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Post by kaybli on Mar 22, 2021 23:45:02 GMT -5
Much the same here, Dome. We’ve been friends a long time and I guess my statement led to this as much as anything else that may have happened. I hope you stick around. In retrospect I should have just had the will power to not look, but this subject was one that we both have a passion for. Same goal, different opinions on how to get there. I look forward to seeing you on the baseball threads. There, we usually at least come close to agreeing. 😎 Agreement shouldn’t matter. Discussion should be richer and more enlightened than shallow validation or echo chambers. Problems arise when opinions are dismissed by categorization of the individual expressing them. It reduces people to objects, easily discarded. Chuck grew tired of Joe’s leftists and liars implications and accusations, and I don’t blame him. The other extreme of hatred/racism allusions are just as frustrating. This is what I tried to highlight in my post a couple days ago: “There is a current cultural perseveration on identity and group allegiance that is breeding contempt and divisiveness, one person at a time. I suspect most people (irrespective of race) prefer to be defined individually by who they are, not by the immutable characteristics of their birth, and believe in the reciprocity of that value.“Kaybli was correct, in my estimation, of preserving this thread to ensure other baseball and sports related threads remained true to those topics. If one wished to make a comment, ask a question, or start a discussion on a political subject, there was a spot for it - easily accessed, easily avoided. Personally, I enjoy people who are fervent in their beliefs and stances, but not at the expense of other voices, especially those needing to think out loud and question to find their own. I don’t have all the answers, but there is a reason freedom of speech is the first amendment in the bill of rights, and that right belongs to others as well as ourselves and includes the right to hear and to listen to views in opposition and de novo or foreign to our ear. However, we should be able to agree to rules of conversational conduct. Ad hominem remarks and negative implications and accusations can be avoided and rightfully and fairly moderated and excised within platforms like this one. You're right. It would be nice to have nuanced argument with no personal attacks or hurt feelings, but in reality with politics it just doesn't happen. Everything becomes personal and people lose their cool. I wanted to take a mostly hands off approach. Once you start moderating one person its a slippery slope of deciding what is appropriate and what is not. Unfortunately though, my hands off approach led to poster after poster leaving or telling me they were upset with another poster's content. And the focus of the forum was getting away from what we are all here for.
So moving forward, let's put our political differences behind us. We're all Yankee fans after all so let's unite behind that. By opening of the season I'm going to again send invites to people that have left to try to increase participation. That was a factor behind getting rid of the politics as well. Even if no one comes back though, I will be happy talking baseball and shooting the crap with everyone here. Here's to an enjoyable upcoming season!
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 23, 2021 1:22:11 GMT -5
Agreement shouldn’t matter. Discussion should be richer and more enlightened than shallow validation or echo chambers. Problems arise when opinions are dismissed by categorization of the individual expressing them. It reduces people to objects, easily discarded. Chuck grew tired of Joe’s leftists and liars implications and accusations, and I don’t blame him. The other extreme of hatred/racism allusions are just as frustrating. This is what I tried to highlight in my post a couple days ago: “There is a current cultural perseveration on identity and group allegiance that is breeding contempt and divisiveness, one person at a time. I suspect most people (irrespective of race) prefer to be defined individually by who they are, not by the immutable characteristics of their birth, and believe in the reciprocity of that value.“Kaybli was correct, in my estimation, of preserving this thread to ensure other baseball and sports related threads remained true to those topics. If one wished to make a comment, ask a question, or start a discussion on a political subject, there was a spot for it - easily accessed, easily avoided. Personally, I enjoy people who are fervent in their beliefs and stances, but not at the expense of other voices, especially those needing to think out loud and question to find their own. I don’t have all the answers, but there is a reason freedom of speech is the first amendment in the bill of rights, and that right belongs to others as well as ourselves and includes the right to hear and to listen to views in opposition and de novo or foreign to our ear. However, we should be able to agree to rules of conversational conduct. Ad hominem remarks and negative implications and accusations can be avoided and rightfully and fairly moderated and excised within platforms like this one. You're right. It would be nice to have nuanced argument with no personal attacks or hurt feelings, but in reality with politics it just doesn't happen. Everything becomes personal and people lose their cool. I wanted to take a mostly hands off approach. Once you start moderating one person its a slippery slope of deciding what is appropriate and what is not. Unfortunately though, my hands off approach led to poster after poster leaving or telling me they were upset with another poster's content. And the focus of the forum was getting away from what we are all here for.
So moving forward, let's put our political differences behind us. We're all Yankee fans after all so let's unite behind that. By opening of the season I'm going to again send invites to people that have left to try to increase participation. That was a factor behind getting rid of the politics as well. Even if no one comes back though, I will be happy talking baseball and shooting the crap with everyone here. Here's to an enjoyable upcoming season!
Very true. Nonetheless, you’ve done a wonderful job as moderator at HeAmyHa, moderating in moderation with always more than a modicum of civility and respect. |
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Post by kaybli on Mar 23, 2021 1:31:59 GMT -5
You're right. It would be nice to have nuanced argument with no personal attacks or hurt feelings, but in reality with politics it just doesn't happen. Everything becomes personal and people lose their cool. I wanted to take a mostly hands off approach. Once you start moderating one person its a slippery slope of deciding what is appropriate and what is not. Unfortunately though, my hands off approach led to poster after poster leaving or telling me they were upset with another poster's content. And the focus of the forum was getting away from what we are all here for.
So moving forward, let's put our political differences behind us. We're all Yankee fans after all so let's unite behind that. By opening of the season I'm going to again send invites to people that have left to try to increase participation. That was a factor behind getting rid of the politics as well. Even if no one comes back though, I will be happy talking baseball and shooting the crap with everyone here. Here's to an enjoyable upcoming season!
Very true. Nonetheless, you’ve done a wonderful job as moderator at HeAmyHa, moderating in moderation with always more than a modicum of civility and respect. Thank you, rizzuto. Your praise means a lot to me. I try to be kind and fair to everybody. I truly love all my buddies here. Have known many of you for years even decades now! |
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Post by inger on Mar 23, 2021 6:53:57 GMT -5
Agreement shouldn’t matter. Discussion should be richer and more enlightened than shallow validation or echo chambers. Problems arise when opinions are dismissed by categorization of the individual expressing them. It reduces people to objects, easily discarded. Chuck grew tired of Joe’s leftists and liars implications and accusations, and I don’t blame him. The other extreme of hatred/racism allusions are just as frustrating. This is what I tried to highlight in my post a couple days ago: “There is a current cultural perseveration on identity and group allegiance that is breeding contempt and divisiveness, one person at a time. I suspect most people (irrespective of race) prefer to be defined individually by who they are, not by the immutable characteristics of their birth, and believe in the reciprocity of that value.“Kaybli was correct, in my estimation, of preserving this thread to ensure other baseball and sports related threads remained true to those topics. If one wished to make a comment, ask a question, or start a discussion on a political subject, there was a spot for it - easily accessed, easily avoided. Personally, I enjoy people who are fervent in their beliefs and stances, but not at the expense of other voices, especially those needing to think out loud and question to find their own. I don’t have all the answers, but there is a reason freedom of speech is the first amendment in the bill of rights, and that right belongs to others as well as ourselves and includes the right to hear and to listen to views in opposition and de novo or foreign to our ear. However, we should be able to agree to rules of conversational conduct. Ad hominem remarks and negative implications and accusations can be avoided and rightfully and fairly moderated and excised within platforms like this one. You're right. It would be nice to have nuanced argument with no personal attacks or hurt feelings, but in reality with politics it just doesn't happen. Everything becomes personal and people lose their cool. I wanted to take a mostly hands off approach. Once you start moderating one person its a slippery slope of deciding what is appropriate and what is not. Unfortunately though, my hands off approach led to poster after poster leaving or telling me they were upset with another poster's content. And the focus of the forum was getting away from what we are all here for.
So moving forward, let's put our political differences behind us. We're all Yankee fans after all so let's unite behind that. By opening of the season I'm going to again send invites to people that have left to try to increase participation. That was a factor behind getting rid of the politics as well. Even if no one comes back though, I will be happy talking baseball and shooting the crap with everyone here. Here's to an enjoyable upcoming season!
Yes. I vote for this and simply hope the platform isn’t slanted...oops! ... it takes time... 😂 |
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