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Post by BillyBones on Sept 8, 2023 19:38:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. I hoped someone might have seen this guy. If you remember that the vehicle he also threw and caught from was a WWII Jeep, then it was the same guy. You're right about many sports having their specialists in tricks. I like billiards, and the number of trick billiard shots are legendary. I spent a good deal of time learning systems of banking on a table in order to hit or make a shot. One of them involved 5 banks and making a ball at the 6th rail. Believe it or not, that came up in a tournament once where the 8 ball was close to a hole, but they had left me corner-hooked and there were some opponent bal still on the table to prevent a one or 3 rail kick at the 8 ball. But, in a rare piece of luck, the 5 rail shot was open, and in another rare piece of luck I made the 8 ball. I got a big round of applause, and some nice money, but the loser never congratulated me and quickly left. I got a lot of questions about how I knew that shot, but really if I hit the first rail at the right spot, and right speed, the geometry of the table was going to take the cue ball to that spot. I guess that all the "tricks" rely on something the player knows. I was going to look up anything about this baseball player, but can't find his last name. My guess is ther film is his legacy and claim to fame. Regards. BillyBones, I found the guy. His name is Johnny Price and the film is called "Diamond Demon." It was made in 1947 and is available on YouTube. Worth 8 1/2 minutes of anybody's life to watch it. Price played briefly in the majors when he was signed by Bill Veeck, mainly to provide entertainment before the game. Unfortunately he committed suicide in 1967 at the age of 55. But he was fun while he lasted. How about that! Good Sleuthing. Now I'm remembering the film WAS titled "Diamond Demon". Johnny Price, eh? Well, he had put in some time to perfect his tricks, and he deserved some recognition. Thanks for putting in that effort. It amazes me sometimes what others can find, even with limited information. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 8, 2023 19:44:20 GMT -5
BillyBones, I found the guy. His name is Johnny Price and the film is called "Diamond Demon." It was made in 1947 and is available on YouTube. Worth 8 1/2 minutes of anybody's life to watch it. Price played briefly in the majors when he was signed by Bill Veeck, mainly to provide entertainment before the game. Unfortunately he committed suicide in 1967 at the age of 55. But he was fun while he lasted. How about that! Good Sleuthing. Now I'm remembering the film WAS titled "Diamond Demon". Johnny Price, eh? Well, he had put in some time to perfect his tricks, and he deserved some recognition. Thanks for putting in that effort. It amazes me sometimes what others can find, even with limited information. Billy, Johnny Price had Billy Martin and Vince DiMaggio as teammates with Oakland that year, and Casey Stengel was his manager. |
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Post by inger on Sept 8, 2023 20:57:03 GMT -5
How about that! Good Sleuthing. Now I'm remembering the film WAS titled "Diamond Demon". Johnny Price, eh? Well, he had put in some time to perfect his tricks, and he deserved some recognition. Thanks for putting in that effort. It amazes me sometimes what others can find, even with limited information. Billy, Johnny Price had Billy Martin and Vince DiMaggio as teammates with Oakland that year, and Casey Stengel was his manager. What a group that was… |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 8, 2023 21:17:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply. I hoped someone might have seen this guy. If you remember that the vehicle he also threw and caught from was a WWII Jeep, then it was the same guy. You're right about many sports having their specialists in tricks. I like billiards, and the number of trick billiard shots are legendary. I spent a good deal of time learning systems of banking on a table in order to hit or make a shot. One of them involved 5 banks and making a ball at the 6th rail. Believe it or not, that came up in a tournament once where the 8 ball was close to a hole, but they had left me corner-hooked and there were some opponent balls still on the table to prevent a one or 3 rail kick at the 8 ball. But, in a rare piece of luck, the 5 rail shot was open, and in another rare piece of luck I made the 8 ball. I got a big round of applause, and some nice money, but the loser never congratulated me and quickly left. I got a lot of questions about how I knew that shot, but really if I hit the first rail at the right spot, and right speed, the geometry of the table was going to take the cue ball to that spot. I guess that all the "tricks" rely on something the player knows. I was going to look up anything about this baseball player, but can't find his last name. My guess is ther film is his legacy and claim to fame. Regards. BillyBones, I found the guy. His name is Johnny Price and the film is called "Diamond Demon." It was made in 1947 and is available on YouTube. Worth 8 1/2 minutes of anybody's life to watch it. Price played briefly in the majors when he was signed by Bill Veeck, mainly to provide entertainment before the game. Unfortunately he committed suicide in 1967 at the age of 55. But he was fun while he lasted. Nice sleuthing pipps! 🕵️♂️ |
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Post by BillyBones on Sept 8, 2023 23:09:48 GMT -5
Billy, Johnny Price had Billy Martin and Vince DiMaggio as teammates with Oakland that year, and Casey Stengel was his manager. What a group that was… Amen to that comment. After you identified him, I looked up more information. Price was evidently a trickster in several ways. One of his escapades was turning two 5 foot boa constrictors loose on the team train. I wonder if Casey found that funny. I don't know any Vince DiMaggio stories. I wonder if he was as serious as Joe. I found another film clip of Price that was made later than the Diamond film. It was much shorter, but had a few things. One never knows why a person takes their own life, but he may have had a large need for attention, and at the age of mid-50's may have felt despondent that life had passed him by. The Info said he played in 7 games with the Indians, apparently at shortstop. That's not a lot, but more than some others. I'm glad to know about him. |
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Post by inger on Sept 8, 2023 23:47:00 GMT -5
I’ll try to toss a little Vince DiMaggio into the pot…
"Vince DiMaggio was the oldest of the three baseball-player DiMaggio brothers. It was Vince who first gained attention from the minor leagues in 1932. He played in the class-D Arizona Texas League with the Tucson Lizards. He played a bulk of the season with the Lizards until he moved up to the double-A team in his hometown: the San Francisco Seals. Vince played with the Seals until 1936, when he was traded to the major league team, the Boston Bees (now known as the Atlanta Braves). Vince DiMaggio played in the major leagues for the next nine years, playing for the Boston Bees (1937-1938), the Cincinnati Reds (1939-1940), the Pittsburgh Pirates (1940-1944), the Philadelphia Phillies (1945-1946), and the New York Giants (1946). During his career, he was named to two all-star teams (1943 and 1944) and had a career batting average of .249. Watching Vince play in the minors inspired both Joe and Dom to participate in baseball seriously." - Martone, Eric. Author. Italian Americans: The History and Culture of a People...
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Post by inger on Sept 8, 2023 23:51:16 GMT -5
Although I’ve mentioned this here before, it’s worthy of a repeat considering gbe current subject matter:
Brothers With 100+ Career Home Runs Each
Rank Quantity Brother Duo
#1 486 Joe DiMaggio (361 HRs) & Vince DiMaggio (125 HRs)
#2 462 Justin Upton (298 HRs) & B.J. Upton (164 HRs)
#3 444 Ken Boyer (282 HRs) & Clete Boyer (162 HRs)
#4 378 Bret Boone (252 HRs) & Aaron Boone (126 HRs)
#5 322 Roberto Alomar (210 HRs) & Sandy Alomar, Jr. (112 HRs)
#6 262 Bob Meusel (156 HRs) & Irish Meusel (106 HRs)…
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Post by BillyBones on Sept 9, 2023 15:11:07 GMT -5
Although I’ve mentioned this here before, it’s worthy of a repeat considering gbe current subject matter: Brothers With 100+ Career Home Runs Each Rank Quantity Brother Duo #1 486 Joe DiMaggio (361 HRs) & Vince DiMaggio (125 HRs) #2 462 Justin Upton (298 HRs) & B.J. Upton (164 HRs) #3 444 Ken Boyer (282 HRs) & Clete Boyer (162 HRs) #4 378 Bret Boone (252 HRs) & Aaron Boone (126 HRs) #5 322 Roberto Alomar (210 HRs) & Sandy Alomar, Jr. (112 HRs) #6 262 Bob Meusel (156 HRs) & Irish Meusel (106 HRs)… Good information. Dom also hit a few, but I get your duo designation. I don't know if Cloyd Boyer ever hit any homers, but he is the only 3rd player I could think of that might have added to the two brothers total. For 3 brothers, which would have the most homers? I'm guessing the Alous, but it might have been the DiMaggios. |
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Post by inger on Sept 9, 2023 15:19:24 GMT -5
Although I’ve mentioned this here before, it’s worthy of a repeat considering gbe current subject matter: Brothers With 100+ Career Home Runs Each Rank Quantity Brother Duo #1 486 Joe DiMaggio (361 HRs) & Vince DiMaggio (125 HRs) #2 462 Justin Upton (298 HRs) & B.J. Upton (164 HRs) #3 444 Ken Boyer (282 HRs) & Clete Boyer (162 HRs) #4 378 Bret Boone (252 HRs) & Aaron Boone (126 HRs) #5 322 Roberto Alomar (210 HRs) & Sandy Alomar, Jr. (112 HRs) #6 262 Bob Meusel (156 HRs) & Irish Meusel (106 HRs)… Good information. Dom also hit a few, but I get your duo designation. I don't know if Cloyd Boyer ever hit any homers, but he is the only 3rd player I could think of that might have added to the two brothers total. For 3 brothers, which would have the most homers? I'm guessing the Alous, but it might have been the DiMaggios. I found this chart for single season combined brothers that extends to third brothers. Still working on the career acts. Of course the list I originally posted required the pair of brothers to each have a minimum of 100 career bombs. That eliminated Hank and Tommie Aaron… |
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Post by inger on Sept 9, 2023 15:22:39 GMT -5
FYI: Ken Griffey and Ken Griffey Jr still hold the record for Father & Son home runs in the same season.
26: Ken Sr. (4) and Ken Jr. (22), 1990
24: Ken Sr. (8) and Ken Jr. (16), 1989
23: Ken Sr. (1) and Ken Jr. (22), 1991
1: Tim Raines Sr. (1) and Tim Raines Jr. (0), 2001…
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Post by BillyBones on Sept 9, 2023 18:44:19 GMT -5
FYI: Ken Griffey and Ken Griffey Jr still hold the record for Father & Son home runs in the same season. 26: Ken Sr. (4) and Ken Jr. (22), 1990 24: Ken Sr. (8) and Ken Jr. (16), 1989 23: Ken Sr. (1) and Ken Jr. (22), 1991 1: Tim Raines Sr. (1) and Tim Raines Jr. (0), 2001… Amazing that any father/son combo would have played in the same season. One would have to start noticing girls early, it seems. I was quite backwards in that regard, it wasn't until I was older than most that I learned to appreciate their charms. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 10, 2023 11:51:11 GMT -5
Good information. Dom also hit a few, but I get your duo designation. I don't know if Cloyd Boyer ever hit any homers, but he is the only 3rd player I could think of that might have added to the two brothers total. For 3 brothers, which would have the most homers? I'm guessing the Alous, but it might have been the DiMaggios. I found this chart for single season combined brothers that extends to third brothers. Still working on the career acts. Of course the list I originally posted required the pair of brothers to each have a minimum of 100 career bombs. That eliminated Hank and Tommie Aaron… Inger, were JD and Stephen Drew on that list? JD had 242 home runs and Stephen had 123. There was a third Drew brother, Tim, who had a brief pitching career, but no homers to show for it. Eliminating Hank and Tommie Aaron also eliminates Dick (351), Hank (6) and Ron (1) Allen. Also the Cruz brothers Jose (165), Hector (39) and Tommy (0). Additionally there were three Paciorek brothers, none of whom hit 100 home runs -- Tom (86), Jim (2) and Joe (0). The five Delahanty brothers ended up with Ed (101), Jim (19), Frank (5), Joe (4) and Tom (0). They are the only quintet of brothers to ever play in the majors -- a record that is probably pretty safe. They had a sixth brother Willie who played in the minor leagues. |
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Post by inger on Sept 10, 2023 12:13:50 GMT -5
I found this chart for single season combined brothers that extends to third brothers. Still working on the career acts. Of course the list I originally posted required the pair of brothers to each have a minimum of 100 career bombs. That eliminated Hank and Tommie Aaron… Inger, were JD and Stephen Drew on that list? JD had 242 home runs and Stephen had 123. There was a third Drew brother, Tim, who had a brief pitching career, but no homers to show for it. Eliminating Hank and Tommie Aaron also eliminates Dick (351), Hank (6) and Ron (1) Allen. Also the Cruz brothers Jose (165), Hector (39) and Tommy (0). Additionally there were three Paciorek brothers, none of whom hit 100 home runs -- Tom (86), Jim (2) and Joe (0). The five Delahanty brothers ended up with Ed (101), Jim (19), Frank (5), Joe (4) and Tom (0). They are the only quintet of brothers to ever play in the majors -- a record that is probably pretty safe. They had a sixth brother Willie who played in the minor leagues. Nice catch on the Drew brothers. If I recall they also had a third brother in the game. I remember reporters mentioning a Nancy Drew. 🤓 Odd, none of young inger’s brothers had any real interest in baseball. At least Lloyd, the eldest brother, with whom (many English sources now say the “m” is no longer required) I lived along with my mother and sister, did take an interest when his boys got to little league age. I was a teen when they were littles and I passed along my skills and my love for the Yankees. All he had to do was go to the games, root, and learn to have an occasional catch with them. By then I was gone and married. My brother Wayne had and still has at 77 an obsession with his volunteer fire company. There is being a member and then there’s ignoring your family and volunteering over everything else. One year, their eldest son decided he wanted to play little league and they invite me over to give him some tips. He was not salvageable. Anyway, inger siblings: Inger HR. Like Josh Gibson. We’ll never know. Older brothers- 0 Nephews Lloyd, Jr. And Gary hit their share. They’re only 5’7” and 5’3” as adults, but they could impact the ball pretty well… |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 10, 2023 20:00:49 GMT -5
Just to pick up on the bird chatter from the game thread -- definitely miscellany, and one of my favorite topics. Yes, doves and pigeons all belong to the order columbidae, they are the same family. The common names dove and pigeon are just arbitrary, and what we call the pigeon (or rock dove) is just an urbanized and less desirable brother of the mourning dove or the white-winged dove or the ground dove, to name a few of the more common ones in the US. The extinct passenger pigeon -- the last one died in 1914, even though as late as the mid-nineteenth century they were more numerous than pigeons -- looked a lot like a mourning dove, but with a redder breast.
Yep, ravens are larger than crows as Inger noted. They are rarely seen in the Eastern US, mostly west of the Mississippi. Unlike crows, they have a distinctive croak rather than a caw, and they also have a kind of goatee hanging from their neck. Also unlike crows they normally travel in pairs rather than in large groups looking to pick a fight like crows do. There is one other common US crow, the fish crow, which is normally only along the Atlantic Coast and Gulf Coast. They are smaller than crows and their call is more of a nasal honk.
Crows, jays and magpies are all in the order corvidae. They are probably the most intelligent of all bird families and they have an elaborate language of sounds that ornithologists spend a lot of time studying. One trait they all seem to have in common is that they are rather aggressive, at least compared to most bird families, and love to gang up on birds of prey like hawks and owls.
And the business about buzzards. This is another area where the common name, which in the US is often applied to vultures, is misleading. Actual buzzards belong to the order buteo, which in the US includes well-known hawks like the red-tailed hawk, broad-winged hawk, red-shouldered hawk and ferruginous hawk. Vultures in the US include the turkey vulture (most common), black vulture and California condor (very rare.) One of the most amazing things about a turkey vulture is that it can smell dead meat from as much as eight miles away. They're ugly and have disgusting habits like vomiting as a defense mechanism, but they do a lot of good by getting rid of the rotting carcasses of dead critters.
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Post by kaybli on Sept 10, 2023 20:03:23 GMT -5
Just to pick up on the bird chatter from the game thread -- definitely miscellany, and one of my favorite topics. Yes, doves and pigeons all belong to the order columbidae, they are the same family. The common names dove and pigeon are just arbitrary, and what we call the pigeon (or rock dove) is just an urbanized and less desirable brother of the mourning dove or the white-winged dove or the ground dove, to name a few of the more common ones in the US. The extinct passenger pigeon -- the last one died in 1914, even though as late as the mid-nineteenth century they were more numerous than pigeons -- looked a lot like a mourning dove, but with a redder breast. Yep, ravens are larger than crows as Inger noted. They are rarely seen in the Eastern US, mostly west of the Mississippi. Unlike crows, they have a distinctive croak rather than a caw, and they also have a kind of goatee hanging from their neck. Also unlike crows they normally travel in pairs rather than in large groups looking to pick a fight like crows do. There is one other common US crow, the fish crow, which is normally only along the Atlantic Coast and Gulf Coast. They are smaller than crows and their call is more of a nasal honk. Crows, jays and magpies are all in the order corvidae. They are probably the most intelligent of all bird families and they have an elaborate language of sounds that ornithologists spend a lot of time studying. One trait they all seem to have in common is that they are rather aggressive, at least compared to most bird families, and love to gang up on birds of prey like hawks and owls. And the business about buzzards. This is another area where the common name, which in the US is often applied to vultures, is misleading. Actual buzzards belong to the order buteo, which in the US includes well-known hawks like the red-tailed hawk, broad-winged hawk, red-shouldered hawk and ferruginous hawk. Vultures in the US include the turkey vulture (most common), black vulture and California condor (very rare.) One of the most amazing things about a turkey vulture is that it can smell dead meat from as much as eight miles away. They're ugly and have disgusting habits like vomiting as a defense mechanism, but they do a lot of good by getting rid of the rotting carcasses of dead critters. That post was for the birds. Just kidding pipps.  |
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