The Political Thread

You know what Chuck, you are right...

The Left isnt for regulating, if not full on silencing of, speech. The Left isnt for repeal of the 2nd amendment. The Left isnt for abandoning the concept of the sovereign nation state. The Left isnt for abolishing the electoral college and the senate; reverting to mob rule. The Left also isnt for legislating from the bench; unless they arent in control of the judiciary in which case they are definitely not for packing the court. The Left isnt for abandoning due process in pursuit of political power. The Left doesnt embrace social justice over blind justice. The Left is not the side that is openly against the one Western democracy in the entire Middle East. The Left isnt advocating for harassing, intimidating, and assaulting public servants that dont agree with them.

The Left most certainly is not for the redistribution of wealth. The Left isnt for a full governmental takeover of the healthcare industry. The Left isnt for abolishing fossil fuels and a takeover of the energy sector to save the planet from climate change. The Left doesnt believe that a society can tax themselves into prosperity. The Left didnt come a hair away from nominating an avowed socialist for the presidency two years ago. The Left isnt lurching further to the Left and closer to socialism by the day...they definitely arent openly embracing socialistic policy. The Left certainly isnt running dozens of avowed socialists in the midterms under the Democrat Party umbrella (not some fringe third party). The head of the Democratic party never said that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a socialist from New York who literally knows nothing and embarrasses herself every time she opens her mouth, is the future of the party.

Progressivism definitely doesnt reject the philosophical principles of the founders and governmental structure established in the Constitution; Woodrow Wilson, one of the forefathers of American Progressivism, definitely did not reject the Constitution as President and consider it an impediment to imposing the Leftist agenda. This did not act as a catalyst for this view (that the Constitution was/is just some outdated document with no merit in the modern world) to be embraced by the mainstream Left. The Left by and large does not embrace the concept of the collective over that of the individual.

But youre right, I just made it all up.

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I don't know who you are labelling as "the Left", but I do know by reading your warped interpretation of your political opponents beliefs that you are on the fringe of the spectrum, and even people that are moderates to the vast majority of us, would be considered Socialists or even worse, Progressives to you. That you arrogantly put your ideals out there as the truth, according to mich, reveals an intolerance bordering on paranoia and unreasonable fear of others. You may believe that you are part of some sort of vanguard bent on protecting what is sacrosanct in the US, like a firebrand religious cult out of the 1952 McCarthy era, but in reality, like all wide eyed ideologues on both sides, you mainly talk to convince yourselves.

Domeme, I don’t even know why you give an obviously sick puppy like Kanye any space. It was an awkward meeting between two zoned out individuals. One looked frightened and the other seemed glad of it. It made the infamous Nixon/Elvis hookup look like two neuro surgeons in comparison. Sort of like: Nixon>Trump + Elvis>Kanye = no brainer. Not that any of them are my idea of how to make correct decisions or inspire others to emulate, but I’d rather hang with Nixon or Elvis any day than the other alternatives.

“Hurricane Michael was made more powerful by the unusually warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico—in the same week scientists released a report saying that we must come together to aggressively transition our economy away from fossil fuels and other carbon pollution to avoid the worst impacts of climate change.” - from Bernie Sanders on Thursday

But Joe, you are just paranoid and concocting conspiracies in your own head. No one is saying these things, especially no mainstream voices on the Left.

I don’t know that we know that the waters have been made warm “in most part” due to human behavior. I do believe human behavior to be a contributing factor. Since each extra degree is complicit to the issue, I still support the reduction in usage of fossil fuels. I don’t support a belief that such a reduction is going to solve any of the earth-warming issues. I do believe the measures we take can slow the process to an unknown degree...

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JUST FOR JOE: YOU might be able to relate to this article...the folks mentioned in this article are PROBABLY all Donald Followers; yes Tequila, you can LAUGH.

-10-14-18: www.cbsnews.com/news/the-flat-earth-movement-a-society-of-disbelievers-in-scientific-fact/
If you picture Earth as a ball spinning through space. the folks who recently gathered at a park in Arcadia, California, are eager to argue: you're wrong! Earth is actually "flatter than a pancake," said Nathan Thompson, part of a movement of people who call themselves Flat Earthers.

They insist the Earth is, well, flat.

We're living, these folks say, on a disk floating through space, with a tiny sun hovering just overhead. But what about the Earth's curvature? "I don't know. No one's ever seen it," said one man.

"The perimeter of Flat Earth is a wall of ice," said Thompson.

"That's what's holding in the ocean?" asked correspondent Brook Silva-Braga.

"That's what's containing everything," he said.

And what's underneath? "Well, you know, we haven't dug that deep," said a Flat Earther named Rene.

Netta Hagler, who arranged the meet-up of the Flat Earthers, questioned the fact that Earth is spinning through space at 1,000 miles per hour. "But we can't feel it. I don't believe I'm spinning right now. No," said Hagler.

Patricia Steere, who is one of what you might call the "stars" of today's Flat Earth movement (which mostly orbits around YouTube), told Silva-Braga, "Probably most people who hear of it will laugh at it, think we're idiots. But we're not idiots; we're intelligent people from all walks of life and all ages."

Flat Earthers have brought levels onto planes (to prove they are flying level), and zoomed in on the moon and "found" clouds supposedly drifting behind it. "Moon is only a few miles up," said one Flat Earth YouTuber. "We've been lied to on such a massive scale!"

Steere agreed to play a game of "20 Questions: Cosmic Edition" with Silva-Braga.

Photos of the Earth from space? "Completely and utterly false," she said.

Is the sun 93 million miles away? "No, the sun is not as far away as we've been told, nor is the moon. They're probably about the same size."

Pictures of astronauts floating around on the space station? "Completely fake. Harnesses, wires."

Did we really go to the moon? "No. We didn't go to the moon," said Steere. "And we don't have a rover on Mars. And we didn't do a fly-by of Pluto. We've never been to space. Period. End of."

In short, Flat Earthers don't believe much of anything unless they see it for themselves. They believe NASA is just part of a broad conspiracy.

According to Steere, "It's a giant game of chess. We, all of us in humanity, are the pawns. Part of the whole Flat Earth thing is keeping us locked down, not knowledgeable about who we are, who we really are as people, and what we're capable of."

National security expert Tom Nichols, who teaches at the Harvard Extension School, takes a dim view of Flat Earth. He told Silva-Braga he thinks something new is happening: "People have really become obsessed with the idea that, if it's not part of their direct experience, it can't be true.