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Post by inger on Oct 6, 2018 0:37:32 GMT -5
Well stated. 107 wins vs. 100. 10-9 face to face. Team concept vs. a collection of excellent individual players. It need not be that way moving forward... Great teams have a varied line up and approach that allows for daily strategy, not some dumbass lineup juggling every day because almost everybody is a one-trick pony...that’s available to the Yankees if we’re going loosen the purse strings and get serious about having the best team again... I am honestly surprised the Yankee players are not more fatigued with how much extra stress they put on themselves by faltering in the standings for a month then having to step on the pedal the last week or 2 just to get here. Thank goodness that genius manager Boone rested them about 30% of the time, especially after exceptional days at the plate...and that he got Walker going so he could ride the bench for the post season... |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 6, 2018 0:37:56 GMT -5
Alright, that was disheartening. Definitely could have stolen one there. 10 hits and 5 walks should equal more than 4 runs. 1 of 7 with RISP was the back breaker. What worried me most were Stanton's at bats. He looked terrible out there. And losing Hicks to the stupid hamstring injury. Brett will have to step up in a big way. We can still do this. Despite our starter going only 2 innings and Stanton striking out 4 times, we still only lost by one. Tanaka will have a strong game tomorrow and we will even up the series! Reminds me a lot of the Houston ALCS Game 1 I felt pretty confident in the team even though they lost they had ample chances and one play going the other way and they beat verlander in that game. This time though there is no Verlander type pitcher waiting for us a second time. Sale is very good, but this isnt the White Sox sale that throws CG's. Verlander on the other hand can put a CG 9 inning shutout against the yankees very easily for whatever reason. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 6, 2018 0:40:16 GMT -5
I think inger is just saying Boston is a better all around team. I'm not conceding that. Boston's lineup is very top heavy and they have a weak underbelly of the bullpen. If our lineup plays anywhere near close to potential we can put up runs in a hurry. Severino, Happ, Tanaka are no joke at the top of the rotation. We have maybe 5 closer type pitchers in the bullpen. Thats the spirit Kaybli ! Honestly this game should have been won. Those couple bad ABS by Stanton and Torres and then Stanton again were huge rally killers. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 6, 2018 0:41:55 GMT -5
I think inger is just saying Boston is a better all around team. Tough to argue with that, but that doesn’t mean the Yanks can’t win this series. Well stated. 107 wins vs. 100. 10-9 face to face. Team concept vs. a collection of excellent individual players. It need not be that way moving forward... Great teams have a varied line up and approach that allows for daily strategy, not some dumbass lineup juggling every day because almost everybody is a one-trick pony...that’s available to the Yankees if we’re going loosen the purse strings and get serious about having the best team again... Boston has a Team concept while the Yankees are just a collection of excellent individual players? Where did you get that from? Stop hyping up the Red Sox so much, inger. And we're not a one trick pony team. We have hitters who can make contact like Didi, Andujar, and Torres just to name a few. We have power and patience. There's nothing wrong with hitting a lot of HRs either. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 6, 2018 0:43:52 GMT -5
I'm not conceding that. Boston's lineup is very top heavy and they have a weak underbelly of the bullpen. If our lineup plays anywhere near close to potential we can put up runs in a hurry. Severino, Happ, Tanaka are no joke at the top of the rotation. We have maybe 5 closer type pitchers in the bullpen. Thats the spirit Kaybli ! Honestly this game should have been won. Those couple bad ABS by Stanton and Torres and then Stanton again were huge rally killers. Stanton definitely has to pick it up. We'll get em tomorrow!  |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 6, 2018 2:16:21 GMT -5
Well stated. 107 wins vs. 100. 10-9 face to face. Team concept vs. a collection of excellent individual players. It need not be that way moving forward... Great teams have a varied line up and approach that allows for daily strategy, not some dumbass lineup juggling every day because almost everybody is a one-trick pony...that’s available to the Yankees if we’re going loosen the purse strings and get serious about having the best team again... Boston has a Team concept while the Yankees are just a collection of excellent individual players? Where did you get that from? Stop hyping up the Red Sox so much, inger. And we're not a one trick pony team. We have hitters who can make contact like Didi, Andujar, and Torres just to name a few. We have power and patience. There's nothing wrong with hitting a lot of HRs either. Thats basically what Oakland is lol. They have a bunch of one-trick ponies. Mccuthen made this team complete IMO his patience at the plate is what we have been needing at the top of our order a while. I honestly thought the approach tonight MOSTLY was very good hate to repeat myself, but this game was lost on honestly the 2 stanton ABS and the Torres AB where they didn't have good approaches. The bullpen is for real when you have no Kahnles, Losagia's and Cessas in it. Like you said they literally have 5 closers. 7 IP and no runs tonight in the WC game nothing outside of the Davis HR. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 6, 2018 2:42:52 GMT -5
Boston has a Team concept while the Yankees are just a collection of excellent individual players? Where did you get that from? Stop hyping up the Red Sox so much, inger. And we're not a one trick pony team. We have hitters who can make contact like Didi, Andujar, and Torres just to name a few. We have power and patience. There's nothing wrong with hitting a lot of HRs either. Thats basically what Oakland is lol. They have a bunch of one-trick ponies. Mccuthen made this team complete IMO his patience at the plate is what we have been needing at the top of our order a while. I honestly thought the approach tonight MOSTLY was very good hate to repeat myself, but this game was lost on honestly the 2 stanton ABS and the Torres AB where they didn't have good approaches. The bullpen is for real when you have no Kahnles, Losagia's and Cessas in it. Like you said they literally have 5 closers. 7 IP and no runs tonight in the WC game nothing outside of the Davis HR. I'm just crossing my fingers that Hicks will be able to come back Monday for Game 3 and won't have to be put on the shelf for the rest of this series and the ALCS. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 6, 2018 2:53:56 GMT -5
Thats basically what Oakland is lol. They have a bunch of one-trick ponies. Mccuthen made this team complete IMO his patience at the plate is what we have been needing at the top of our order a while. I honestly thought the approach tonight MOSTLY was very good hate to repeat myself, but this game was lost on honestly the 2 stanton ABS and the Torres AB where they didn't have good approaches. The bullpen is for real when you have no Kahnles, Losagia's and Cessas in it. Like you said they literally have 5 closers. 7 IP and no runs tonight in the WC game nothing outside of the Davis HR. I'm just crossing my fingers that Hicks will be able to come back Monday for Game 3 and won't have to be put on the shelf for the rest of this series and the ALCS. Ugh yea I hate that injury rule |
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Post by domeplease on Oct 6, 2018 8:26:57 GMT -5
When you compare the team construction of the Red Sox to that of the Yankees, it’s not even close. The Red Sox are more athletic, better in the field, more versatile, and make more contact. They fulfill roles more completely and are more aggressive. Thankfully the Yankee bull pen and power close some of the gap. They have strong defense as an obvious priority behind the plate, and have remained true to an ancient strategy of keeping a strong starting rotation at the top of their desires. That said, we’re not helpless...I’d like to change some of the strategy going forward. To do that, we’ll need different players. Some bold and perhaps unpopular deals will need to be struck...or we’ll be rooting for the same inconsistent strategies next year...I’m not particularly pleased about the team HR record, nor the first team with 20+ HR in all nine batting order positions... Go to the Machado/Harper thread to discuss!!! INGER: I think you NAILED it. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 6, 2018 9:47:42 GMT -5
When you compare the team construction of the Red Sox to that of the Yankees, it’s not even close. The Red Sox are more athletic, better in the field, more versatile, and make more contact. They fulfill roles more completely and are more aggressive. Thankfully the Yankee bull pen and power close some of the gap. They have strong defense as an obvious priority behind the plate, and have remained true to an ancient strategy of keeping a strong starting rotation at the top of their desires. That said, we’re not helpless...I’d like to change some of the strategy going forward. To do that, we’ll need different players. Some bold and perhaps unpopular deals will need to be struck...or we’ll be rooting for the same inconsistent strategies next year...I’m not particularly pleased about the team HR record, nor the first team with 20+ HR in all nine batting order positions... Go to the Machado/Harper thread to discuss!!! The biggest difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox is that they signed Martinez and we traded for Stanton. This is the type of move we've seen before with the Yanks, going for the biggest name who they can market and hype on YES, while the Red Sox with Martinez and the Brewers, with Yelich, went with the better player. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 6, 2018 9:49:04 GMT -5
When you compare the team construction of the Red Sox to that of the Yankees, it’s not even close. The Red Sox are more athletic, better in the field, more versatile, and make more contact. They fulfill roles more completely and are more aggressive. Thankfully the Yankee bull pen and power close some of the gap. They have strong defense as an obvious priority behind the plate, and have remained true to an ancient strategy of keeping a strong starting rotation at the top of their desires. That said, we’re not helpless...I’d like to change some of the strategy going forward. To do that, we’ll need different players. Some bold and perhaps unpopular deals will need to be struck...or we’ll be rooting for the same inconsistent strategies next year...I’m not particularly pleased about the team HR record, nor the first team with 20+ HR in all nine batting order positions... Go to the Machado/Harper thread to discuss!!! INGER: I think you NAILED it. You guys are nuts. You would think they lost 20-0 or only lost 5-4 cause they hit a grand slam in the 9th with 2 outs. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 6, 2018 9:52:12 GMT -5
When you compare the team construction of the Red Sox to that of the Yankees, it’s not even close. The Red Sox are more athletic, better in the field, more versatile, and make more contact. They fulfill roles more completely and are more aggressive. Thankfully the Yankee bull pen and power close some of the gap. They have strong defense as an obvious priority behind the plate, and have remained true to an ancient strategy of keeping a strong starting rotation at the top of their desires. That said, we’re not helpless...I’d like to change some of the strategy going forward. To do that, we’ll need different players. Some bold and perhaps unpopular deals will need to be struck...or we’ll be rooting for the same inconsistent strategies next year...I’m not particularly pleased about the team HR record, nor the first team with 20+ HR in all nine batting order positions... Go to the Machado/Harper thread to discuss!!! The biggest difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox is that they signed Martinez and we traded for Stanton. This is the type of move we've seen before with the Yanks, going for the biggest name who they can market and hype on YES, while the Red Sox with Martinez and the Brewers, with Yelich, went with the better player. I think they figured since they were 1 game away from the World Series Stanton pushed them over the top, but I do agree that Martinez and Yelich are better all-around players that have contact & power. I mean theres nothing bad about Stantons numbers this year, but they are def not the MVP numbers from Miami. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 6, 2018 10:11:26 GMT -5
The biggest difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox is that they signed Martinez and we traded for Stanton. This is the type of move we've seen before with the Yanks, going for the biggest name who they can market and hype on YES, while the Red Sox with Martinez and the Brewers, with Yelich, went with the better player. I think they figured since they were 1 game away from the World Series Stanton pushed them over the top, but I do agree that Martinez and Yelich are better all-around players that have contact & power. I mean theres nothing bad about Stantons numbers this year, but they are def not the MVP numbers from Miami. Stanton's a good player and teammate, who can hit homers and draw walks, but his numbers this year are in line with his career averages, he's probably not going to repeat his 2017 season. The problems is the Yanks have too many of these HR/Walk guys with lower batting averages that can't get that big two out hit that you sometimes need to win a close ballgame. As much as the advance metrics guys look down at batting average, it's nice to have some .300 hitters sprinkled in your lineup with the power/walk hitters. I do think Torres and Andujar will be high average guys and Sanchez can rebound to join Judge as a 280+ hitter with a lot of power and walks. The future is still bright. |
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Post by inger on Oct 6, 2018 12:01:02 GMT -5
INGER: I think you NAILED it. You guys are nuts. You would think they lost 20-0 or only lost 5-4 cause they hit a grand slam in the 9th with 2 outs. As to the first part of your statement, of course you are absolutely right. Both of us are definitely nuts and proud of it. As for the rest, the statement is a theme I've been preaching before this one game was played, and if we had WON the game 20-0 I would still have the same concerns moving forward...Win this series or not, win the AL pennant or not, and win the World Series or not, I feel we need change... |
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Post by inger on Oct 6, 2018 12:08:54 GMT -5
I think they figured since they were 1 game away from the World Series Stanton pushed them over the top, but I do agree that Martinez and Yelich are better all-around players that have contact & power. I mean theres nothing bad about Stantons numbers this year, but they are def not the MVP numbers from Miami. Stanton's a good player and teammate, who can hit homers and draw walks, but his numbers this year are in line with his career averages, he's probably not going to repeat his 2017 season. The problems is the Yanks have too many of these HR/Walk guys with lower batting averages that can't get that big two out hit that you sometimes need to win a close ballgame. As much as the advance metrics guys look down at batting average, it's nice to have some .300 hitters sprinkled in your lineup with the power/walk hitters. I do think Torres and Andujar will be high average guys and Sanchez can rebound to join Judge as a 280+ hitter with a lot of power and walks. The future is still bright. Look Chi is a nut, too... Welcome to the nutjob club, Chi!!! (: I've said it for a long time...I'd much rather have a guy with a .320 BA and a 1.000 OPS than a guy with a .260 BA and a 1.000. A walk is NOT as good as a hit. I like walks, and have nothing against them, but there is nothing better than a well struck baseball in a big spot in the game...It can go over the wall, or it can find a gap. It can drop in, flare in, dribble through, find a hole or anything it wants to do. This crap of hitters learning to love the sound of a "Thwack" in the catcher's mitt because, "Oh well, I got a good swing on that one" is for the birds. And we must find a way to advance base runners ourselves, while minimizing our opponents ability to do so. Passed balls, wild pitches, not holding base runners, throwing the ball away is all bullshit little league crap... |
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