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Post by kaybli on Mar 31, 2021 17:14:29 GMT -5
I see that Tyler Wade got no votes, nor should he in a rational world. It got me cogitating over whether or not the Yankees have ever had such an offensively challenged player who lasted so long with the team. The first time Wade trots out on the diamond he will be in his fifth season as a Yankee. His career OPS+ to this point is a gaudy 56. Just randomly looking up potential challengers, I was able to find only two "batsmen" who played at least five years for the Yanks with a lower number. Actually the first played in the deadball era when they were still known as the Highlanders. That was catcher Walter Blair, who sported an OPS+ of 50 during the 1907-1911 campaigns. He must have been one helluva defensive stud. The other, who some of you will remember, is late 60s-early 70s stalwart Frank Tepedino, who had a 52 OPS+ in five Yankee seasons. I know Frank shows up at Old Timers Day in front of increasingly unresponsive fans as his demographic moves on to that great stadium in the sky. The announcers usually make an issue of his career with the NYPD. Others I thought might have been in the running-- Enrique Wilson, who like Wade had an OPS+ of 56 but only lasted four years with the Yankees; Luis Sojo came in at 62 over seven seasons; Clay Bellinger was barely ahead of Wade at 58, but he only had three years. I went through various weak sticks like Miguel Cairo, Jake Gibbs and Mantle's late-inning legs Jack Reed, but each was far ahead of Wade. Ross Moschitto only played two years in the mid-60s, but he deserves some recognition for putting up an OPS+ of 25. This list is far from scientific, so feel free to add any pathetic bats you can. Just for reference, Tony Womack's legendary 2005 OPS+ was 50.
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Post by inger on Mar 31, 2021 18:06:55 GMT -5
I see that Tyler Wade got no votes, nor should he in a rational world. It got me cogitating over whether or not the Yankees have ever had such an offensively challenged player who lasted so long with the team. The first time Wade trots out on the diamond he will be in his fifth season as a Yankee. His career OPS+ to this point is a gaudy 56. Just randomly looking up potential challengers, I was able to find only two "batsmen" who played at least five years for the Yanks with a lower number. Actually the first played in the deadball era when they were still known as the Highlanders. That was catcher Walter Blair, who sported an OPS+ of 50 during the 1907-1911 campaigns. He must have been one helluva defensive stud. The other, who some of you will remember, is late 60s-early 70s stalwart Frank Tepedino, who had a 52 OPS+ in five Yankee seasons. I know Frank shows up at Old Timers Day in front of increasingly unresponsive fans as his demographic moves on to that great stadium in the sky. The announcers usually make an issue of his career with the NYPD. Others I thought might have been in the running-- Enrique Wilson, who like Wade had an OPS+ of 56 but only lasted four years with the Yankees; Luis Sojo came in at 62 over seven seasons; Clay Bellinger was barely ahead of Wade at 58, but he only had three years. I went through various weak sticks like Miguel Cairo, Jake Gibbs and Mantle's late-inning legs Jack Reed, but each was far ahead of Wade. Ross Moschitto only played two years in the mid-60s, but he deserves some recognition for putting up an OPS+ of 25. This list is far from scientific, so feel free to add any pathetic bats you can. Just for reference, Tony Womack's legendary 2005 OPS+ was 50.
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 31, 2021 19:30:16 GMT -5
I knew Kaybli would find a way to work Womack into a conversation about lousy hitting!
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Post by kaybli on Mar 31, 2021 19:33:05 GMT -5
I knew Kaybli would find a way to work Womack into a conversation about lousy hitting!  That train is never late. |
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Post by inger on Mar 31, 2021 19:52:16 GMT -5
Womack showed his best lack of OPS skill in 2004 with St. Louis. It can’t be easy to hit .304 with a .349 OPS and still wind up with an OPS+ of only 91... I was so upset that the Yankees fell for that and picked him up for 2005... plus he was yet another speed player picked up past his prime, which seems to be a special talent the Yanks have possessed since the 60’s... (Rickey Henderson is the lone exception)...
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Post by kaybli on Mar 31, 2021 20:03:25 GMT -5
Womack showed his best lack of OPS skill in 2004 with St. Louis. It can’t be easy to hit .304 with a .349 OPS and still wind up with an OPS+ of only 91... I was so upset that the Yankees fell for that and picked him up for 2005... plus he was yet another speed player picked up past his prime, which seems to be a special talent the Yanks have possessed since the 60’s... (Rickey Henderson is the lone exception)... Anybody with half a brain could see Womack would be a disaster for the Yankees. And they batted him leadoff sometimes! And played him in left field when Cano came up! -2.3 WAR in only 351 PAs! Negative 10.9 million dollars of value according to Fangraphs! Womack should have paid the Yankees 10.9 mill to play for them!
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 31, 2021 20:11:56 GMT -5
Womack showed his best lack of OPS skill in 2004 with St. Louis. It can’t be easy to hit .304 with a .349 OPS and still wind up with an OPS+ of only 91... I was so upset that the Yankees fell for that and picked him up for 2005... plus he was yet another speed player picked up past his prime, which seems to be a special talent the Yanks have possessed since the 60’s... (Rickey Henderson is the lone exception)... Anybody with half a brain could see Womack would be a disaster for the Yankees. And they batted him leadoff sometimes! And played him in left field when Cano came up! -2.3 WAR in only 351 PAs! Negative 10.9 million dollars of value according to Fangraphs! Womack should have paid the Yankees 10.9 mill to play for them!
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Womack brings out your best material, Kaybli. You guys should do a traveling road show. |
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Post by kaybli on Mar 31, 2021 20:15:23 GMT -5
Anybody with half a brain could see Womack would be a disaster for the Yankees. And they batted him leadoff sometimes! And played him in left field when Cano came up! -2.3 WAR in only 351 PAs! Negative 10.9 million dollars of value according to Fangraphs! Womack should have paid the Yankees 10.9 mill to play for them!
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Womack brings out your best material, Kaybli. You guys should do a traveling road show. That would be a good idea if Womack didn't have a restraining order out against me.  |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 31, 2021 20:22:43 GMT -5
Womack showed his best lack of OPS skill in 2004 with St. Louis. It can’t be easy to hit .304 with a .349 OPS and still wind up with an OPS+ of only 91... I was so upset that the Yankees fell for that and picked him up for 2005... plus he was yet another speed player picked up past his prime, which seems to be a special talent the Yanks have possessed since the 60’s... (Rickey Henderson is the lone exception)... Dave Collins was another speed guy who lost it when the Yankees signed him at age 29. He sucked. But then he regained it the next year after the Yankees traded him to Toronto and he had some of his best years on the bases. Compounding matters was that the Yankees also included Fred McGriff (and lesser light Mike Morgan) in that trade and got a lousy Dale Murray in return. Maybe that's why Collins is to me almost what Tony Womack is to Kaybli. I associate him purely with negative events. Plus he was one of the geekiest-looking guys to play the game. Maybe Mike Morgan deserves his own thread elsewhere. There can not have been many pitchers who lasted 22 years in the majors with an ERA+ below 100. Every year I would be amazed that he found a job with some team. |
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Post by inger on Mar 31, 2021 20:38:20 GMT -5
Womack brings out your best material, Kaybli. You guys should do a traveling road show. That would be a good idea if Womack didn't have a restraining order out against me. |
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Post by inger on Mar 31, 2021 20:47:23 GMT -5
Womack showed his best lack of OPS skill in 2004 with St. Louis. It can’t be easy to hit .304 with a .349 OPS and still wind up with an OPS+ of only 91... I was so upset that the Yankees fell for that and picked him up for 2005... plus he was yet another speed player picked up past his prime, which seems to be a special talent the Yanks have possessed since the 60’s... (Rickey Henderson is the lone exception)... Dave Collins was another speed guy who lost it when the Yankees signed him at age 29. He sucked. But then he regained it the next year after the Yankees traded him to Toronto and he had some of his best years on the bases. Compounding matters was that the Yankees also included Fred McGriff (and lesser light Mike Morgan) in that trade and got a lousy Dale Murray in return. Maybe that's why Collins is to me almost what Tony Womack is to Kaybli. I associate him purely with negative events. Plus he was one of the geekiest-looking guys to play the game. Maybe Mike Morgan deserves his own thread elsewhere. There can not have been many pitchers who lasted 22 years in the majors with an ERA+ below 100. Every year I would be amazed that he found a job with some team. Yes. Dave Collins (the fastest White Man Alive) was one. Womack. Mickey Rivers did swipe 40 his first year in NY, but I expected 60-70. Bobby Bonds. Luis (Horny) Polonia. Chad Curtis. Time after time I thought we finally had one. Time after time either those players lost their speed or confidence... or the Yankees wouldn’t let them run. And though he’s a legacy Yankee, Brett Gardner appears to have been sucked into that same vortex, unable to take advantage of his foot speed to become the great base thief he could have been. It’s a wonder Rickey Henderson didn’t drop down to 15 SB per season... |
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 1, 2021 9:51:15 GMT -5
I see that Tyler Wade got no votes, nor should he in a rational world. It got me cogitating over whether or not the Yankees have ever had such an offensively challenged player who lasted so long with the team. The first time Wade trots out on the diamond he will be in his fifth season as a Yankee. His career OPS+ to this point is a gaudy 56. Just randomly looking up potential challengers, I was able to find only two "batsmen" who played at least five years for the Yanks with a lower number. Actually the first played in the deadball era when they were still known as the Highlanders. That was catcher Walter Blair, who sported an OPS+ of 50 during the 1907-1911 campaigns. He must have been one helluva defensive stud. The other, who some of you will remember, is late 60s-early 70s stalwart Frank Tepedino, who had a 52 OPS+ in five Yankee seasons. I know Frank shows up at Old Timers Day in front of increasingly unresponsive fans as his demographic moves on to that great stadium in the sky. The announcers usually make an issue of his career with the NYPD. Others I thought might have been in the running-- Enrique Wilson, who like Wade had an OPS+ of 56 but only lasted four years with the Yankees; Luis Sojo came in at 62 over seven seasons; Clay Bellinger was barely ahead of Wade at 58, but he only had three years. I went through various weak sticks like Miguel Cairo, Jake Gibbs and Mantle's late-inning legs Jack Reed, but each was far ahead of Wade. Ross Moschitto only played two years in the mid-60s, but he deserves some recognition for putting up an OPS+ of 25. This list is far from scientific, so feel free to add any pathetic bats you can. Great stuff, Pipps! Hard to believe Fred “Chicken” Stanley had a higher OPS+ at 62. |
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Post by inger on Apr 1, 2021 11:11:51 GMT -5
I see that Tyler Wade got no votes, nor should he in a rational world. It got me cogitating over whether or not the Yankees have ever had such an offensively challenged player who lasted so long with the team. The first time Wade trots out on the diamond he will be in his fifth season as a Yankee. His career OPS+ to this point is a gaudy 56. Just randomly looking up potential challengers, I was able to find only two "batsmen" who played at least five years for the Yanks with a lower number. Actually the first played in the deadball era when they were still known as the Highlanders. That was catcher Walter Blair, who sported an OPS+ of 50 during the 1907-1911 campaigns. He must have been one helluva defensive stud. The other, who some of you will remember, is late 60s-early 70s stalwart Frank Tepedino, who had a 52 OPS+ in five Yankee seasons. I know Frank shows up at Old Timers Day in front of increasingly unresponsive fans as his demographic moves on to that great stadium in the sky. The announcers usually make an issue of his career with the NYPD. Others I thought might have been in the running-- Enrique Wilson, who like Wade had an OPS+ of 56 but only lasted four years with the Yankees; Luis Sojo came in at 62 over seven seasons; Clay Bellinger was barely ahead of Wade at 58, but he only had three years. I went through various weak sticks like Miguel Cairo, Jake Gibbs and Mantle's late-inning legs Jack Reed, but each was far ahead of Wade. Ross Moschitto only played two years in the mid-60s, but he deserves some recognition for putting up an OPS+ of 25. This list is far from scientific, so feel free to add any pathetic bats you can. Great stuff, Pipps!  Hard to believe Fred “Chicken” Stanley had a higher OPS+ at 62.  Stanley would hit 20 HR if he played today... |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Apr 4, 2021 1:12:47 GMT -5
Missed this thread somehow, but im expecting Stanton to lead the team in production and have a great season for once, but DJ, Judge, Voit are good choices too.
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That train is never late.
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