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Post by inger on Aug 13, 2019 15:47:36 GMT -5
Fred Stanley, an important back up infielder with the Yanks in the mid to late 70’s who helped the team win World Series over the Dodgers in both 1977 and 1978 turns 72 today.
He still serves the Giants as their director of player development.
Since 1960, no other non pitcher has had as many seasons (9) with at least 30 AB and fewer than 5 extra base hits.
Fred “ Chicken” Stanley couldn’t hit a lick, yet I have many fond memories of him. One of my favorite moments cake when Fred was inserted into a Yankee regular season game that Howard Cosell was doing and Cosell became very animated, “SHADES OF THE 1968 WORLD SERIES! FRED STANLEY HAS JUST BEEN INSERTED INTO THE GAME AT SHORT STOP”! Whereupon Howard’s broadcasting partner stated, “That was Mickey Stanley, Howard”... lol...
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Post by utahyank on Aug 13, 2019 16:07:50 GMT -5
Fred Stanley, an important back up infielder with the Yanks in the mid to late 70’s who helped the team win World Series over the Dodgers in both 1977 and 1978 turns 72 today. He still serves the Giants as their director of player development. Since 1960, no other non pitcher has had as many seasons (9) with at least 30 AB and fewer than 5 extra base hits. Fred “ Chicken” Stanley couldn’t hit a lick, yet I have many fond memories of him. One of my favorite moments cake when Fred was inserted into a Yankee regular season game that Howard Cosell was doing and Cosell became very animated, “SHADES OF THE 1968 WORLD SERIES! FRED STANLEY HAS JUST BEEN INSERTED INTO THE GAME AT SHORT STOP”! Whereupon Howard’s broadcasting partner stated, “That was Mickey Stanley, Howard”... lol... my Howard "oops moment" came when he was broadcasting a WS game and he commented how much Willie McGee looked like E.T., which was the popular movie of the time.....there was a shocked silence in the booth...you could hear Howard protesting "what was wrong with that?"...….welcome to the hyper-sensitivity of the modern age, Howard.... |
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Post by noetsi on Aug 13, 2019 16:38:56 GMT -5
Howard Cosell I have read fought the "colored line" in sports when that was dangerous to do. He was not at his best on tv, he was a sports journalist long before then. Among other things positive about him (I always thought he was an arrogant jerk listening to him) is this: "Cosell was a vocal critic of baseball's reserve clause, which before the advent of free agency bound a player to one team. He railed over brutality and corruption in boxing, the cheating and academic abuses of college sports, the rampant commercialism and alleged hypocrisy in the Olympic movement." www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/longterm/memories/1995/95pass12.htmI can only remember Stanly by name not his accomplishments sadly. When he was playing about the only way I found out about the Yankees was in papers which provided few details in central florida and for a few years coverage of their games. |
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Post by utahyank on Aug 13, 2019 16:56:56 GMT -5
Howard was primarily a promoter of Howard....not that there is anything wrong with that.....he spoke down to his audience many times, I thought, acting as though he was speaking absolute truths from the heavens...…..
His best work was when he was teamed with Don Meredith on NFL broadcasts....
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Post by inger on Aug 13, 2019 17:44:23 GMT -5
Howard also caught a lot of flack on a MNF broadcast when Alvin Garrett ( Redskins) caught his 6th pass of the first quarter vs. Dallas for saying (paraphrased) “Joe Gibbs wanted that player and that little monkey can sure get loose, can’t he”?
Cosell had said of smaller runnings backs, both black and white “Look at that little monkey run” on numerous occasions and was one of the least likely men anywhere to feel prejudice after his years of association with Muhammad Ali in particular and boxing in general.
I thought he was a terrific boxing announcer. As a baseball and football announcer he was prone to errors, but I enjoyed him anyway.
I suppose that I relate well because I may not always parse my words with the zeal expected today, but I still empathize with those of color and culture that feel downtrodden, and tend to look to systematic change to aid in the cure of those ills rather than to try to legislate them away.
Should there not be a six degrees of Howard Cosell?...
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Post by greatfatness on Aug 13, 2019 17:54:28 GMT -5
For anyone interested (which seems possibly like nobody here) there was a very good book written about the Cosell/ Ali relationship called Sound and Fury a few years ago. Enjoyed that one.
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Post by noetsi on Aug 13, 2019 17:57:23 GMT -5
Cosell was upset with bias because he encountered it himself as Jew in a very different America where anti-Semitism was rife. His comments on MNF are not what he was for most of his life. Its a good example of the need to retire (or how all of us have some bias. I have been upset with my own in recent years).
He took a lot of grief for his association with Ali not because Ali was black but because of his conversion to Islam and refusal to serve in Vietnam. The later is particularly ridiculous in an era where (for example) football teams found ways to not have their players called to service.
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Post by inger on Aug 13, 2019 18:08:34 GMT -5
For anyone interested (which seems possibly like nobody here) there was a very good book written about the Cosell/ Ali relationship called Sound and Fury a few years ago. Enjoyed that one. Sounds like something I’d enjoy. Thanks. Sadly, I don’t do much reading any more. I suppose the long work weeks took me out of the habit. Now that I’m free... I could... |
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