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Post by sierchio on Mar 29, 2019 6:14:31 GMT -5
As I stated in another post I think it's great when teams get to keep their star players. When that player is the best player in baseball I think it's even better. Angel fans deserve to see trout grow old in their uniform.
Hopefully the cult of Gardener gets to see Gardy retire as a Yankee so he can join that list of players who only played for one team with at least ten years in the bigs. While he might not be an MLB super star... He's our super star.
Before the internet anybody have a baseball encyclopedia? Cleaning out my grandparents house I found my old one. It's like a printed version of baseball reference... Had every players stats ever for up until the year it was printed. I remember bringing it to school n having people quiz me on players hr n rbi totals. Back when I had a good memory lol
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Post by greatfatness on Mar 29, 2019 7:03:57 GMT -5
As I stated in another post I think it's great when teams get to keep their star players. When that player is the best player in baseball I think it's even better. Angel fans deserve to see trout grow old in their uniform. Hopefully the cult of Gardener gets to see Gardy retire as a Yankee so he can join that list of players who only played for one team with at least ten years in the bigs. While he might not be an MLB super star... He's our super star. Before the internet anybody have a baseball encyclopedia? Cleaning out my grandparents house I found my old one. It's like a printed version of baseball reference... Had every players stats ever for up until the year it was printed. I remember bringing it to school n having people quiz me on players hr n rbi totals. Back when I had a good memory lol I used to buy the baseball encyclopedia, the baseball prospectus annual and the Bill James annual almanac every year and looked forward to reading them each spring. Those were the days, says the old man.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 29, 2019 7:56:41 GMT -5
As I stated in another post I think it's great when teams get to keep their star players. When that player is the best player in baseball I think it's even better. Angel fans deserve to see trout grow old in their uniform. Hopefully the cult of Gardener gets to see Gardy retire as a Yankee so he can join that list of players who only played for one team with at least ten years in the bigs. While he might not be an MLB super star... He's our super star. Before the internet anybody have a baseball encyclopedia? Cleaning out my grandparents house I found my old one. It's like a printed version of baseball reference... Had every players stats ever for up until the year it was printed. I remember bringing it to school n having people quiz me on players hr n rbi totals. Back when I had a good memory lol I used to buy the baseball encyclopedia, the baseball prospectus annual and the Bill James annual almanac every year and looked forward to reading them each spring. Those were the days, says the old man. As an even older old man, concur with the experience of you guys. Before the first Macmillan Encyclopedia came out in 1969 -- an event overshadowing the lunar landing that same year -- I used to get the version put together by Hy Turkin and CS Thompson, published by AS Barnes. The first version I had was published in 1956, and was re-done every few years until Macmillan came along and dominated the field. The Macmillan version was more comprehensive and many pounds heavier, but the Barnes version did a lot of the spade work that was incorporated into later editions. Turkin and Thompson spent years doing research, having to personally do things like get death certificates of old players and comb through newspapers at libraries all over the country. It was an imperfect work for sure, but it was foundational to the whole concept of a baseball encyclopedia. It seemed like manna to anyone devoted to baseball history. That first Macmillan edition was a beauty -- it came with a box slipcover -- I think the last one was published in 1996, when of course online information made everything else obsolete. Neft and Cohen used to put out the year-by-year team rosters and stats, which to this day is handier to use than even baseball ref when it comes to a quick comparison for individual seasons. And as GF said the Bill James annuals were indispensable. Before those, the Street and Smith annuals were must-reading, with the listing of all-time and current leaders in many statistical categories and nice roundups of each team. I still think I learned as much from baseball cards as from any printed source, or at least more that stuck with me. "Marv was third in the Three-I League in doubles in 1959." Stuff like that.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 29, 2019 8:01:18 GMT -5
My friend Marty and I used to comb through the encyclopedia looking for guys with weird stats or funny names. That is how I first became aware of guys like Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot.
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Post by inger on Mar 29, 2019 9:22:25 GMT -5
My friend Marty and I used to comb through the encyclopedia looking for guys with weird stats or funny names. That is how I first became aware of guys like Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot. I think I owned three of those tome at one point. I’d wait until the new ones were due in and buy the year old ones at Barnes and Noble for about 1/4- 1/3 of the cover price. Damn, I’m a tightwad... I swear I would take a book marker and read those stats line by line...The numbers would consume my brain for months at a time. Then, I’d start over, rechecking highlights , Yankees, and other favorites...
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Post by sierchio on Mar 29, 2019 9:49:53 GMT -5
In the edition I have from 1997 they have a statistic called PRO+. It sounds a lot like OPS+.
"Production plus or adjusted production (on base percentage plus slugging average, normalized to league average and adjusted for home park factor)
Definitely sounds like OPS+ to me. Anybody know what the difference is?
There's actually a few statistics in here that I've never heard of. Gonna have to do some reading today. I don't have internet on the PC or I'd try and upload some pictures of the book.
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Post by kaybli on Mar 29, 2019 9:57:59 GMT -5
I still buy Baseball Prospectus every year to read on the crapper.
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Post by greatfatness on Mar 29, 2019 12:32:45 GMT -5
In the edition I have from 1997 they have a statistic called PRO+. It sounds a lot like OPS+. "Production plus or adjusted production (on base percentage plus slugging average, normalized to league average and adjusted for home park factor) Definitely sounds like OPS+ to me. Anybody know what the difference is? There's actually a few statistics in here that I've never heard of. Gonna have to do some reading today. I don't have internet on the PC or I'd try and upload some pictures of the book. The same just park adjusted. Good stuff.
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Post by greatfatness on Mar 29, 2019 12:33:39 GMT -5
My friend Marty and I used to comb through the encyclopedia looking for guys with weird stats or funny names. That is how I first became aware of guys like Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot. Sure we can all go along with the story that that’s how you met Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot....
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Post by inger on Mar 29, 2019 13:34:27 GMT -5
My friend Marty and I used to comb through the encyclopedia looking for guys with weird stats or funny names. That is how I first became aware of guys like Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot. Sure we can all go along with the story that that’s how you met Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot.... I forget what volume it was in, but I once saw a guy named “Beer”. It didn’t say if that was his first or last name, just “Beer”. A one game player, if I recall... Wonder if they needed a player and the beer vendor volunteered? Just think, could have been “Popcorn”...or “Hot dog”...
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Post by inger on Mar 29, 2019 13:38:08 GMT -5
Rembering the Cumm boys, Scott and Randy, from my home town, and Peter Eder, who lived about 25 miles away...
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 29, 2019 15:34:32 GMT -5
My friend Marty and I used to comb through the encyclopedia looking for guys with weird stats or funny names. That is how I first became aware of guys like Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot. Sure we can all go along with the story that that’s how you met Tony Suck and Johnny Dickshot.... That's my story and I'm sticking to it. And I freely acknowledge that I observed Peter LaCock and Rusty Kuntz with my own eyes. But it was strictly as a spectator.
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