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Post by inger on Jan 26, 2020 18:37:54 GMT -5
Well, sure. Other people died in this thing. The unfortunate thing about dying with a famous person is that you become a footnote. If you happen to be a relative then you become noted. Other than that it must be horrible to be related to folks identified as “two other people” who would seem from that to be of no significant value... |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 26, 2020 18:46:06 GMT -5
Also Aaron Judge’s coach
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Post by inger on Jan 26, 2020 19:22:31 GMT -5
quick assumption that he may be related to Joe Altobelli who caught in the mid sixties, spent a lot of time coaching and managing in MLB? A bit of a guess, but there can’t be millions of Altobellis in the world... |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 27, 2020 8:01:46 GMT -5
Well, sure. Other people died in this thing. The unfortunate thing about dying with a famous person is that you become a footnote. If you happen to be a relative then you become noted. Other than that it must be horrible to be related to folks identified as “two other people” who would seem from that to be of no significant value... The thing that’s very weird is the way the death of one person is viewed by the public so differently than the others because he was good at playing basketball. I don’t care about basketball and he never meant anything to me as an at athlete/celebrity so I think I experienced that news in an impartial manner - several people with families died tragically and he was one of them. The equally weird part about yesterday’s news is how his history of extremely inappropriate personal conduct is somehow erased from the narrative about him. That’s really strange to me. He’s not the only famous person to receive that benefit for whatever reason, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. There’s a lot of ground between vilifying someone for their actions and completely ignoring it but our society doesn’t seem to be comfortable anywhere in between. I think I’ll leave it at that. |
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Post by desousa on Jan 27, 2020 9:08:26 GMT -5
Well, sure. Other people died in this thing. The unfortunate thing about dying with a famous person is that you become a footnote. If you happen to be a relative then you become noted. Other than that it must be horrible to be related to folks identified as “two other people” who would seem from that to be of no significant value... The thing that’s very weird is the way the death of one person is viewed by the public so differently than the others because he was good at playing basketball. I don’t care about basketball and he never meant anything to me as an at athlete/celebrity so I think I experienced that news in an impartial manner - several people with families died tragically and he was one of them. The equally weird part about yesterday’s news is how his history of extremely inappropriate personal conduct is somehow erased from the narrative about him. That’s really strange to me. He’s not the only famous person to receive that benefit for whatever reason, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. There’s a lot of ground between vilifying someone for their actions and completely ignoring it but our society doesn’t seem to be comfortable anywhere in between. I think I’ll leave it at that. I'm not an NBA or Kobe fan, so I felt the same way. The first thing to come to my mind when I heard was what happened in Colorado. The only celebrity/sport star the I ever shed a tear for was Mickey Mantle. I was sitting in a bar with another Yankee fan when we heard about Thurman Munson, so we got hammered instead of crying. |
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Post by inger on Jan 27, 2020 10:42:04 GMT -5
The thing that’s very weird is the way the death of one person is viewed by the public so differently than the others because he was good at playing basketball. I don’t care about basketball and he never meant anything to me as an at athlete/celebrity so I think I experienced that news in an impartial manner - several people with families died tragically and he was one of them. The equally weird part about yesterday’s news is how his history of extremely inappropriate personal conduct is somehow erased from the narrative about him. That’s really strange to me. He’s not the only famous person to receive that benefit for whatever reason, but it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. There’s a lot of ground between vilifying someone for their actions and completely ignoring it but our society doesn’t seem to be comfortable anywhere in between. I think I’ll leave it at that. I'm not an NBA or Kobe fan, so I felt the same way. The first thing to come to my mind when I heard was what happened in Colorado. The only celebrity/sport star the I ever shed a tear for was Mickey Mantle. I was sitting in a bar with another Yankee fan when we heard about Thurman Munson, so we got hammered instead of crying. Another note is that fame and wealth lead to a life of privilege which can also add to the risks one will take in life. Face it, in the average American family we don’t have the option that dad and one of the kids will just jump in a chopper and run out to watch a basketball practice, so we are never going to be on that flight. I’ve only flown in a chopper once, and in that case I was fortunate enough to be the guest of a buyer that came to our business and offered us a ten or fifteen minute flight. I would bet the Bryant’s have hopped one many more times... |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 28, 2020 22:18:08 GMT -5
Nice move by Cole.
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 29, 2020 1:04:39 GMT -5
Perhaps I’ve been desensitized to death and dying, but I reacted to the news with no shock. Surprise, but not shock. However, there is something viscerally and fundamentally illogical when children are involved - it just should not be.
Kobe Bryant was arguably the most gifted and tenacious basketball player ever. NBA-ready at 17 years old? Unbelievable. Continually worked every offseason to improve. Admirable. BUT, the rape allegations in Colorado and subsequent payoff cannot be ignored when discussing his overall legacy. Did that temper my reaction? More than likely.
I do remember crying hard when Munson died...August 2, 1979.
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Post by inger on Jan 29, 2020 11:10:29 GMT -5
Perhaps I’ve been desensitized to death and dying, but I reacted to the news with no shock. Surprise, but not shock. However, there is something viscerally and fundamentally illogical when children are involved - it just should not be. Kobe Bryant was arguably the most gifted and tenacious basketball player ever. NBA-ready at 17 years old? Unbelievable. Continually worked every offseason to improve. Admirable. BUT, the rape allegations in Colorado and subsequent payoff cannot be ignored when discussing his overall legacy. Did that temper my reaction? More than likely. I do remember crying hard when Munson died...August 2, 1979. The death of Payne Stewart and the people with him on his jet had much more of an safest on me than this one. Just the eeriness of the way they died, knowing no danger existed with the possible exception of a few quiet moments just before perishing and continuing to fly across a silent sky. I was brought to the brink of tears by the death of Joe Cocker. Knowing how much influence he had on the music that I love, I felt a deep appreciation of what he was leaving behind. I met him briefly and had the briefest of exchange of pleasantries with him. Then went back a few years after his passing and had lunch in his old cafe, finding that his widow had sold it and the mansion and moved back to her native California was sort of sad. I recall his eyes as being peaceful, yet a bit fearful and sad. He wanted to be alone where he was And I happened along, so other than a few quick words I continued on my way. When I glanced back, he had disappeared in almost a ghostly fashion. Kobe had no such affect on me. I hate to here of the death of anyone, but dying is just something we all have to do... |
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