustment but I guess it is difficult to do. I think umps are aware...in fact I'd be surprised if it hasn't been a topic of discussion among them and the league. Seems to me those calls were made much more frequently early on. Still made occasionally, but not as often. That said, he's not the only tall player in the league...Stanton is 1" "shorter" at 6'6". I haven't seen any complaints re that call being made against him...maybe because he swings at it, and pitches even farther off the plate. |
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Post by inger on May 6, 2024 17:40:26 GMT -5
Catcher Framing Stats:
Trevino is always near the top of these.
Evidently this is somthing he's teaching Wells who was also high on the list. All very nice, but if the sport goes to electronic umpire that skillset will no longer be needed… |
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Post by bumper on May 6, 2024 23:29:26 GMT -5
One thing that may impact this is the emphasis on catchers stealing strikes. I think this is a stat that might even be tracked? I'd be tempted if I were an Ump to tell the catchers if you move the glove on a close pitch it's going to be called a ball. trevino was on mlb today (monday) talking this about this amongst other things. they posted a stat that shows he's been the #1 pitcher framer since 2022 (when he became a yankee). as long as it still matters, i'm glad he's on my team and is highly skilled at it.
then you have umpire scouting reports - pitcher friendly, hitter friendly, inside, outside, low, high ...
to me (as you know) this all BS. i want the calls right - all the calls. if we can get them right, then we should get them right. no more subjectivity, catcher gymnastics, umpire report cards, etc. as has been mentioned, it's becoming increasingly difficult for the umps between the speed and the movement of the pitches. so let's help them out.
if the pitches are called right, then as you said, then it becomes consistent. the pitchers know what a strike is, the batters, the managers, the broadcasters, the television audience - everyone knows what a strike is. and it's always the same.
i have no "sentimental attachment" to umpires calling balls & strikes. if we have the technology to get it right, then let's stop getting it wrong. time to move on. ultimately the game for be better for it.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 7, 2024 7:42:49 GMT -5
Wasn't it Samuel Clemons who said "everyone complains about the Umps, but no one does anything about it"?  |
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Post by inger on May 7, 2024 9:15:07 GMT -5
Wasn't it Samuel Clemons who said "everyone complains about the Umps, but no one does anything about it"? Something like that… 😂 |
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Post by bomberhojoe on May 7, 2024 10:36:34 GMT -5
Kaybli, there does seem to be evidence that supports this. Years of evidence. I'll add my 2 cents (probably not even worth that) to this discussion. Seems to me most umpires will raise the top of the zone depending on the stature of the hitter but maintain the bottom at the same place regardless. So, someone like the elf in Houston gets a huge break as compared to guys like Judge and Stanton. |
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Post by azbob643 on May 7, 2024 10:36:52 GMT -5
One thing that may impact this is the emphasis on catchers stealing strikes. I think this is a stat that might even be tracked? I'd be tempted if I were an Ump to tell the catchers if you move the glove on a close pitch it's going to be called a ball. trevino was on mlb today (monday) talking this about this amongst other things. they posted a stat that shows he's been the #1 pitcher framer since 2022 (when he became a yankee). as long as it still matters, i'm glad he's on my team and is highly skilled at it.
then you have umpire scouting reports - pitcher friendly, hitter friendly, inside, outside, low, high ...
to me (as you know) this all BS. i want the calls right - all the calls. if we can get them right, then we should get them right. no more subjectivity, catcher gymnastics, umpire report cards, etc. as has been mentioned, it's becoming increasingly difficult for the umps between the speed and the movement of the pitches. so let's help them out.
if the pitches are called right, then as you said, then it becomes consistent. the pitchers know what a strike is, the batters, the managers, the broadcasters, the television audience - everyone knows what a strike is. and it's always the same.
i have no "sentimental attachment" to umpires calling balls & strikes. if we have the technology to get it right, then let's stop getting it wrong. time to move on. ultimately the game for be better for it.
Not a fan of pitch challenges, but I'd welcome robo-umps. |
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Post by inger on May 7, 2024 11:39:36 GMT -5
Slightly off the theme of this topic, but Judge and Soto each have 26 walks. Despite that, to me I see Soto as being selective at the plate and Judge seems to be chasing pitches. Just an observation …
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Post by inger on May 7, 2024 11:40:55 GMT -5
trevino was on mlb today (monday) talking this about this amongst other things. they posted a stat that shows he's been the #1 pitcher framer since 2022 (when he became a yankee). as long as it still matters, i'm glad he's on my team and is highly skilled at it.
then you have umpire scouting reports - pitcher friendly, hitter friendly, inside, outside, low, high ...
to me (as you know) this all BS. i want the calls right - all the calls. if we can get them right, then we should get them right. no more subjectivity, catcher gymnastics, umpire report cards, etc. as has been mentioned, it's becoming increasingly difficult for the umps between the speed and the movement of the pitches. so let's help them out.
if the pitches are called right, then as you said, then it becomes consistent. the pitchers know what a strike is, the batters, the managers, the broadcasters, the television audience - everyone knows what a strike is. and it's always the same.
i have no "sentimental attachment" to umpires calling balls & strikes. if we have the technology to get it right, then let's stop getting it wrong. time to move on. ultimately the game for be better for it.
Not a fan of pitch challenges, but I'd welcome robo-umps. The pitch clock goes into play to sped the game up. Too many challenges would slow it back down… |
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Post by bumper on May 7, 2024 12:46:38 GMT -5
trevino was on mlb today (monday) talking this about this amongst other things. they posted a stat that shows he's been the #1 pitcher framer since 2022 (when he became a yankee). as long as it still matters, i'm glad he's on my team and is highly skilled at it.
then you have umpire scouting reports - pitcher friendly, hitter friendly, inside, outside, low, high ...
to me (as you know) this all BS. i want the calls right - all the calls. if we can get them right, then we should get them right. no more subjectivity, catcher gymnastics, umpire report cards, etc. as has been mentioned, it's becoming increasingly difficult for the umps between the speed and the movement of the pitches. so let's help them out.
if the pitches are called right, then as you said, then it becomes consistent. the pitchers know what a strike is, the batters, the managers, the broadcasters, the television audience - everyone knows what a strike is. and it's always the same.
i have no "sentimental attachment" to umpires calling balls & strikes. if we have the technology to get it right, then let's stop getting it wrong. time to move on. ultimately the game for be better for it.
Not a fan of pitch challenges, but I'd welcome robo-umps. agree. see no reason to go halfway, just go all in on it. home ump relays the robo call, calls swings & misses, foul balls and plays at the plate. done.
my sense however is that because it's such a big change, they'll go w the challenge system at least to start and see how that goes. if it goes w/o too much disruption to the flow of the game (which i doubt), they'll keep it. but yeah, if the technology's there, go all the way. |
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Post by azbob643 on May 7, 2024 12:54:56 GMT -5
Not a fan of pitch challenges, but I'd welcome robo-umps. The pitch clock goes into play to sped the game up. Too many challenges would slow it back down… The pitch challenge has been used during some AZFL & minor leagues, and apparently hasn't slowed the game down...much. The challenge has to be called for within 2 seconds of the pitch, and the process takes approx. 30 seconds. Each team starts the game with 3 challenges, and just like challenges on safe/out calls a team keeps its challenges if successful, loses if unsuccessful. Still...I'm not thrilled with the way it interrupts the flow of the game. I'd much rather see robo-umps. As for the strike zone box we see on TV...I think we can accept its accuracy as to the width of the plate, but how accurate is it top to bottom, which obviously changes with each batter? Is that something that's pre-programmed for every hitter, or automatically adjusts when the hitter gets into the box? |
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Post by inger on May 7, 2024 14:07:31 GMT -5
The pitch clock goes into play to sped the game up. Too many challenges would slow it back down… The pitch challenge has been used during some AZFL & minor leagues, and apparently hasn't slowed the game down...much. The challenge has to be called for within 2 seconds of the pitch, and the process takes approx. 30 seconds. Each team starts the game with 3 challenges, and just like challenges on safe/out calls a team keeps its challenges if successful, loses if unsuccessful. Still...I'm not thrilled with the way it interrupts the flow of the game. I'd much rather see robo-umps. As for the strike zone box we see on TV...I think we can accept its accuracy as to the width of the plate, but how accurate is it top to bottom, which obviously changes with each batter? Is that something that's pre-programmed for every hitter, or automatically adjusts when the hitter gets into the box? I don’t think it adjusts, but I have wondered the same… |
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Post by Max on May 7, 2024 14:10:29 GMT -5
One thing that may impact this is the emphasis on catchers stealing strikes. I think this is a stat that might even be tracked? I'd be tempted if I were an Ump to tell the catchers if you move the glove on a close pitch it's going to be called a ball. trevino was on mlb today (monday) talking this about this amongst other things. they posted a stat that shows he's been the #1 pitcher framer since 2022 (when he became a yankee). as long as it still matters, i'm glad he's on my team and is highly skilled at it.
then you have umpire scouting reports - pitcher friendly, hitter friendly, inside, outside, low, high ...
to me (as you know) this all BS. i want the calls right - all the calls. if we can get them right, then we should get them right. no more subjectivity, catcher gymnastics, umpire report cards, etc. as has been mentioned, it's becoming increasingly difficult for the umps between the speed and the movement of the pitches. so let's help them out.
if the pitches are called right, then as you said, then it becomes consistent. the pitchers know what a strike is, the batters, the managers, the broadcasters, the television audience - everyone knows what a strike is. and it's always the same.
i have no "sentimental attachment" to umpires calling balls & strikes. if we have the technology to get it right, then let's stop getting it wrong. time to move on. ultimately the game for be better for it.
Well said. |
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Post by Max on May 7, 2024 14:14:17 GMT -5
Wasn't it Samuel Clemons who said "everyone complains about the Umps, but no one does anything about it"? I'm still trying to figure out who was the better writer, Samuel Clemens or Mark Twain.  |
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