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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 27, 2023 14:48:26 GMT -5
Hey inger -- I wanted to reply to a music-related post you made on the Christmas thread, but didn't want to bump that one up again. Thanks for reminding me of Sniff 'n' The Tears "Driver's Seat." I hadn't thought about that one in ages. Nice song. I thought that lead singer sounded a bit like Al Stewart, at least on that one. That came out in September 1979. I very specifically remember it because I spent that week working in Wellesley MA and I can recall hearing it as I commuted from my hotel to the company I was working with. Here is what was playing on the mainstream radio at that exact same time, just to place it in perspective. "Sad Eyes" by Robert John. "Sail On" by The Commodores. "After The Love Is Gone" by Earth, Wind and Fire. "My Sharona" by The Knack. "Bad Case Of Loving You" by Robert Palmer. "Don't Bring Me Down" by ELO. "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" by Charlie Daniels Band. "Cruel To Be Kind" by Nick Lowe. "Lonesome Loser" by The Little River Band. "Pop Muzik" by M. The inescapable "Rise" by Herb Alpert. And a new release of a song that would become historic a few years later as the first-ever video on MTV, "Video Killed The Radio Star" by The Buggles. It was a pretty eclectic time in music, with disco on the wane but not quite dead -- it just occurred to me that Donna Summer was still churning out hits with "Dim All The Lights" at that time. I recently watched a clip of The Buggles doing their song live from a concert in 2004. I was amazed at how good they sounded and how true to the recording they were. Of course they had about 50 musicians on the stage to get that sound.
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Post by inger on Dec 27, 2023 15:58:01 GMT -5
Hey inger -- I wanted to reply to a music-related post you made on the Christmas thread, but didn't want to bump that one up again. Thanks for reminding me of Sniff 'n' The Tears "Driver's Seat." I hadn't thought about that one in ages. Nice song. I thought that lead singer sounded a bit like Al Stewart, at least on that one. That came out in September 1979. I very specifically remember it because I spent that week working in Wellesley MA and I can recall hearing it as I commuted from my hotel to the company I was working with. Here is what was playing on the mainstream radio at that exact same time, just to place it in perspective. "Sad Eyes" by Robert John. "Sail On" by The Commodores. "After The Love Is Gone" by Earth, Wind and Fire. "My Sharona" by The Knack. "Bad Case Of Loving You" by Robert Palmer. "Don't Bring Me Down" by ELO. "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" by Charlie Daniels Band. "Cruel To Be Kind" by Nick Lowe. "Lonesome Loser" by The Little River Band. "Pop Muzik" by M. The inescapable "Rise" by Herb Alpert. And a new release of a song that would become historic a few years later as the first-ever video on MTV, "Video Killed The Radio Star" by The Buggles. It was a pretty eclectic time in music, with disco on the wane but not quite dead -- it just occurred to me that Donna Summer was still churning out hits with "Dim All The Lights" at that time. I recently watched a clip of The Buggles doing their song live from a concert in 2004. I was amazed at how good they sounded and how true to the recording they were. Of course they had about 50 musicians on the stage to get that sound. Ironically, one of the reasons I made mention of “Driver’s Seat” was because I felt it to be an extremely forgotten song that just happened to be right there on the tube in front of me. I thought it might rouse someone’s hippocampus to spark. Speaking of being “true to the record” I recently saw a video of the Raspberries 50th anniversary and Eric Carmen can definitively still “Go All The Way”. He (and the band) still rocked it out of the house… Before her love, I was cruel and mean I had a hole in the place where my heart should have been But now I've changed and it feels so strange I come alive when she does all those things to me And she says (Come on) "Come on (Come on) (Come on) Come on (Come on) I need you (Come on), I love you (Come on) I need you (Come on)" (Come on) …
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Post by fwclipper51 on Dec 27, 2023 17:18:53 GMT -5
I have enjoyed listening to rock music since 1957. I grew in Central Jersey (New Brunswick area), we were able to pick up both Philly (WBIG, WDAS and WFIL) and New York AM rock and roll stations (WINS, WMCA and WABC) Song Titles are not copyrighted, whereas the lyrics and music are: hence mix up with Garret Mimms and Ira Thomas songs. I did follow Scott Muni and Murray the K from AM to FM band in 1967 to WOR-FM, then moved to WNEW-FM. The WABC format was Top 14 songs and 7 new ones, added to the playlist each week, with one of them being the "Pick Hit of the Week." WABC was a clear channel station that could be heard in Florida. WMCA had a weak signal at 570 at night, decent one in the day. WINS gave up music format to go all news, when their owners Westinghouse Broadcasting decided to go that format. Clipper We were listening to the same stuff, Clipper. I was one of those guys who bought Murray The K's "Gassers For Submarine Race Watchers" compilation albums. It was heartbreaking when 1010 WINS went to an all-news format in 1965, the first 50,000 watt station in the US to do so. Philly followed the next year with 1060 KYW. The great Alan Freed was a jock at WINS, and Mel Allen hosted a musical program on there in the late 1940s. I couldn't get WOR-FM in my neck of the woods, but whenever I wandered into North Jersey or NYC I could listen to Murray and Scottso. Murray got into the progressive end of rock after he left WINS and I recall him pushing a very unusual baroque-rock song called "My World Fell Down" by Sagittarius who were in reality Glen Campbell, Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys and other LA sessions musicians. You would never have known that was Campbell singing lead. I jumped on that one and brought a copy back to Philly to be The First Kid On My Block (remember that designation?) to know about it. WABC, despite its lousy playlist format, just sounded like the Big City with that echoing background and those time chimes. Endless ads for Castro Convertibles and Palisades Park ("it's fun, so come on over.") Between those ads and the Freddy Cannon song about it (written by Chuck Barris as I am sure you know) it became a must-see destination for me. It was like gazing upon the Great Pyramids when I finally made it (five roller coasters! The world's largest salt-water pool!) but it had a quick demise. Philly had great radio. WIBG 990 was the best, very eclectic. Don't know if you remember jocks like Hy Lit and Joe Niagara. They ruled the Philly rock scene until WFIL became a rock station in 1966, but I always favored Wibbage (as it was called.) There were also two outstanding black music stations, WDAS (Georgie Woods, the guy with the goods) and WHAT (Lloyd Fat Man and The Geator with The Heater, Jerry Blavat) where I was able to get my minimum daily requirements of soul and R&B that the mainstream stations didn't play. I felt like all the bases were covered, whether I wanted Jan and Dean or James Brown. And they were good buddies, by the way. Loved each other's music. Musicians are way more open-minded about different types of music than the public in general. There's a story about Charlie Parker going into a bar and listening to Hank Williams and remarking "now that is soul music." Don't know if you hit the Jersey shore in your youth -- from where you lived it was probably Atlantic City up to Asbury Park, for me it was Atlantic City to Cape May -- but maybe you remember WMID 1450 in Atlantic City. It was kind of a junior version of WABC, limited playlist just right for kids sitting on their beach blankets with the tinny transistors barely audible above the sound of the surf. In Wildwood we had WCMC, only 1,000 watts but boy did it blast over about a 30 square-block area that included the hotel my grandparents had there, two blocks from the boardwalk. At night you could get the big rock blowtorches like WKBW in Buffalo and WLS in Chicago and CKLW in Windsor, Ontario. At times WBZ in Boston and WCFL in Chicago went to a rock format. AM radio was so great in those days. Much less electronic interference to contend with, plus every station had its own local formatting. Not syndicated stuff like today, when you go down the AM dial at night and the only thing you can hear on station after station is "Coast To Coast." I hung out on Long Beach Island during the 1960s, where we had both NYC and Philadelphia radio stations. In early 1970s, I did work with DJ Joey Reynolds at local radio station WHLW in Lakewood, NJ, what a nut! They had a great Goldies station on 98.1 in Philly, which dropped the early music years from the 1950-1970, now its 1980-1990s music. The death of WOR-FM in 1967 by Bill Drake's oldies format takeover was a crying shame. Thank God, for WNEW-FM with Murray the K, Rosco, Scott Muni and Allison "Nightbird" Steele. Every time that I hear Bob Lin's "Elusive Butterfly" I think of Scott Muni's shows on WOR and WNEW-FM, it was his closing show song. Some of the radio stations that you wrote about were clear channel stations no other stations were around their frequency; the nearest 770 AM station was in Dallas, TX, then Seattle, WA. Clipper
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 27, 2023 17:36:13 GMT -5
I hung out on Long Beach Island during the 1960s, where we had both NYC and Philadelphia radio stations. In early 1970s, I did work with DJ Joey Reynolds at local radio station WHLW in Lakewood, NJ, what a nut! They had a great Goldies station on 98.1 in Philly, which dropped the early music years from the 1950-1970, now its 1980-1990s music. The death of WOR-FM in 1967 by Bill Drake's oldies format takeover was a crying shame. Thank God, for WNEW-FM with Murray the K, Rosco, Scott Muni and Allison "Nightbird" Steele. Every time that I hear Bob Lin's "Elusive Butterfly" I think of Scott Muni's shows on WOR and WNEW-FM, it was his closing show song. Some of the radio stations that you wrote about were clear channel stations no other stations were around their frequency; the nearest 770 AM station was in Dallas, TX, then Seattle, WA. Clipper OMG Joey Reynolds. I listened to him religiously when he was on WKBW in Buffalo in the early 60s. I still have my membership card for the Royal Order Of The Night People that he ran back then. Also the Rat Finks which used the artwork of Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. I even have his records he did with fellow KB jock Danny Neaverth -- "Rats In My Room" and "Underwater Surfers." For awhile he dated a Philly singer named Diane Renay who had a hit "Navy Blue." She even did a song about him called "Waitin' For Joey." The Four Seasons used to sing his show intro to the tune of "Big Girls Don't Cry." Joey Pinto is his real name as I'm sure you know. What a creative guy! I met him one time through a mutual friend in the radio business. He was hilarious. I envy you working for him. He used to be really heavy, but worked hard to take off that weight. In the early 80s he was working in Philly for awhile, and I remember him having a talk show on WOR, but he was too constrained in that format. Yes, 98.1 WOGL used to be a great oldies station, especially Sunday nights with Harvey Holliday who played all the great R&B and doo wop songs you rarely heard elsewhere. When he was going to play something really rare he would "go into Mama's closet" to dig out the record. Great memories Clipper. You are the man!! Did you know that Bob Lind, he of the sensitive singer-songwriter "Elusive Butterfly" later became editor of the trash tabloid "Weekly World News"? All those stories about Martians and Bat Boy were coming from him. A Baltimore guy. From Baltimore at that same time came the wonderful Royalettes ("It's Gonna Take A Miracle") and the now-forgotten balladeer Ronnie Dove ("One Kiss For Old Time's Sake.") Joey Reynolds. Holy Cow, that made my day.
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Post by fwclipper51 on Dec 27, 2023 18:06:53 GMT -5
I hung out on Long Beach Island during the 1960s, where we had both NYC and Philadelphia radio stations. In early 1970s, I did work with DJ Joey Reynolds at local radio station WHLW in Lakewood, NJ, what a nut! They had a great Goldies station on 98.1 in Philly, which dropped the early music years from the 1950-1970, now its 1980-1990s music. The death of WOR-FM in 1967 by Bill Drake's oldies format takeover was a crying shame. Thank God, for WNEW-FM with Murray the K, Rosco, Scott Muni and Allison "Nightbird" Steele. Every time that I hear Bob Lin's "Elusive Butterfly" I think of Scott Muni's shows on WOR and WNEW-FM, it was his closing show song. Some of the radio stations that you wrote about were clear channel stations no other stations were around their frequency; the nearest 770 AM station was in Dallas, TX, then Seattle, WA. Clipper OMG Joey Reynolds. I listened to him religiously when he was on WKBW in Buffalo in the early 60s. I still have my membership card for the Royal Order Of The Night People that he ran back then. Also the Rat Finks which used the artwork of Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. I even have his records he did with fellow KB jock Danny Neaverth -- "Rats In My Room" and "Underwater Surfers." For awhile he dated a Philly singer named Diane Renay who had a hit "Navy Blue." She even did a song about him called "Waitin' For Joey." The Four Seasons used to sing his show intro to the tune of "Big Girls Don't Cry." Joey Pinto is his real name as I'm sure you know. What a creative guy! I met him one time through a mutual friend in the radio business. He was hilarious. I envy you working for him. He used to be really heavy, but worked hard to take off that weight. In the early 80s he was working in Philly for awhile, and I remember him having a talk show on WOR, but he was too constrained in that format. Yes, 98.1 WOGL used to be a great oldies station, especially Sunday nights with Harvey Holliday who played all the great R&B and doo wop songs you rarely heard elsewhere. When he was going to play something really rare he would "go into Mama's closet" to dig out the record. Great memories Clipper. You are the man!! Did you know that Bob Lind, he of the sensitive singer-songwriter "Elusive Butterfly" later became editor of the trash tabloid "Weekly World News"? All those stories about Martians and Bat Boy were coming from him. A Baltimore guy. From Baltimore at that same time came the wonderful Royalettes ("It's Gonna Take A Miracle") and the now-forgotten balladeer Ronnie Dove ("One Kiss For Old Time's Sake.") Joey Reynolds. Holy Cow, that made my day. Joey Reynolds gave me a copy of the 45 of "Rats In My Room" and told me the story, why it was banned in NYC because they were having a city-wide rats health issue. Also he had another new song about guy calling information, using the lyrics of Chuck Berry's Memphis. The Shirelles, who were from North Jersey, did a theme song for Scott Muni's WABC-AM show, that was based on "Tonight's the Night." Sadly, we lost Jerry Blavat last year. Between listening to the rock music, also I use to listen to Jean Shepard on WOR-AM with his funny childhood stories. Radio isn't like it used to be, it's kind of sad. Clipper
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 27, 2023 18:16:43 GMT -5
I hung out on Long Beach Island during the 1960s, where we had both NYC and Philadelphia radio stations. In early 1970s, I did work with DJ Joey Reynolds at local radio station WHLW in Lakewood, NJ, what a nut! They had a great Goldies station on 98.1 in Philly, which dropped the early music years from the 1950-1970, now its 1980-1990s music. The death of WOR-FM in 1967 by Bill Drake's oldies format takeover was a crying shame. Thank God, for WNEW-FM with Murray the K, Rosco, Scott Muni and Allison "Nightbird" Steele. Every time that I hear Bob Lin's "Elusive Butterfly" I think of Scott Muni's shows on WOR and WNEW-FM, it was his closing show song. Some of the radio stations that you wrote about were clear channel stations no other stations were around their frequency; the nearest 770 AM station was in Dallas, TX, then Seattle, WA. Clipper OMG Joey Reynolds. I listened to him religiously when he was on WKBW in Buffalo in the early 60s. I still have my membership card for the Royal Order Of The Night People that he ran back then. Also the Rat Finks which used the artwork of Ed "Big Daddy" Roth. I even have his records he did with fellow KB jock Danny Neaverth -- "Rats In My Room" and "Underwater Surfers." For awhile he dated a Philly singer named Diane Renay who had a hit "Navy Blue." She even did a song about him called "Waitin' For Joey." The Four Seasons used to sing his show intro to the tune of "Big Girls Don't Cry." Joey Pinto is his real name as I'm sure you know. What a creative guy! I met him one time through a mutual friend in the radio business. He was hilarious. I envy you working for him. He used to be really heavy, but worked hard to take off that weight. In the early 80s he was working in Philly for awhile, and I remember him having a talk show on WOR, but he was too constrained in that format. Yes, 98.1 WOGL used to be a great oldies station, especially Sunday nights with Harvey Holliday who played all the great R&B and doo wop songs you rarely heard elsewhere. When he was going to play something really rare he would "go into Mama's closet" to dig out the record. Great memories Clipper. You are the man!! Did you know that Bob Lind, he of the sensitive singer-songwriter "Elusive Butterfly" later became editor of the trash tabloid "Weekly World News"? All those stories about Martians and Bat Boy were coming from him. A Baltimore guy. From Baltimore at that same time came the wonderful Royalettes ("It's Gonna Take A Miracle") and the now-forgotten balladeer Ronnie Dove ("One Kiss For Old Time's Sake.") Joey Reynolds. Holy Cow, that made my day. I just went to YouTube to listen to the song for the first time. Strange that I had never heard the song before. Dreamy, romantic lyrics and sound. I especially liked the Gibson Guitar with the capo up three frets. Pure balladeer. Mine is an elusive dragonfly these days - without the net.
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 27, 2023 18:20:15 GMT -5
This one came on right after Bob Lind. Still resonates though it was before my time. The Shirelles - flawless harmony.
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Post by azbob643 on Dec 27, 2023 18:32:18 GMT -5
I hung out on Long Beach Island during the 1960s, where we had both NYC and Philadelphia radio stations. In early 1970s, I did work with DJ Joey Reynolds at local radio station WHLW in Lakewood, NJ, what a nut! They had a great Goldies station on 98.1 in Philly, which dropped the early music years from the 1950-1970, now its 1980-1990s music. The death of WOR-FM in 1967 by Bill Drake's oldies format takeover was a crying shame. Thank God, for WNEW-FM with Murray the K, Rosco, Scott Muni and Allison "Nightbird" Steele. Every time that I hear Bob Lin's "Elusive Butterfly" I think of Scott Muni's shows on WOR and WNEW-FM, it was his closing show song. Some of the radio stations that you wrote about were clear channel stations no other stations were around their frequency; the nearest 770 AM station was in Dallas, TX, then Seattle, WA. Clipper Did you know that Bob Lind, he of the sensitive singer-songwriter "Elusive Butterfly"... Another Colorado based musician...
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Post by inger on Dec 27, 2023 19:29:49 GMT -5
Did you know that Bob Lind, he of the sensitive singer-songwriter "Elusive Butterfly"... Another Colorado based musician... Colaforniarado… Only up north and along the front range.., maybe out west around Grand Junction. Also around the bigger “brand name” ski towns. Around here it’s still the original… the biggest impact is the next stage of the plastic bag and styrofoam carry out containers for restaurant foods… Thanks for recalling the talent here, though…
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Post by azbob643 on Dec 27, 2023 19:45:38 GMT -5
Another Colorado based musician... Colaforniarado… Only up north and along the front range.., maybe out west around Grand Junction. Also around the bigger “brand name” ski towns. Around here it’s still the original… the biggest impact is the next stage of the plastic bag and styrofoam carry out containers for restaurant foods… Thanks for recalling the talent here, though… How long have you lived there?
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 27, 2023 19:54:16 GMT -5
I just went to YouTube to listen to the song for the first time. Strange that I had never heard the song before. Dreamy, romantic lyrics and sound. I especially liked the Gibson Guitar with the capo up three frets. Pure balladeer. Mine is an elusive dragonfly these days - without the net. Rizz, I'm impressed that you would go through the trouble to look that up. That song was recorded in 1966, so while you may have been alive I doubt you were listening to the radio. It's the only song of his that got any air time as far as I know. He was a friend of that chronicler of degenerate life Charles Bukowski, who used him as a model for one of his characters.
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 27, 2023 19:59:28 GMT -5
This one came on right after Bob Lind. Still resonates though it was before my time. The Shirelles - flawless harmony. The Shirelles were one of the most successful of the girl groups, and that was among their biggest hits. You may know that it was co-written by Carole King along with her husband/songwriting partner Gerry Goffin. They had other large successes with "Tonight's The Night" and "Dedicated To The One I Love" and "Soldier Boy" and "Mama Said" and "Baby It's You" and many others. But they were pretty much out of fashion before you were born.
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Post by inger on Dec 27, 2023 20:06:11 GMT -5
Colaforniarado… Only up north and along the front range.., maybe out west around Grand Junction. Also around the bigger “brand name” ski towns. Around here it’s still the original… the biggest impact is the next stage of the plastic bag and styrofoam carry out containers for restaurant foods… Thanks for recalling the talent here, though… How long have you lived there? Only about 15 months. It was a fast love affair, too. Neither my wife nor I want to ever leave here. The reasonably hot summer days, usually under 90, the cool summer nights. The winters are cold, but we don’t mind that…
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Post by azbob643 on Dec 27, 2023 20:20:53 GMT -5
How long have you lived there? Only about 15 months. It was a fast love affair, too. Neither my wife nor I want to ever leave here. The reasonably hot summer days, usually under 90, the cool summer nights. The winters are cold, but we don’t mind that… So...were you in Pueblo before moving to Alamosa? As I've mentioned, I lived in Colorado (Metro Denver) for 30 years before retiring to AZ. Frankly, done with winter, and I have health issues that make living at elevation challenging. I moved there in '77, and you're absolutely right re the transformation, for better or worse, from then. Denver went from "cow town" to a real metropolis including everything good & bad that comes with that. Most of the Front Range is developed from Fort Collins to Colorado Springs...creeping toward Pueblo.
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 27, 2023 20:21:40 GMT -5
Joey Reynolds gave me a copy of the 45 of "Rats In My Room" and told me the story, why it was banned in NYC because they were having a city-wide rats health issue. Also he had another new song about guy calling information, using the lyrics of Chuck Berry's Memphis. The Shirelles, who were from North Jersey, did a theme song for Scott Muni's WABC-AM show, that was based on "Tonight's the Night." Sadly, we lost Jerry Blavat last year. Between listening to the rock music, also I use to listen to Jean Shepard on WOR-AM with his funny childhood stories. Radio isn't like it used to be, it's kind of sad. Clipper Hah, never heard that story about "Rats" being banned in NYC. The original of that song was on Philly-based Swan Records, known mainly as the company that released most of Freddy Cannon's records and also, through some flukes of contracting, the 45 version of "She Loves You" before Capitol had clear title to all of The Beatles stuff. Swan also had a goofy novelty act Dicky Doo and the Don'ts ("Click Clack" and "Ne Ne Na Na Na Nu Nu") and doing an even deeper dive Gabriel and the Angels, who had a modest 1963 hit called "That's Life (That's Tough)" and a really good girl group The Sapphires ("Who Do You Love" and "Got To Have Your Love.") I did know about the "Memphis" gag, which consisted of Joey actually calling Information and going through the lyrics of the song with an uncomprehending operator ("Long distance information? Give me Memphis Tennessee -- Help me get in touch with my Marie -- her home is on the southside, high up on the ridge" etc. Jean Shepard -- another immortal. Best radio raconteur ever. He used to come on at 11:15 at night and just tell a perfectly woven story straight through until midnight. At which point another excellent story-teller, Barry Farber, came on. Radio would never be permitted to be that good again. Too much original, locally-based talent. Blavat was a legend in Philly. An encyclopedia of musical knowledge. He started out as a teen-aged dancer on the original "Bandstand" before Dick Clark, with a guy named Bob Horn. Horn had a little trouble allegedly involving an under-aged girl. He was fired by the station, WFIL, and the regular dancers, who loved him, were going to quit the show rather than work with this new young guy Clark. Blavat quelled the revolt and went on to become famous in his own sphere. He went to Overbrook High School, which among others produced Wilt Chamberlain, The Orlons and The Dovells. I was fortunate to meet The Geator on multiple occasions, which anyone could easily do if you frequented Val Shively's R&B Records in Upper Darby. There was no recording Val could not obtain for you, and Blavat definitely put him to the test. Blavat was a very good guy who had an incredible rapport with his listeners. They all grew old together, dancing at Wagner's Ball Room and Chez Vous and Memories in Margate. You sound like you had some ties to radio. Were you connected to the broadcast business? At least I can tell you had some DXing experience. The always experimental band NRBQ actually did a cover of "Rats In My Room!"
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