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Post by hawaiiyankee on Dec 4, 2019 16:00:05 GMT -5
I started off asking about Corbin because he did pretty well but not sure if he would've been a difference maker in us winning it all last year. People were skeptical if he could maintain his 2018 stats. Deleted all I wrote and decided to talk about Scherzer instead as I just read an article about the Yankees going after Gerritt Cole and in the article it said if the Yankees signed Scherzer we might've had another 2 titles right now. I gotta go look for that article so I can link it.
Now his contract was huge but he was only 29 at the time and the contract was for 7 years. The contract makes this a tougher question to answer but having a couple of titles would've been worth it.
I'm hoping we give up the farm to sign Gerritt Cole.
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Post by hawaiiyankee on Dec 4, 2019 16:51:07 GMT -5
Here's the article I read. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28157320/cole-lindor-rendon-realistic-guide-yankees-offseasonSixteen players have signed for $100 million-plus, none of them landing with the Yankees. The $100 million pitchers the Yankees didn't sign: Max Scherzer, Jon Lester, David Price, Zack Greinke, Johnny Cueto, Jordan Zimmermann, Yu Darvish and Patrick Corbin. Certainly a mixed bag there, but with Scherzer in pinstripes, maybe the Yankees win it all in 2017 and 2019. |
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Post by inger on Dec 4, 2019 17:32:32 GMT -5
The rear view mirror is always a dangerous place to look. You see that little message on there that says “Objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear”? That’s there to warn you of the fact that mirrors have poor perspective.
If you add Scherzer to the rosters we had, then sure. He might have been the difference maker. MIGHT have. No assurances, mind you. Then you have to look at the rest of the team to utilize your imagination to see who was on the roster during those seasons that would NOT have been there if we spent that money on Scherzer. Who would have provided that depth we need in 2019?.
You have posed an unanswerable query. It’s best we think of today, with an eye to the future...
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Post by kaybli on Dec 4, 2019 17:51:16 GMT -5
I mean sure in retrospect it would have been nice to sign Scherzer. Just remember though when he signed he had a 3.58 ERA in seven seasons with Arizona and Detroit. And he got a record contract at that time. For what its worth, we chose to sign Tanaka the year before.
Now, you mentioned that we didn't sign these 100 million dollar pitchers: Max Scherzer, Jon Lester, David Price, Zack Greinke, Johnny Cueto, Jordan Zimmermann, Yu Darvish and Patrick Corbin. The jury is still out on Corbin, but besides for Scherzer I don't know if it would have been wise to sign any of those other guys. So you can always play the what if game with free agents and there's bound to be a few misses you'd like to have signed. But on the other end imagine being stuck with Price or Darvish's contract? Still, I think the Yankees should go after Cole hard this year. He's a proven ace and his acquisition would really help put us over the top. We'll see what happens this offseason.
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 4, 2019 17:55:43 GMT -5
Yes, we should have signed Scherzer.
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 4, 2019 18:08:36 GMT -5
Yes, we should have signed Scherzer. Way to get to the bottom line, Rizz. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 4, 2019 18:17:44 GMT -5
Just to elaborate a bit on Scherzer-- it's not like I was some soothsayer clamoring for the Yankees to sign him. I thought at the time Washington was way overpaying for him.
I was wrong, of course, as I am at least 50 percent of the time (probably more like 75 percent.) I just figure guys with a lot more info than me get paid a lot of money to make these decisions.
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Post by inger on Dec 4, 2019 18:39:31 GMT -5
Yes, we should have signed Scherzer. Way to get to the bottom line, Rizz. In a vacuum, yes. As a fan, with no responsibility for the fiscal responsibility the Yankee ownership has demanded, yes...But, it’s sure worked out well for Washington...yes... (: |
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 4, 2019 21:24:46 GMT -5
Yes, we should have signed Scherzer. Way to get to the bottom line, Rizz. lol, no B.S. from Rizz, he just answered the question. |
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Post by inger on Dec 4, 2019 21:42:01 GMT -5
Way to get to the bottom line, Rizz. lol, no B.S. from Rizz, he just answered the question. He was right, too. Scherzer was at his best, and he’s remained there to this point. But, I’m cool with the fact that we can’t have everybody. If we did, there’d be no one to play against. We’d have to reinvent as the Harlem Globetrotters of baseball. We’d be traveling to play against fat mayors, logging companies, and the boys down at the quarry. Once in a while, we’d probably still run into an occasional quarry worker with a good arm that would shut us down. Why? Cause, that’s baseball, my friends. That’s just how it goes. Even John and Susan can’t figure it out. How can we?... (: |
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Post by inger on Dec 4, 2019 22:48:04 GMT -5
Here’s something cool about Scherzer. His number one career comp is none other than Ron Guidry. On a sadder note, after age 34 Guidry went 16-23.
The point being that when the skills erode, the effectiveness often fades gradually. When injuries strike at that age, things can go south in a hurry...
BTW, Tim Hudson is Scherzer’s no. #1 comp at age 34...
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Post by inger on Dec 4, 2019 22:55:33 GMT -5
More after 30 late bloomers. Max Butcher, Mike Scott, Ryan Dempster. All posted much better marks after 30, with Scott and Dempster really not taking off until age 31...
Add Curt Davis, who was a 30 year old rookie who stuck for 13 years and won 156. And our buddy Al Leiter belongs.
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 6, 2019 0:48:43 GMT -5
Real pitching talent is rare and undeniable. Scherzer is a strikeout pitcher with low walk totals, and he’s a horse with two different eye colors. Tell me that isn’t rare? Okay, I may have strayed a bit. Still, a power pitcher with filthy stuff who throws 200 innings about to turn 28 years old with zero red flags: Of course (especially if you are the New York Yankees), you sign Scherzer for the 2015 season. Same with Garrit Cole right now. And, these are big lads who do not lose velocity after 100 pitches. You just helped save your bullpen for the playoffs.
In 2014, we had one Yankee pitcher start more than 20 games: Hiroki Kuroda, and he was returning to Japan. Sabathia was coming off an injury. Tanaka had only 20 MLB starts. Vidal Nuno III was tied for fourth with 14 starts. David Phelps was third with 17 starts. Pineda was coming off two and a half years of injury. Scherzer was the play to make, just like Cole is right now. These type of guys are not available every year, maybe once or twice a decade. This is not Corbin or Vasquez or Burnett or Eovaldi or even Paxton. Cole, like Scherzer in 2014, is a proven commodity. More like a Roy Halladay in 2005 with more strikeouts. Get it done!
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