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Post by noetsi on Sept 22, 2021 22:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Sept 22, 2021 22:40:19 GMT -5
Proof of intent would impossible. No one can read the human mind. Only a foolish pitcher would confess. Case closed…
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Post by noetsi on Sept 22, 2021 22:44:27 GMT -5
I doubt the player would have taken a plea if they believed that. You don't to know what is in someone's mind to convict of a crime. Or no one would go to jail for murder.
If if can happen in hockey it could happen in baseball.
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Post by noetsi on Sept 22, 2021 22:50:12 GMT -5
"The incident: An aging Marty McSorley had his hands full when he dropped the gloves with heavyweight Donald Brashear during a game between the Bruins and Canucks on February 21, 2000. Brashear got the best of McSorley and the brash enforcer rubbed it in, dusting off his hands and mocking his opponent. McSorley, seeking to save face, tried to entice Brashear into another bout later in the game, but Brashear wouldn’t take the bait. McSorley trailed Brashear as he skated down the ice, suddenly slashing him hard on the side of the head. Brashear toppled to the ice unconscious. McSorly was suspended for the remainder of the season (23 games) and never played again in the NHL. He was later charged with assault. The outcome: McSorley was found guilty of assault with a weapon and was sentenced to 18 months probation." toronto.citynews.ca/2016/02/09/some-notable-on-ice-incidents-that-led-to-criminal-charges/It has happened to high school football players, being charged, not sure if this ever happened in the NFL. Players were charged with assault, but for incidents off the field. So obviously it happens |
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Post by inger on Sept 23, 2021 9:23:48 GMT -5
"The incident: An aging Marty McSorley had his hands full when he dropped the gloves with heavyweight Donald Brashear during a game between the Bruins and Canucks on February 21, 2000. Brashear got the best of McSorley and the brash enforcer rubbed it in, dusting off his hands and mocking his opponent. McSorley, seeking to save face, tried to entice Brashear into another bout later in the game, but Brashear wouldn’t take the bait. McSorley trailed Brashear as he skated down the ice, suddenly slashing him hard on the side of the head. Brashear toppled to the ice unconscious. McSorly was suspended for the remainder of the season (23 games) and never played again in the NHL. He was later charged with assault. The outcome: McSorley was found guilty of assault with a weapon and was sentenced to 18 months probation." toronto.citynews.ca/2016/02/09/some-notable-on-ice-incidents-that-led-to-criminal-charges/It has happened to high school football players, being charged, not sure if this ever happened in the NFL. Players were charged with assault, but for incidents off the field. So obviously it happens A hockey stick is more like a bat than a ball, plus the situation had full intent written all over it. I could have seen Roseboro suing or charging Marichal, for instance. A thrown baseball? Not so much. It’s too hard to control where they go. You should try throwing one about thirty times once. Even at 40 miles an hour they’re erratic… |
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Post by inger on Sept 23, 2021 9:30:06 GMT -5
I could also see someone being charged for something out of the bounds of the usual pushing and shoving in a baseball brawl. I can’t recall the players involved but the were MLB players. One player said that as everyone was just finishing the laughing, fake punching, etc. that one other particular player he named was standing to the outside of the pile. Anyone that got near to him was getting kicked, so player A wound up being spiked with a kick and the injury bender his season and eventually his career. Intent was obvious…
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Post by noetsi on Sept 23, 2021 10:10:07 GMT -5
I think its pretty obvious sometimes when a player is hitting another player.
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Post by inger on Sept 23, 2021 11:03:47 GMT -5
I think its pretty obvious sometimes when a player is hitting another player. Pretty obvious and clear contempt are too very different things. Too bad Fatness is no longer posting. He’d surely know… |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 23, 2021 18:29:54 GMT -5
I doubt the player would have taken a plea if they believed that. You don't to know what is in someone's mind to convict of a crime. Or no one would go to jail for murder. If if can happen in hockey it could happen in baseball. You do if the charge is murder, which is homicide with intent. |
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Post by noetsi on Sept 23, 2021 20:04:26 GMT -5
It is impossible to know what someone is thinking. So they prove intent without that. If they behave in a certain way they infer what the thought.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 23, 2021 20:32:17 GMT -5
It is impossible to know what someone is thinking. So they prove intent without that. If they behave in a certain way they infer what the thought. What is the definition of premeditated? |
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Post by noetsi on Sept 23, 2021 21:15:11 GMT -5
That there is evidence that someone planned to kill someone I think. But this is based on actions, or sometimes statements, not knowing what someone is thinking. Its impossible to know what someone is thinking, you have to infer this from behavior.
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Post by inger on Sept 23, 2021 21:33:22 GMT -5
It is impossible to know what someone is thinking. So they prove intent without that. If they behave in a certain way they infer what the thought. What is the definition of premeditated? Does it involve an air fryer? It gets so sticky. Unfortunately human verbiage is such that someone angry at another person my utter the words, “I’ll kill you” without meaning it. Sometimes it’s in a joking way, and sometimes it’s said in a moment of passion when the person saying the words would never do it. The first step is to prove the crime. A murder HBP) has been committed. Is there a witness. Does someone talk? Is there motive? I think in baseball, we can often suspect motive. There is even a “code” in the sport where certain acts are expected to be retaliated. But I don’t see the correlation between murder and an HBP. Only one MLB player has ever died from an HBP. Many have been harmed to the point of ending their careers and even affecting their later life. To me, it would be a civil issue, whereupon a player could sue for damages. I have no idea if the basic agreement has language to coved this. Or if individual contracts may cover injury on a player to player basis within the game. To me, a professional, even an amateur participates in sports with knowledge aforethought that they could be injured. The subject is much ado about nothing.., |
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Post by noetsi on Sept 23, 2021 23:00:45 GMT -5
Until some one gets killed anyway.
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Post by inger on Sept 23, 2021 23:19:51 GMT -5
Until some one gets killed anyway. You never said anything about killing until now. I see you’ve premeditated this situation. You may be charged as an accessory. Consider yourself a suspect. My “perp”… |
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