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Post by kaybli on Sept 25, 2018 4:42:44 GMT -5
Yea, I believe that's the way to go. Do you bench Sanchez for the wild card game if he continues to show no life at the plate? I don’t know that they can bench him. Romine isn’t exactly a word class hitter or defensive catcher either, he’s just much better than most backup catchers. I would expect to see Romine get more playing time in the playoffs. Sanchez still offers upside that Romine doesn’t at then olaye if he can ever get his shit right. I continue to believe most of his issues are in his head and his approach at the plate. He’s taking pitches he should drive and then setting himself up to be exploited on pitches down and away over and over again. Hard to tell when or if a smarter approach clicks into place. We know he’s capable of it. I can take the offensive struggles. I just can't take the possibility of a passed ball/poorly blocked wild pitch at any moment a runner is on base especially in a one game do or die Wild Card game. |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 25, 2018 9:01:47 GMT -5
I don’t know that they can bench him. Romine isn’t exactly a word class hitter or defensive catcher either, he’s just much better than most backup catchers. I would expect to see Romine get more playing time in the playoffs. Sanchez still offers upside that Romine doesn’t at then olaye if he can ever get his shit right. I continue to believe most of his issues are in his head and his approach at the plate. He’s taking pitches he should drive and then setting himself up to be exploited on pitches down and away over and over again. Hard to tell when or if a smarter approach clicks into place. We know he’s capable of it. I can take the offensive struggles. I just can't take the possibility of a passed ball/poorly blocked wild pitch at any moment a runner is on base especially in a one game do or die Wild Card game. I think the likelihood of passed balls are largely overblown. Gary has got to get better at this, no question about it. But when you consider that even his league leading PBs represents like 0.15% of all pitches received and is downgraded even further when considering only the ones that have material impact on the game. Understand that there is the non-statistical aspect here if it changes how pitchers pitch because of a lack of trust but by the numbers I think its largely overblown that this is something that has a material impact in the grand scheme. Could it happen in a big spot? Sure, but that could be the case with anyone in one individual situation. I dont see a material statistical difference between a guy who has 15-20 passed balls and a guy who has like 7 in a season, given the fact that they receive thousands of pitches. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 25, 2018 10:16:59 GMT -5
I can take the offensive struggles. I just can't take the possibility of a passed ball/poorly blocked wild pitch at any moment a runner is on base especially in a one game do or die Wild Card game. I think the likelihood of passed balls are largely overblown. Gary has got to get better at this, no question about it. But when you consider that even his league leading PBs represents like 0.15% of all pitches received and is downgraded even further when considering only the ones that have material impact on the game. Understand that there is the non-statistical aspect here if it changes how pitchers pitch because of a lack of trust but by the numbers I think its largely overblown that this is something that has a material impact in the grand scheme. Could it happen in a big spot? Sure, but that could be the case with anyone in one individual situation. I dont see a material statistical difference between a guy who has 15-20 passed balls and a guy who has like 7 in a season, given the fact that they receive thousands of pitches. What about the wild pitches Sanchez is unable to block? |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 25, 2018 10:26:59 GMT -5
I think the likelihood of passed balls are largely overblown. Gary has got to get better at this, no question about it. But when you consider that even his league leading PBs represents like 0.15% of all pitches received and is downgraded even further when considering only the ones that have material impact on the game. Understand that there is the non-statistical aspect here if it changes how pitchers pitch because of a lack of trust but by the numbers I think its largely overblown that this is something that has a material impact in the grand scheme. Could it happen in a big spot? Sure, but that could be the case with anyone in one individual situation. I dont see a material statistical difference between a guy who has 15-20 passed balls and a guy who has like 7 in a season, given the fact that they receive thousands of pitches. What about the wild pitches Sanchez is unable to block? Are we blaming catchers for wild pitches now? Isnt the point of them being ruled wild pitches over passed balls because they cannot be reasonably expected to be blocked because the pitcher made such a bad pitch? This is why two different scorings exist. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 25, 2018 10:35:06 GMT -5
What about the wild pitches Sanchez is unable to block? Are we blaming catchers for wild pitches now? Isnt the point of them being ruled wild pitches over passed balls because they cannot be reasonably expected to be blocked because the pitcher made such a bad pitch? This is why two different scorings exist. No, not for all wild pitches. It's definitely a grey area. But most catchers block and save wild pitches better than Sanchez does. He is known as a bad blocker. |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 25, 2018 10:38:50 GMT -5
Are we blaming catchers for wild pitches now? Isnt the point of them being ruled wild pitches over passed balls because they cannot be reasonably expected to be blocked because the pitcher made such a bad pitch? This is why two different scorings exist. No, not for all wild pitches. It's definitely a grey area. But most catchers block and save wild pitches better than Sanchez does. He is known as a bad blocker. Yes, he is "known as a bad blocker" but my point was that in the grand scheme Im not convinced of how materially impactful the different between a guy who lets 5 balls get by and a guy who lets 20 balls get by over the course of a season considering teams throw like 25,000 pitches. I'd rather he be better but this seems more like a talking point than anything to me. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 25, 2018 10:59:01 GMT -5
No, not for all wild pitches. It's definitely a grey area. But most catchers block and save wild pitches better than Sanchez does. He is known as a bad blocker. Yes, he is "known as a bad blocker" but my point was that in the grand scheme Im not convinced of how materially impactful the different between a guy who lets 5 balls get by and a guy who lets 20 balls get by over the course of a season considering teams throw like 25,000 pitches. I'd rather he be better but this seems more like a talking point than anything to me. Well, the guy who lets 20 balls go by is still 4 times worse than the guy who lets 5 go by no matter how large you want to make the sample size. This year, Sanchez has 17 passed balls in 622 innings or one every 36 innings. That's one every four games. Not exactly a rare occurrence. Add in the wild pitches he doesn't block, which I agree is hard to pin on him with numbers, and it's definitely a concern. Maybe overblown, but still a concern especially if he doesn't hit to make up for it. |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 25, 2018 11:07:32 GMT -5
Since coming back from the DL, in the 17 games Sanchez has caught he has 7 passed balls. That's terrible no matter how you want to slice it.
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Post by inger on Sept 25, 2018 11:07:51 GMT -5
The sport is made up of many statistical acts that add up to whether or not good or bad baseball was played. Every runner that advances has the potential to change the game. The fact that Sanchez has a strong throwing arm also stops some runners from advancing. If we give him credit for that, we also have to be concerned about the balls that get away from him. I think every speck of ability or non-ability must be scrutinized when making decisions. On the whole, after due consideration I would likely start Sanchez behind the plate, but I am certainly concerned about his negative aspects affecting the outcome of a game while being hopeful that his positives will be meaningful...
Since we also need to be concerned at this point with who is playing SS, I will be okay with Hechevarria replacing Didi if that must be because he is at least Didi's equal in the field. At SS, give me the glove first and let someone else be the offensive hero...Hechevarria's BA is almost the equal of Didi's, though he obviously has a poor OBP and SLG...At least he's not completely helpless with the bat...
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Post by inger on Sept 25, 2018 11:10:05 GMT -5
Since coming back from the DL, in the 17 games Sanchez has caught he has 7 passed balls. That's terrible no matter how you want to slice it. If it's unimportant, then why is it tracked? If it's unimportant then why do the guys that do a great job get lauded and win gold gloves? It's important...as is every act in the game... |
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Post by inger on Sept 25, 2018 11:12:10 GMT -5
The only thing that can set this bullpen apart from other bullpens is the amazing movement on their pitches. Severino's slider is in that same category. I feel the pitcher's confidence can be affected resulting in less effective pitches being thrown if the they don't have faith that their battery mates can receive the ball...
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 25, 2018 11:38:29 GMT -5
I think Sanchez is far worse now behind the plate than before. He's lost weight and he's improved his agility but as Cone pointed out last night, his biggest problem has been cross ups with his pitchers and not quickness or lack of quickness in blocking balls in the dirt. I just don't get how he can constantly not be on the same page with his pitcher. Do the two of them not go over pitch selection and strategy before the game? At this point, it's ridiculous how many catchable balls get past him, and then when you consider how bad he's been all year at the plate, I'd start Romine for the Wild Card game. It's all about winning right now and I feel Romine gives the team a better chance than Sanchez.
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Post by noetsi on Sept 25, 2018 19:13:22 GMT -5
I am not sure that wp or pb matter either.
How much time will Hicks miss? And why the heck do we have so many injuries.
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Post by inger on Sept 25, 2018 19:57:43 GMT -5
I am not sure that wp or pb matter either. How much time will Hicks miss? And why the heck do we have so many injuries. The worshipper of small ball and one base advances doubts that pb matter? I’m shocked... By the way, pb definitely matters. I like Jif myself... |
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Post by uehara1 on Sept 25, 2018 20:26:34 GMT -5
I think Sanchez is far worse now behind the plate than before. He's lost weight and he's improved his agility but as Cone pointed out last night, his biggest problem has been cross ups with his pitchers and not quickness or lack of quickness in blocking balls in the dirt. I just don't get how he can constantly not be on the same page with his pitcher. Do the two of them not go over pitch selection and strategy before the game? At this point, it's ridiculous how many catchable balls get past him, and then when you consider how bad he's been all year at the plate, I'd start Romine for the Wild Card game. It's all about winning right now and I feel Romine gives the team a better chance than Sanchez. I wonder if the problems are more mental than physical at this point. I think that once the playoffs are over, that Sanchez take a month or two away from the game- and maybe visit one of the sports "performance visualization" guys- the ones who claim that they put clients in a frame of mind to visualize success. Maybe its just me, but when you look at his facial expressions, he looks like a guy who is already beaten before he starts. |
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