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Post by chiyankee on Dec 20, 2019 17:16:14 GMT -5
Admittedly, I didn't watch many 2019 games due to my "situation." Was Torres THAT bad at SS? The limited time I saw him I thought he was pretty good... Certainly had more range than Jeter. The mistakes I saw, mostly at 2B, were mental not physical.. it seemed. I think the Yanks will be fine with Torres at SS. He won't win any gold gloves and he's probably a slight downgrade from DiDi, but he's good enough. |
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Post by inger on Dec 20, 2019 17:16:46 GMT -5
Admittedly, I didn't watch many 2019 games due to my "situation." Was Torres THAT bad at SS? The limited time I saw him I thought he was pretty good... Certainly had more range than Jeter. The mistakes I saw, mostly at 2B, were mental not physical.. it seemed. He wasn’t “that bad”. He played like a talented 22 year old that needed a bit more experience. Most SS settle down, learn when to eat the ball, etc.. If I could forecast his career, I’d expect him to become a very good SS for a few seasons, perhaps until age 28-30 when he may need to transition to a less demanding position due to a bulkier frame. If we don’t pick up another SS, I’ll be excited to watch his progress this year. I started the poll out of curiosity after reading some articles speculating that the Yanks were chasing after Lindor. I think that is more a writer’s fantasy than a reality given what the cost for Lindor would be... |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 20, 2019 18:39:45 GMT -5
Admittedly, I didn't watch many 2019 games due to my "situation." Was Torres THAT bad at SS? The limited time I saw him I thought he was pretty good... Certainly had more range than Jeter. The mistakes I saw, mostly at 2B, were mental not physical.. it seemed. Torres is serviceable at shortstop at this point. As for range, he doesn’t come in on slow rollers as well as Jeter; he doesn’t have Jeter’s range going backwards on fly pops, and he doesn’t appear to go as deep in the hole and still make the throw on time, but he does move better to his left than Jeter did. Obviously, I’m not talking about 38 year old Jeter. Jeter was not the defensive liability his detractors imagined. He was no Omar Vizquel but few were. Torres is better than Didi applying tags and keeping his balance around the bag. Torres’ biggest defensive problem is the occasional loss of focus, leading to mishandling of routine grounders and easy thrown balls clanging off his glove. |
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Post by kaybli on Dec 21, 2019 2:00:43 GMT -5
Admittedly, I didn't watch many 2019 games due to my "situation." Was Torres THAT bad at SS? The limited time I saw him I thought he was pretty good... Certainly had more range than Jeter. The mistakes I saw, mostly at 2B, were mental not physical.. it seemed. Torres is serviceable at shortstop at this point. As for range, he doesn’t come in on slow rollers as well as Jeter; he doesn’t have Jeter’s range going backwards on fly pops, and he doesn’t appear to go as deep in the hole and still make the throw on time, but he does move better to his left than Jeter did. Obviously, I’m not talking about 38 year old Jeter. Jeter was not the defensive liability his detractors imagined. He was no Omar Vizquel but few were. Torres is better than Didi applying tags and keeping his balance around the bag. Torres’ biggest defensive problem is the occasional loss of focus, leading to mishandling of routine grounders and easy thrown balls clanging off his glove. Great scouting report Rizz!  |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 21, 2019 9:37:17 GMT -5
Admittedly, I didn't watch many 2019 games due to my "situation." Was Torres THAT bad at SS? The limited time I saw him I thought he was pretty good... Certainly had more range than Jeter. The mistakes I saw, mostly at 2B, were mental not physical.. it seemed. Torres is serviceable at shortstop at this point. As for range, he doesn’t come in on slow rollers as well as Jeter; he doesn’t have Jeter’s range going backwards on fly pops, and he doesn’t appear to go as deep in the hole and still make the throw on time, but he does move better to his left than Jeter did. Obviously, I’m not talking about 38 year old Jeter. Jeter was not the defensive liability his detractors imagined. He was no Omar Vizquel but few were. Torres is better than Didi applying tags and keeping his balance around the bag. Torres’ biggest defensive problem is the occasional loss of focus, leading to mishandling of routine grounders and easy thrown balls clanging off his glove. I think he has similar range to Jeter, average at best, and it probably won't get better given his size. He has a very strong arm. I think he'll be a below average defensive SS, but nevertheless with DJ available to play 2B, it makes good sense to play him at SS. Like Jeter, I think he's smart enough and athletic enough that he can certainly be good enough to play the position without hurting the team with defense. Estrada and Wade both are much better defensive SSs but the goal is to have both DJ and Gleyber in the lineup with DJ at 2B where he's among the best in the league. I don't think Gleyber will stick at SS for very long if he continues to get bigger and stronger, but that's fine. In a year we might be without DJLM, sadly, and he can slide back to 2B. |
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Post by noetsi on Dec 23, 2019 12:49:32 GMT -5
I don't think there are many good options. What better options are there than a DP combo of DJ & Torres? Someone who had played SS well recently. |
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 23, 2019 13:49:50 GMT -5
What better options are there than a DP combo of DJ & Torres? Someone who had played SS well recently. Yeah, that would be Gleyber Torres. It's not like he's a liability at SS. |
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Post by inger on Dec 23, 2019 15:14:03 GMT -5
Someone who had played SS well recently. Yeah, that would be Gleyber Torres. It's not like he's a liability at SS. If you wait until a young player to “grow” into a SS without letting him play there, he’ll never get there. There are some faults, mostly minor things connected to youth and inexperience... Russ, since you say Torres doesn’t play SS too well, could you please give us your view of what he lacks and why? Also, since the vote is 9-0 in favor of Torres you are either abstaining or have forgotten to vote... |
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Post by noetsi on Dec 23, 2019 16:00:36 GMT -5
I did not vote. I am not qualified to judge someone's qualifications. My point is that he has not shown to those who can make such assessments he will be a good SS. Given comments on this thread a lot of others have doubts on this score themselves.  |
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Post by inger on Dec 23, 2019 18:11:16 GMT -5
I did not vote. I am not qualified to judge someone's qualifications. My point is that he has not shown to those who can make such assessments he will be a good SS. Given comments on this thread a lot of others have doubts on this score themselves. You’ve apparently read a lot between the lines... |
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Post by inger on Feb 6, 2020 1:58:30 GMT -5
Good to read that Torres has gotten an early start on his fielding drills this year. He said that he’s heard the talk that he needs to improve and wants to do so.
I think he’s showing the maturity he needs to slow the game down. His age is right to take that step. He now has 98 MLB games at SS behind him, plus an acquired knowledge of his partner at the keystone due to having been pushed to 2B after playing SS for most of his MiLB career.
Now that the issue is settled, Didi is gone, the position is his, I believe we’re going to find that Gleyber is going to settle in to play his best at SS. We don’t know if he’ll stay there for a decade or if he’ll age out early, but we know he can play a pretty decent 2B if that day comes. Let’s enjoy the next five years before we even begin to worry about that...
G. Torres, SS...
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