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Post by noetsi on Sept 24, 2021 9:41:38 GMT -5
No I am saying they will do nothing until someone gets killed. Which already happened in the majors once long ago.
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Post by inger on Sept 24, 2021 11:50:34 GMT -5
No I am saying they will do nothing until someone gets killed. Which already happened in the majors once long ago. I was pulling your leg, Russ…I hope we never see another death related to the sport. I suppose the odds say we’re overdue… |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 24, 2021 12:25:45 GMT -5
Cleveland shortstop Ray Chapman was the player killed. Carl Mays of the Yankees threw the pitch. It happened at the Polo Grounds in August 1920.
There is an excellent book on the subject, "The Pitch That Killed" that is sitting on my bookshelf upstairs but which I am too lazy to retrieve to look up the author.
Chapman was a popular player who had recently married into a prominent Cleveland family and whose wife was pregnant with their child. Mays was a surly, generally disliked spitballing submariner with a reputation for headhunting. The public quickly made up its mind on apportioning blame.
The case went to the New York DA, who quickly dismissed it as an accident. Mays pitched another nine years and finished with just under HOF stats.
It did lead to changes like banning foreign substances on the ball and more frequent substitution of balls during a game. The ball that struck Chapman was, typically for its day, soiled and hard to pick up on that overcast afternoon. Chapman appeared to freeze and seemed to have never seen the ball.
Batting helmets were still far in the future.
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Post by inger on Sept 24, 2021 12:38:46 GMT -5
Cleveland shortstop Ray Chapman was the player killed. Carl Mays of the Yankees threw the pitch. It happened at the Polo Grounds in August 1920. There is an excellent book on the subject, "The Pitch That Killed" that is sitting on my bookshelf upstairs but which I am too lazy to retrieve to look up the author. Chapman was a popular player who had recently married into a prominent Cleveland family and whose wife was pregnant with their child. Mays was a surly, generally disliked spitballing submariner with a reputation for headhunting. The public quickly made up its mind on apportioning blame. The case went to the New York DA, who quickly dismissed it as an accident. Mays pitched another nine years and finished with just under HOF stats. It did lead to changes like banning foreign substances on the ball and more frequent substitution of balls during a game. The ball that struck Chapman was, typically for its day, soiled and hard to pick up on that overcast afternoon. Chapman appeared to freeze and seemed to have never seen the ball. Batting helmets were still far in the future. And so 101 years later we still haven’t seen the second incidence. This despite the acknowledged and inherent risk involved. I don’t expect we’ll ever see a player charged with murder. Even the intent to strike a man with the ball, as dastardly as that would be is not grounds to show intent for the pitch to kill him. To maim, perhaps. Many players since Chapman have been hit in the head, and none have died. The batting helmet provides an extra later of protection… |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 24, 2021 18:01:24 GMT -5
That there is evidence that someone planned to kill someone I think. But this is based on actions, or sometimes statements, not knowing what someone is thinking. Its impossible to know what someone is thinking, you have to infer this from behavior. The definition of premeditated is “thought out before.” |
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