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Post by sierchio on Mar 21, 2019 2:20:13 GMT -5
Here’s my hot take for you. It’s 3AM Eastern Time and this topic deserves to be written by someone much smarter than me…
I think we’re seeing a market correction in Free Agency andit's for the better.. Even though older players are getting squeezed out, we’re seeing younger players sign extensions before hitting free agency. This is a great thing. I think as this goes on, it will become a trend and not just for the Trout’s and Arenado’s of the world. We saw it with Aaron Hicks, so it’s not like just the larger than life players are signing long term deals before Free Agency. (I’m talking long term deals, like Hicks who got 7 year 70 million… not the contracts that buy out arbitration years plus 2 years of Free Agency.
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Why is this good you ask? It’ll be like the old days where players spent a majority of their career with one team. THAT is good for baseball… in my eyes at least. I’ve been wondering for years now how baseball could figure out a way to stop the constant roster change overs. The best answer turns out to be, keep your hands off and let it work itself out.
This might suck for the players who are now over 30 or close to 30 and just becoming a FA... but it's just a matter of bad timing for them.. we have to let it play out and see if the market makes a correction. I think it's great if teams lock up their own players to contracts before they test the market.
What's your opinion? Am I delusional? Does it matter to you if a player spends a majority of his career with one team?
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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2019 4:45:24 GMT -5
Of course you’re delusional. You always have been... (: good to see you stop by, Sierchio. Yeah. I like when teams get identified by a core group of players. I think it’s good for the game...
It takes some of the mercenary element out of the game...
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Post by greatfatness on Mar 21, 2019 6:19:48 GMT -5
I think the market correction you've described is causing an increased spread in how salaries are distributed among players which will increase the chances of a season being interrupted by a labor action, either strike or lockout. Ownership is holding a greater share of revenue than before and distributing more of it to a smaller number of players. So to me, as a fan, that's not good for the sport. I expect we will have a summer without baseball coming up soon.
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Post by kaybli on Mar 21, 2019 6:27:33 GMT -5
Ownership is holding a greater share of revenue than before and distributing more of it to a smaller number of players. So to me, as a fan, that's not good for the sport. I expect we will have a summer without baseball coming up soon. Exactly. |
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Post by domeplease on Mar 21, 2019 9:02:15 GMT -5
Here’s my hot take for you. It’s 3AM Eastern Time and this topic deserves to be written by someone much smarter than me… I think we’re seeing a market correction in Free Agency andit's for the better.. Even though older players are getting squeezed out, we’re seeing younger players sign extensions before hitting free agency. This is a great thing. I think as this goes on, it will become a trend and not just for the Trout’s and Arenado’s of the world. We saw it with Aaron Hicks, so it’s not like just the larger than life players are signing long term deals before Free Agency. (I’m talking long term deals, like Hicks who got 7 year 70 million… not the contracts that buy out arbitration years plus 2 years of Free Agency. ) Why is this good you ask? It’ll be like the old days where players spent a majority of their career with one team. THAT is good for baseball… in my eyes at least. I’ve been wondering for years now how baseball could figure out a way to stop the constant roster change overs. The best answer turns out to be, keep your hands off and let it work itself out. This might suck for the players who are now over 30 or close to 30 and just becoming a FA... but it's just a matter of bad timing for them.. we have to let it play out and see if the market makes a correction. I think it's great if teams lock up their own players to contracts before they test the market. What's your opinion? Am I delusional? Does it matter to you if a player spends a majority of his career with one team? Sierchio: Good to hear from you; I was getting worried about you = Hope All is OK???!!!
I agree with your take but I also see an additional benefit...
With a lot of the teams NOW signing their 'Best Players' (???) to extensions while younger = It means ALL Teams will have to look at their Prospects (Farm System) for either getting their Prospects to the MLB faster AND/OR using them for Trade Bait for = THE REBUILDING YEARS (which ALL teams go thru).
It is a smart move by the Owners. Pay SOME $$$ NOW or PAY MORE $$$ LATER (Trout, etc.).
The ones upset by this new tactical move by the owners, will be the older players heading into Free Agency.
Owners will now Cherry Pick from these veteran free agents, but at the Owners' Price not the players. Remember in all transactions, 'The Buyer Determines The Price'...
Players still will be able to make a 'Shit-Load of $$$', but only if they are smart and sign an extension while still young, producing, injury free, etc.
There will be exceptions (just a few mind you); where the veteran player is so exceptional that he can still demand & get big $$$ at an older age.
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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2019 9:15:21 GMT -5
Point:
If the reaction of all other teams was to immediately sign up a couple of hundred more contracts like the one just signed by Eloy Jimenez, that would indicate a prescendent that would that the owners are sincere in spreading the money around and paying the young in lieu of the old.
One contract does nothing of the sort, because there is no system in place to cause that action to occur and the young players still have no leverage.
The owners and players are both going to have to be far more flexible than they have in the past to work out their differences. Neither side is apparently smart enough to see that another stoppage could ruin a sport who already has a great short term prognosis, but a questionable long term prognosis.
If I’m a goose (advertiser) right now, and I’m laying golden eggs for these guys, I’m going to keep a close eye out for butcher knives. At the slightest sign, I’m running to a different barn...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 9:25:15 GMT -5
I agree with GF. Get ready for a perfectly good season to be interrupted. Tough to root for billionaire owners who refuse to open their books which would no doubt reveal massive comingleing of funds. Tough to root for guys making 100-200 million in 6-8 years pleading poverty.
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Post by sierchio on Mar 21, 2019 10:05:40 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong... I think in the new CBA, they need to make it so players become FA sooner, give the teams less team control.. I think this will also cause players to stay with the same team, because owners will now have to be paying for the primes of a player.. and wouldn't want to develop a player just to lose them to FA when they hit their prime. Ya know what I'm saying? I also think there needs to be a change to the arbitration process... but that's above my pay grade.
I think the market correction is a good thing though... BUT the players need to benefit by being allowed to hit FA earlier.
Whatever it takes to see the teams core stick with the team longer. It annoys me that a team like the Indians will probably let their core group of players all leave via FA.. their fans deserve better.
I'd rather see the changes made to give the fans a better experience... not the players or the owners. Wish the fans could have a rep during the CBA haha. If they want to really get interest back into baseball, maybe instead of focusing on pace of play BS.. focus on giving the fans better teams to root for. It's a bad example so don't bite my head off, because of all the other factors at play, but take a team like Miami and the awesome OF they had.. give the fans something to root for by keeping that OF together through their primes.. by paying them... and focus on building around those players.
Anyways, Hope I'm not all over the place any more than usual.. been a while since I posted.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Mar 21, 2019 10:27:42 GMT -5
Four of the six biggest contracts of all time (in baseball) were signed in the past two weeks. There are reports that Eloy Jimenez, who has never played a Major League inning, is on the verge of something like a $70mm extension. I dont think things are quite as dire or near a breaking point as some making it out to be.
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Post by domeplease on Mar 21, 2019 10:57:17 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 21, 2019 12:33:10 GMT -5
I think the market correction you've described is causing an increased spread in how salaries are distributed among players which will increase the chances of a season being interrupted by a labor action, either strike or lockout. Ownership is holding a greater share of revenue than before and distributing more of it to a smaller number of players. S o to me, as a fan, that's not good for the sport. I expect we will have a summer without baseball coming up soon.I really hope the owners and players realize what a horrible mistake a work stoppage would be. Unlike 1990's, there's no roided up robo-players coming out of the wood work to give us a phony HR record chase that excites the fans and saves the game. People have far more options now for their entertainment dollars, so I think it will be hard for the baseball to get a lot of these fans back if the stop playing games. Find a way to better share this billion dollar pie that you've made.  |
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Post by domeplease on Mar 21, 2019 12:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by domeplease on Mar 23, 2019 11:45:50 GMT -5
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Post by domeplease on Mar 25, 2019 9:26:35 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/the-death-of-free-agency-in-baseball/ar-BBV9VHC The right to become a free agent is the proudest achievement of the Major League Baseball Players Association, the oldest and most powerful labor union in North American professional sports. It has given players the opportunity to test their value on the open market, creating spectacles like the $300 million contracts that Bryce Harper and Manny Machado won this winter.
But those big deals bely a perilous truth that emerged this off-season: The institution of free agency is on the injured list. With the employment market cool for all but the biggest stars, an increasing number of players—ranging from up-and-coming prospects to Hall-of-Fame caliber talent—are choosing to delay, or even effectively waive, their ability to offer their services to the highest bidder.
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Consider what’s happened just in the last few days alone: Mike Trout, Alex Bregman, Paul Goldschmidt, Blake Snell, Chris Sale and Justin Verlander all signed long-term extensions with their current teams. Nolan Arenado, Luis Severino and Aaron Nola did the same last month.
And that doesn’t even include Chicago White Sox prospect Eloy Jiménez. He signed an extension last week that potentially sold a year or two of free agency before appearing in a single major-league game.
All of these players likely left money on the table—some more than others. Collectively, the deals remove an enormous haul of talent out of the free-agent pool over the next few years.
It’s pointing toward a future where free-agent classes are older, smaller and decidedly devoid of star power, a shift that could fundamentally alter the landscape of the industry moving forward. READ MORE...
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Post by noetsi on Mar 25, 2019 16:47:25 GMT -5
I think free agency is in decline because owners realize it rarely helps. To many busts like Ellsbury and Arod (I know others disagree the later was a bust). That is a different issue than how much owners and players get (I side with the players who are the product in MLB).
Owners need to come up with a different model to spread money around or there will be a strike which will be a disaster. Players need to realize they need a different model than free agency, because you can't make people buy players so free agency is not a winnable fight.
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