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Post by domeplease on Dec 21, 2018 10:06:21 GMT -5
Below is my list of PGA Golfers that I expect (some of them) to do great this year. It is also my list for betting (not all; but it gives me options), depending on the Event, Course, Weather, etc.
Not in Priority Order: DeChambeau Finau Fleetwood Grillo Kizzire Koepka List Molinari Na Noren Rahm Rose Schauffele Stenson Woodland Woods
***Tequila has APPROVED this list.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Dec 21, 2018 10:45:04 GMT -5
Good picks DoMe. I joined this DraftKings golf league for this year so going to have to do a bunch of research of my own.
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 21, 2018 16:58:59 GMT -5
Good list, Dome. I am ready for the real PGA season to start again with the Hawaiian tournaments and then the familiar old refrain of Torrey Pines and Riviera and Pebble Beach and Palm Springs and Phoenix, etc.
I am guessing you left out Dustin and Justin and Rory and Jordan because we take it for granted that they will be in the mix? Koepka is moving into that range, and if he has a year anything like last year he is on his way to golf hall of fame status.
I really look for Rahm and Finau and Fleetwood and DeChambeau to continue their march into the elite groupings. Schauffele too. Good pick on Noren, I like his game, as well as his fellow Swede Stenson, who is getting a little old but seems to find a way to get into contention.
I notice Patrick Reed is not on your list. He is one of the few golfers I actively dislike. He makes Manny Machado seem like Mariano Rivera by comparison.
Deservedly, in my view, Ricky Fowler was not included. Talented as he is, he has got to be the most over-hyped golfer on the tour. He is 30 years old and has only four PGA tour wins. That's one less than Billy Horschel, who is only two years older and who nobody this side of Jim Nantz could pick out on the course. Guys younger than Fowler with more tour wins include Hideki Matsuyama (I keep waiting for him to explode, he's still only 26), Koepka, DeChambeau, Reed, Thomas, and of course Spieth and McIlroy.
Dustin Johnson keeps plugging his way up the all-time list. He is 34 years old, and his next win will give him 20. Only 37 golfers in PGA history have that many. If he gets to 25, which you would think he would, only 24 others got to that mark before him.
Anyway, thanks for teeing off the golf stuff for the handful of us here who follow it.
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Post by inger on Dec 21, 2018 17:04:33 GMT -5
I’m guessing that Dome left a few of the very cream of the crop off his betting list because he won’t be able to bet on them with favorable odds...
On the ONE occasion I bet on the horses in my life there was a1:5 that was as sure a bet as anyone could have imagined to win his (her?) particular race. I set the bet out and watched it win... Not caring to cash a ticket smaller than my bet...
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 21, 2018 20:11:22 GMT -5
I’m guessing that Dome left a few of the very cream of the crop off his betting list because he won’t be able to bet on them with favorable odds... On the ONE occasion I bet on the horses in my life there was a1:5 that was as sure a bet as anyone could have imagined to win his (her?) particular race. I set the bet out and watched it win... Not caring to cash a ticket smaller than my bet... Inger, I don't know if you remember Brandywine Raceway in DE from your days in MD. A cousin of mine used to own and train harness-racing horses, so I did get into the habit of playing the ponies. It's been many decades since I last placed a bet on a horse race. Harness racing is about as up and up as professional wrestling as far as I can tell. Other than low-stakes March Madness pools and an occasional friendly office pool for major golf tournaments, I never put any money on sports. There are plenty of other options for throwing away cash. |
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Post by inger on Dec 21, 2018 21:16:58 GMT -5
I’m guessing that Dome left a few of the very cream of the crop off his betting list because he won’t be able to bet on them with favorable odds... On the ONE occasion I bet on the horses in my life there was a1:5 that was as sure a bet as anyone could have imagined to win his (her?) particular race. I set the bet out and watched it win... Not caring to cash a ticket smaller than my bet... Inger, I don't know if you remember Brandywine Raceway in DE from your days in MD. A cousin of mine used to own and train harness-racing horses, so I did get into the habit of playing the ponies. It's been many decades since I last placed a bet on a horse race. Harness racing is about as up and up as professional wrestling as far as I can tell. Other than low-stakes March Madness pools and an occasional friendly office pool for major golf tournaments, I never put any money on sports. There are plenty of other options for throwing away cash. Brandywine is the only track I ever went to. A friend of mine was always talking about harness racing and I told him I didn’t “get it”. So one day I got under his skin enough that he told me he had a “secret system” that worked so well that he said if I went to the track with him and bet on exactly the horses he told me to all night long that he would guarantee me a minimum $20 profit. I took him up on it. So off to Brandywine we went. He showed me all of the information he had on the first race and assured me that he the winner. I went to the window and placed my meager $2.00 bet. When the horses came out I was quite amused to see that our horse, one “Sure Sal” had a bandaged fetlock. He finished dead last. The next race, I swear this idea true, my buddy asked me what I would do if I was picking the horses and I selected a win, place, and show combination that he scoffed at. So we went to the window and bet on his system again. Believe or not, “my” three horses did come in, and in trifecta order. Only, I didn’t place the bet. We had a complete shutout going that night when I refused to bet on the “sure thing”, a 1-5 favorite. It was the only ticket my buddy cashed all night. I’m sort of grateful that I missed that trifecta. I’ve never been much for betting. Who knows? I may have become an addict that night if I had collected winnings. And if so, those winnings would have surely been more than emptied back into the track’s coffers many times over... * CORRECTION: We set out to go to Brandywine, but for some reason, maybe there was another event in Wilmington that jammed the streets or something... we went to Dover Downs instead...I remembered that after writing the post... |
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Post by domeplease on Dec 22, 2018 11:40:44 GMT -5
Good list, Dome. I am ready for the real PGA season to start again with the Hawaiian tournaments and then the familiar old refrain of Torrey Pines and Riviera and Pebble Beach and Palm Springs and Phoenix, etc. I am guessing you left out Dustin and Justin and Rory and Jordan because we take it for granted that they will be in the mix? Koepka is moving into that range, and if he has a year anything like last year he is on his way to golf hall of fame status. I really look for Rahm and Finau and Fleetwood and DeChambeau to continue their march into the elite groupings. Schauffele too. Good pick on Noren, I like his game, as well as his fellow Swede Stenson, who is getting a little old but seems to find a way to get into contention. I notice Patrick Reed is not on your list. He is one of the few golfers I actively dislike. He makes Manny Machado seem like Mariano Rivera by comparison. Deservedly, in my view, Ricky Fowler was not included. Talented as he is, he has got to be the most over-hyped golfer on the tour. He is 30 years old and has only four PGA tour wins. That's one less than Billy Horschel, who is only two years older and who nobody this side of Jim Nantz could pick out on the course. Guys younger than Fowler with more tour wins include Hideki Matsuyama (I keep waiting for him to explode, he's still only 26), Koepka, DeChambeau, Reed, Thomas, and of course Spieth and McIlroy. Dustin Johnson keeps plugging his way up the all-time list. He is 34 years old, and his next win will give him 20. Only 37 golfers in PGA history have that many. If he gets to 25, which you would think he would, only 24 others got to that mark before him. Anyway, thanks for teeing off the golf stuff for the handful of us here who follow it. I had the privilege of playing 10-12 rounds of golf with Jay Seigel on some of America's best Golf Courses. I also played a couple rounds with Jay & Lionel Hebert.
Jay, gave me the Nickname of 'Dr. Golf'; for once I am on the Green I am deadly = A natural Talent.
My problem is: 'Getting on the Green..." Sometimes getting to the Green requires me to have a Passport = Scenic Route. But instead of getting MAD, I start giggling, which leads to a massive Laughing Attack which leads me running for cover to pee.
I study/research/watch Golf a lot. Why? Probably the most difficult game to Play/Master in all of Sports.
Next, NO VIOLENCE!!!
Lastly, it is a 'Thinking Sport' you must use your Brains because in Truth, you are competing only against yourself.
My intense research shows a lot of PGA Golfers are spending to much time on the Weights = 'Bulking Up' = For more POWER.
Someone needs to remind them of Lee's Trevino Quote: "You Drive for SHOW; you Putt for DOUGH."
It is my BELIEF, yes, my Belief that, Golfers should spent more time in training, doing Stretching Exercises, Yoga, Mediation & Tai Chi, etc. and less time on the Weights. Yet I understand the need for SOME weight training...
In addition, they need to spend more time on their 'Short Game' in their Practice Rounds = Around the Green & PUTTING. Again just my opinion.
Take Woods for instance: Last year alone, he missed so many Putts that he should have made = It cost him $$$ and maybe more Title(s).
Woods besides doing more of my above recommended Training, Woods also should doing the following when practicing :
1. Drop the DAMN Driver (Driving for Show). Instead Master the Three Wood, for his Second shots are normally Brilliant. Yes, his Drives would be shorter, but since he has Mastered his Second Fairway shot, his initial drive will be fine, as long as it is in the Fairway; will be Ok.
Currently, With his Driver he sadly takes (too many times) the 'Scenic Route' to the Green. During Practices, he should spend 30% of his time becoming a Master of the 3-Wood = More Fairways hit in Regulation.
2. Spend 20% of his time practicing his second shot from the fairway. Solidify his 'Master Status' of such shot.
3. Spend 20% of his practice time on his Short Game off the Green. He is good, but could be so much better.
4. Spend 30% of his practice time PUTTING. It is just not him, but so many Pro's that miss 'Give-Me Putts" (miss-read green/break; rushed their putts, miss-read speed, etc.).
Putting = The Ultimate Pressure in Golf. WE have ALL SEEN more often than we should; A Pro get on a Par 3 in one shot having and than they Three PUTT. Same for Par-4's--On in Two but than three-Putts.
Putting is where Champions are made and or broken.
5. Woods need to STOP MAKING THE UGLY FACE, GETTING UPSET, ETC. on missed shots.
It is not only bad for his image, but MENTALLY affects his upcoming shots.
If your brain is suddenly swallow up by 'A Bad Temper/Being Upset, etc.' = Its thinking process is not working at a 100% Level/Out-Put. Remember, Golf is a THINKING GAME...
Woods should see my recommendations about Stretching, Mediation, etc. etc.
When he makes a Bad Shot he needs to train himself to: Giggle, even laugh and immediately remind Himself & his Brain, that it is only a GAME, so have fun.
AND to remember, he is worth nearly $1 Billion, is FAMOUS and can have just about any woman he wants (he has tried such).
So he needs the mindset = Who gives a Flying F..K about a bad shot.
This will clear/empty his brain of any madness from his Temper Tamper and allow it to begin thinking at 100% about his next shot. JUST RELAX & HAVE FUN = WE are PAYING you to play one of if not the best Sports Game in the WORLD.
BACK to why I left some Golfers off my list & Bulking Up:
If you look at DAY & so many others when they first made their name on the PGA & Than compare to what they look like today = THEY HAVE BULK UP; either with too much Weight Training and/or Bad Diets. In addition, they KEEP trying to drive the ball further & further.
On the other hand take a Golfer like Noren = Drives and hits the Fairway (not as far as others) & a good putter.
Than look at Michelson, if he gets any fatter he could replace CC as our 5th/6th Starting Pitcher.
Than do some research on how DeChambeau prepares for a Tournament = Some have called it Crazy; I call it BRILLIANT = Thinking!!!
JUST MY THOUGHTS...probably will catch a Bucket of Crap for my above viewpoints, but I don not give a FF; it is just a GAME = So have a Blast playing it (FUN).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 11:50:26 GMT -5
1. Mark Twain said it best: Golf is a good walk spoiled.
2. Golf is insufficient exercise: George W. Bush
3. Golf is too fucking hard- me
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Post by inger on Dec 22, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -5
1. Mark Twain said it best: Golf is a good walk spoiled. 2. Golf is insufficient exercise: George W. Bush 3. Golf is too fucking hard- me It’s now been about eight, maybe nine years since I teed off for round of golf. I still have my clubs, and I look at them with a tinge of sadness sometimes. They brought me a lot of pleasure. Joy. Memories. Somehow, the game became too expensive for me. No, not the cost of the greens fee. It was the time. I simply realized that to play golf is to have a love affair with hitting and chasing that little white ball around that will pull you away from work when you should be working. It pulls you away from your loved ones when they may need you. In the end, just as Will Smith’s character Bagger Vance said, “It’s a game that can’t be won, only played. I’m going to agree somewhat with Dome, though. I was known as a guy that could hit his ball into the cabbage and not get upset. I had guys ask me before why I never got rattled about where my ball landed. My typical answer was that a bad tee shot gave me the opportunity to follow it up with the shot of a lifetime. Heck a couple of times I hit some shots out of bad places that I’ll never forget. So, yes. It is a great game. Probably the greatest game ever invented. I was never a really good golfer. Oh, I could and did hit some beautiful 300+ yard drives. I also popped quite a few up, slivmced and hooked many into oblivion and out of bounds. I got to the point that I was consistently scoring between 85 and 94. Most importantly that was without cheating, or “forgetting” a shot. I saw some guys that would slave over practice, lining up 20 or so balls in a bunker and hitting them all into the bunker practice green. I just never wanted or needed to get that good. While I enjoyed golf, it wsn’t Enough of a priority for me to want to stand in the sun doing that extra practice. No. I never giggled when I made a bad shot. I did go to the ball and relax, doing what I could with the next shot. I recall landing close to boulder once, and when my playing partner scoffed because I had nowhere to stand...he even laughed...I calmly turned my four iron upside down and hit the ball left handed, landing it about twenty yards short of the green. I’ve also used that little shot where you turn your back on the green while under a tree and smack the ball out of trouble and onto the green, and chipped I’ve chipped in from the fringe for a birdie with my three wood. They were great days. Maybe someday, I’ll play again. Life and golf have one thing in common. You can’t predict what’s ahead...and oh by the way...you can’t really win either one, you can only play... |
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Post by domeplease on Dec 22, 2018 15:24:11 GMT -5
1. Mark Twain said it best: Golf is a good walk spoiled. 2. Golf is insufficient exercise: George W. Bush 3. Golf is too fucking hard- me It’s now been about eight, maybe nine years since I teed off for round of golf. I still have my clubs, and I look at them with a tinge of sadness sometimes. They brought me a lot of pleasure. Joy. Memories. Somehow, the game became too expensive for me. No, not the cost of the greens fee. It was the time. I simply realized that to play golf is to have a love affair with hitting and chasing that little white ball around that will pull you away from work when you should be working. It pulls you away from your loved ones when they may need you. In the end, just as Will Smith’s character Bagger Vance said, “It’s a game that can’t be won, only played. I’m going to agree somewhat with Dome, though. I was known as a guy that could hit his ball into the cabbage and not get upset. I had guys ask me before why I never got rattled about where my ball landed. My typical answer was that a bad tee shot gave me the opportunity to follow it up with the shot of a lifetime. Heck a couple of times I hit some shots out of bad places that I’ll never forget. So, yes. It is a great game. Probably the greatest game ever invented. I was never a really good golfer. Oh, I could and did hit some beautiful 300+ yard drives. I also popped quite a few up, slivmced and hooked many into oblivion and out of bounds. I got to the point that I was consistently scoring between 85 and 94. Most importantly that was without cheating, or “forgetting” a shot. I saw some guys that would slave over practice, lining up 20 or so balls in a bunker and hitting them all into the bunker practice green. I just never wanted or needed to get that good. While I enjoyed golf, it wsn’t Enough of a priority for me to want to stand in the sun doing that extra practice. No. I never giggled when I made a bad shot. I did go to the ball and relax, doing what I could with the next shot. I recall landing close to boulder once, and when my playing partner scoffed because I had nowhere to stand...he even laughed...I calmly turned my four iron upside down and hit the ball left handed, landing it about twenty yards short of the green. I’ve also used that little shot where you turn your back on the green while under a tree and smack the ball out of trouble and onto the green, and chipped I’ve chipped in from the fringe for a birdie with my three wood. They were great days. Maybe someday, I’ll play again. Life and golf have one thing in common. You can’t predict what’s ahead...and oh by the way...you can’t really win either one, you can only play... INGER: Great POST...Hey, Why don't you & Ruthie shoot down here for Christmas with Do Me??? |
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Post by inger on Dec 22, 2018 17:00:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the invitation, Dome. I know it’s a sincere one. Actually, I’m taking some time off to simply relax and get a few things done around the house. We took three rather lengthy trips this year in addition to three rather long day trips.
I need to rest a bit. It’s been quite a year! Lot’s of good, a tingeof bad, as life usually is (at least at it’s best)...
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Post by inger on Dec 22, 2018 20:41:19 GMT -5
Best golf shots I recall hitting:
Third shot on a 578 yard par three. Hitting a mid wedge from 100 yds out of the left rough. Twenty mile per hour cross wind from right to left.
Result, holed the shot for an eagle.
Third shot on a 410 yard par four. I had hit my drive down the right side of the fairway, but my second shot caught a low branch and barely advanced, going under the edge of the tree limbs st 140 from the green. I took out a six iron and put the ball back in my stance and hit a low punch shot that landed about 30 yards short of the green and rolled all they way and into the cup for birdie.
Playing a tricky little downhill par three with a stream in front at 155 yards. Hit my eight iron onto the back fringe. While the rest of the foursome scratched their heads wondering what I was doing I read the green carefully, then pulled my three wood out of the bag. My playing partner (poor Charlie, he passed about nine years ago) was even more excited than I was when I softly stroked the shot about six feet to the right of the hole and let the ball drift into the hole for a hole winning birdie for our “team”.
Driving off a cliff onto a tree lined fairway below I watched with a bit of
disappointment as my drive rolled through the fairway into a fairway bunker. I was the only one off the fairway, some 160 yards from the green. I hit my six iron onto the green, but it looked like you could have built a Wal-Mart between my ball and the pin, they were on opposite sides of the green, at least 70 feet apart. So, I was first to putt and slid that little sucker into the hole like it was a heat-seeking missile.
Hooked a four iron left off the tee on a short par four with water nearly surrounding the green. The lie was in the rough and on a down slope from my stance, yet an uphill shot, if you can picture that. The shot into the green was over a blind hill, and the only way to gauge distance or direction was to walk back up to the fairway, look... and then go back down and hit the shot. A smart golfer would have punched out, and I realized that right away. So I pulled my four iron and hit it with all my might. The ball rattled the pin and I would presume then bounced off just enough to leave me with a little 2.5 foot uphill knee-knocker for the birdie. Lucky for me there was a fellow who was taking a walk that saw the shot and could describe it to me. He said he wondered where the ball had come from because he couldn’t see me... This was of course a great shot.., but on the other hand it was also a very lucky shot... (:
One more and then I’ll quit. I was playing a long par four one day and had about 240 left to the green after my drive, which was not spectacular to say the least, but in the fairway. I pulled my 3 wood out of the bag and smacked the ball to within 10 feet of the pin. I two putted for my par. Nice enough, but a couple of weeks later I was playing the same hole with a father and 14 year old son I had joined up with. Damned if my drive didn’t land in almost the same place, and damned if I didn’t hit my 3 wood to almost the same spot on the green! The son said to his father “ gosh dad, this guy hits shots just like Tiger Woods hits. I laughed and said, well...let’s see if he putts like Tiger... and two putted again, which was fine with me...Tiger woulda made that putt...This was a green with water on the right, so a screw up could have easily splashed...
I could write a much lengthier description of my worst shots...but I’m still trying to block them out of my memory...
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 23, 2018 13:25:52 GMT -5
I had the privilege of playing 10-12 rounds of golf with Jay Seigel on some of America's best Golf Courses. I also played a couple rounds with Jay & Lionel Hebert.
Jay, gave me the Nickname of 'Dr. Golf'; for once I am on the Green I am deadly = A natural Talent.
Very impressive that you were so monikered by the great Jay Sigel. He lives not too far from me, although I have never met him. As you know, he was a legend on the amateur circuit and made millions in the insurance business. Great throwback names to the Cajun brothers, Jay and Lionel Hebert. They each won a PGA Championship -- Lionel was the last golfer to win it in its old match play format, a very early golf memory for me. You are living well if you got to play with such esteemed golfers. Taking me back to the days of Gardner Dickinson and Tommy Bolt and Art Wall Jr. and the amazing dentist Dr. Cary Middlecoff, one of the greatest golfers of all time. The best golfer I ever played with was my Uncle Bud. He was a few notches below the Brothers Hebert. But he took lessons from another forgotten golf immortal, Ed "Porky" Oliver, who won eight PGA events and finished second in three majors -- twice to Ben Hogan. So using Inger's degrees of separation philosophy, I am only three degrees of separation from playing with Ben Hogan. BTW Dome, I concur with some of your views on approaching golf, especially those on putting and the over-emphasis on power. I can't see the clock turning back on that one, even though it will always cost us Ryder Cups played in Europe. I do agree that golf, along with baseball, is the ultimate thinking person's sport. That is probably why there is more good sports literature on those two sports than any other. Boxing used to have a great literary pedigree as well, but as the sport has deteriorated, so has the writing devoted to it. |
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Post by domeplease on Dec 23, 2018 14:25:34 GMT -5
I had the privilege of playing 10-12 rounds of golf with Jay Seigel on some of America's best Golf Courses. I also played a couple rounds with Jay & Lionel Hebert.
Jay, gave me the Nickname of 'Dr. Golf'; for once I am on the Green I am deadly = A natural Talent.
Very impressive that you were so monikered by the great Jay Sigel. He lives not too far from me, although I have never met him. As you know, he was a legend on the amateur circuit and made millions in the insurance business. Great throwback names to the Cajun brothers, Jay and Lionel Hebert. They each won a PGA Championship -- Lionel was the last golfer to win it in its old match play format, a very early golf memory for me. You are living well if you got to play with such esteemed golfers. Taking me back to the days of Gardner Dickinson and Tommy Bolt and Art Wall Jr. and the amazing dentist Dr. Cary Middlecoff, one of the greatest golfers of all time. The best golfer I ever played with was my Uncle Bud. He was a few notches below the Brothers Hebert. But he took lessons from another forgotten golf immortal, Ed "Porky" Oliver, who won eight PGA events and finished second in three majors -- twice to Ben Hogan. So using Inger's degrees of separation philosophy, I am only three degrees of separation from playing with Ben Hogan. BTW Dome, I concur with some of your views on approaching golf, especially those on putting and the over-emphasis on power. I can't see the clock turning back on that one, even though it will always cost us Ryder Cups played in Europe. I do agree that golf, along with baseball, is the ultimate thinking person's sport. That is probably why there is more good sports literature on those two sports than any other. Boxing used to have a great literary pedigree as well, but as the sport has deteriorated, so has the writing devoted to it. Yeah, Jay is a GREAT GUY. You forgot though, he made BIG $$$ off the Senior Tour & more so from Endorsements.
I swear, that when he hits his Driver; Houston, says, "Boss we have a situation...an unidentified object traveling at the speed of Light across America."
Funny, I just Emailed Jay than I read your Posts.
Have a great Holiday Season.
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 23, 2018 14:46:19 GMT -5
Before my wife became ill, I played golf as often as possible. I've played courses that were little more than nine-hole cow pastures to Pebble Beach, and enjoyed them all. Growing up in the boonies of south Louisiana, golf was some remote abomination that interrupted weekend television - especially as we had only three channels to watch. How could anyone play such a boring game, much less watch it for hours on Saturday and Sunday?
In 1984 at university, I was shooting pool in the dorm, when a group of my friends traipsed through the common room carrying golf clubs. I had never known anyone who played golf, and I had no idea that my buddies even owned clubs. My pal Tim said, "Hey, Rizzuto! You want to go beat a few balls around?" Of course, I replied that I had never touched a golf club in my life. To which, they all smiled at each other and said nearly in unison, "Oh, that's okay. There's nothing to it. Steve's studying upstairs, you can borrow his clubs."
Because I was a rather good athlete, my buddies were used to losing rather handily to me at, well, just about everything. I didn't understand their obvious glee at getting me on a golf course. The par five first hole, I carded a 13 (even though I was on the edge of the green in two shots). On the par four second, a 12. But during that front nine, I hit one perfect seven iron, the white ball spinning against a cloudless blue sky, then settling softly near the pin for a birdie putt. Unfortunately, I three putted for bogey...but that seven iron hooked me for life. Every other sport or game had always come so easily for me. Golf was quite another animal altogether. The game has frustrated and fascinated me, elated and humbled me. It teaches you patience and emotional balance - never get too high or too low. And, it has led to life long friendships and a ocean full of memories.
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