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Post by rizzuto on Jul 6, 2021 20:00:17 GMT -5
I'm in the "I doubt it" camp on Chapman. Unless there is an injury, which as of now doesn't seem to be the case, this is likely a bump (although a really rough bump) in the road. My concern is that if he blows four or five more saves over the next few weeks, it could sink the Yankees post-season chances even if he gets it together later. I know Mo had a few rough patches, but I don't ever recall him getting rocked or being this wild over this long of a stretch. I'm relying on an increasingly defective memory here, but I don't think Mo ever had this many dreadful outings over the course of several weeks. In any event, we will have a lot more information to go on a month from now. Chapman should not have been put in that situation with the Mets, anyway. His mechanics are not exactly clicking on all cylinders, and the appropriate move was Chad Green who had only thrown two pitches the previous inning. No, Mariano wasn’t perfect, but he was as close to it as anyone who ever played, especially over an 18 year career. Mariano Rivera is the single most consistent relief pitcher in the history of MLB and the only Hall of Famer in baseball history voted in to Cooperstown unanimously. To find similar comparisons with Chapman, Mo probably isn’t the best place to start. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 6, 2021 20:03:35 GMT -5
I'm in the "I doubt it" camp on Chapman. Unless there is an injury, which as of now doesn't seem to be the case, this is likely a bump (although a really rough bump) in the road. My concern is that if he blows four or five more saves over the next few weeks, it could sink the Yankees post-season chances even if he gets it together later. I know Mo had a few rough patches, but I don't ever recall him getting rocked or being this wild over this long of a stretch. I'm relying on an increasingly defective memory here, but I don't think Mo ever had this many dreadful outings over the course of several weeks. In any event, we will have a lot more information to go on a month from now. Chapman should not have been put in that situation with the Mets, anyway. His mechanics are not exactly clicking on all cylinders, and the appropriate move was Chad Green who had only thrown two pitches the previous inning. No, Mariano wasn’t perfect, but he was as close to it as anyone who ever played, especially over an 18 year career. Mariano Rivera is the single most consistent relief pitcher in the history of MLB and the only Hall of Famer in baseball history voted in to Cooperstown unanimously. To find similar comparisons with Chapman, Mo probably isn’t the best place to start. It isn't fair to compare Mo to any mere mortal. He's just on a different plane. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 6, 2021 20:12:26 GMT -5
The Yankees have had wonderful talent in their bullpens historically. If Chapman does return to his level of performance from April, May, and early June, he has a legitimate chance to put himself in some rarified Yankee history this season. Current career leaders in saves for the New York Yankees: 1. Mariano Rivera 652 2. Dave Righetti 224 3. Rich Gossage 151 4. Sparky Lyle 141 5. Aroldis Chapman 130 Twenty-two saves in the second half would put him in third place all time. The next guy on that saves list would be Johnny Murphy, who was the first pitcher the Yankees used consistently as what would later be called a closer. In fact, other than Mo, he was the Yankees closer longer than any other pitcher, assuming that role in 1934 and staying there through 1947, minus two years of military service. Of course relievers were used differently then, and there was no save statistic, but applied retroactively he led the AL in saves four times over a five-year period. Johnny Murphy later became chief scout of the expansion Mets in 1961 (hired by his old Yankee boss George Weiss) and became their GM in 1967. One of his first acts was to pry Gil Hodges away from the Senators to manage the Mets. He was in that GM position when the Mets won the World Series in 1969. He died from a heart attack in December of that year. One thing I learned today that may be common knowledge to some is that the Boston Braves were the Boston Bees from 1936 to 1940. |
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Post by noetsi on Jul 6, 2021 20:13:41 GMT -5
I think he does not have enough control for a closer. He just walks to many people.
I think he is gone next year (well after next year).
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 6, 2021 20:15:07 GMT -5
Chapman should not have been put in that situation with the Mets, anyway. His mechanics are not exactly clicking on all cylinders, and the appropriate move was Chad Green who had only thrown two pitches the previous inning. No, Mariano wasn’t perfect, but he was as close to it as anyone who ever played, especially over an 18 year career. Mariano Rivera is the single most consistent relief pitcher in the history of MLB and the only Hall of Famer in baseball history voted in to Cooperstown unanimously. To find similar comparisons with Chapman, Mo probably isn’t the best place to start. It isn't fair to compare Mo to any mere mortal. He's just on a different plane. Or, like a friend one time said, “He’s on a completely different plethora.”  |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 6, 2021 20:21:53 GMT -5
The next guy on that saves list would be Johnny Murphy, who was the first pitcher the Yankees used consistently as what would later be called a closer. In fact, other than Mo, he was the Yankees closer longer than any other pitcher, assuming that role in 1934 and staying there through 1947, minus two years of military service. Of course relievers were used differently then, and there was no save statistic, but applied retroactively he led the AL in saves four times over a five-year period. Johnny Murphy later became chief scout of the expansion Mets in 1961 (hired by his old Yankee boss George Weiss) and became their GM in 1967. One of his first acts was to pry Gil Hodges away from the Senators to manage the Mets. He was in that GM position when the Mets won the World Series in 1969. He died from a heart attack in December of that year. One thing I learned today that may be common knowledge to some is that the Boston Braves were the Boston Bees from 1936 to 1940. Yeah, a few teams fiddled around with nicknames. The Phillies were briefly called the Blue Jays in the WWII era. The Dodgers were called the Robins for a bit. It was always bad teams that did stuff like that. Maybe trying to divert attention from their performance. One of the worst I ever heard was a Depression-era deal in the NFL when for a year or two the Eagles and Steelers combined operations and were called the Steagles. |
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Post by noetsi on Jul 6, 2021 20:30:56 GMT -5
We were the Highlanders for while.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 6, 2021 20:38:03 GMT -5
We were the Highlanders for while. Yeah, that changed when Jacob Ruppert and Tillinghast L'Hommadieu Huston (coolest owner name in history) bought the team from Frank Farrell and Big Bill Devery, the original owners of the franchise. They were also referred to as the Hilltoppers occasionally because they played at Hilltop Park in the Washington Heights section of Manhattan. Columbia Presbyterian Hospital is on the site now, but there is a plaque commemorating the team. |
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Post by inger on Jul 6, 2021 21:09:43 GMT -5
I'm in the "I doubt it" camp on Chapman. Unless there is an injury, which as of now doesn't seem to be the case, this is likely a bump (although a really rough bump) in the road. My concern is that if he blows four or five more saves over the next few weeks, it could sink the Yankees post-season chances even if he gets it together later. I know Mo had a few rough patches, but I don't ever recall him getting rocked or being this wild over this long of a stretch. I'm relying on an increasingly defective memory here, but I don't think Mo ever had this many dreadful outings over the course of several weeks. In any event, we will have a lot more information to go on a month from now. Chapman should not have been put in that situation with the Mets, anyway. His mechanics are not exactly clicking on all cylinders, and the appropriate move was Chad Green who had only thrown two pitches the previous inning. No, Mariano wasn’t perfect, but he was as close to it as anyone who ever played, especially over an 18 year career. Mariano Rivera is the single most consistent relief pitcher in the history of MLB and the only Hall of Famer in baseball history voted in to Cooperstown unanimously. To find similar comparisons with Chapman, Mo probably isn’t the best place to start. I certainly felt failure in the air when Chapman was inserted in that situation. I would have extremely pleased to be proven wrong… |
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Post by inger on Jul 10, 2021 9:38:40 GMT -5
I have to wonder what Chapman and/or the Yankees are doing right now to “fix” Chapman. As it stands, there is no reason to use to disable him, though he’s about as disabled as anyone can be. He’s taking up a roster space, but we can’t use him.
Is he throwing ad nauseum? Studying film? Throwing rubber balls against the garage door like I did when I was a boy? What do you do? …
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 10, 2021 9:44:50 GMT -5
I have to wonder what Chapman and/or the Yankees are doing right now to “fix” Chapman. As it stands, there is no reason to use to disable him, though he’s about as disabled as anyone can be. He’s taking up a roster space, but we can’t use him. Is he throwing ad nauseum? Studying film? Throwing rubber balls against the garage door like I did when I was a boy? What do you do? … Chapman is a serious test for this boy wonder pitching coach the Yankees have. |
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Post by inger on Jul 10, 2021 9:50:53 GMT -5
I have to wonder what Chapman and/or the Yankees are doing right now to “fix” Chapman. As it stands, there is no reason to use to disable him, though he’s about as disabled as anyone can be. He’s taking up a roster space, but we can’t use him. Is he throwing ad nauseum? Studying film? Throwing rubber balls against the garage door like I did when I was a boy? What do you do? … Chapman is a serious test for this boy wonder pitching coach the Yankees have. Aroldis, I mean, Mr. Chapman, sir. It says here in “The Art of Pitching” that no one can physically do what you’ve been doing the past 20 years. Have you tried the grip Mr. Wilhelm used? … |
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