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Post by bearman on Oct 8, 2021 14:06:55 GMT -5
Taking a deep breath to ponder construction of the 2022 New York Yankees, it is my suspicion little shall change with the pitching staff. Cole shall be expected to lead the stable of arms with Jameson Taillon and Jordan Montgomery penciled in behind him. Being that both Taillon and Monty shall be another year away from their respective injuries and surgeries with a full, regular season in between, one would hope the training wheels are taken off in terms of innings restrictions and pampering. Put another way, please let these guys work out of trouble in the fourth and fifth innings. German and Nestor and Sevy and King shall be good competition for the final two rotation spots. I am leaving out Kluber because he shall likely want more money and more years than his previous one-year deal. In actuality, I wouldn't mind resigning him, if he would take a reasonable one or two-year deal. I know his injury history, but more than anyone else on this staff, he knows how to pitch and I would wager a two-dollar bill that he has another good season in him. Even as rusty as he was to begin the season, in 80 innings he allowed fewer than a hit per inning and just a bit more than a strikeout per inning. His no hitter was wonderful to watch a craftsman at work. Also, do not forget about Luis Gil, who was only throttled by the Yankees' fear of him being throttled apparently. I can see him being pulled up if needed, as a starter or as a reliever, should we lose a key man to injury. I doubt we shall see more than one addition to the bullpen, as I believe the Yankees like what they finished with overall. Other than the split nail, a bout with COVID, and the little over a month where he lost his mechanics, Chapman was healthy and effective. From August to October, Chapman struck out 32 in 18 and 2/3rd innings and allowed only 1 run in his last 10 appearances. Loaisiga has moved into the fireman's role of seventh or eighth set-up man to shut down a rally by the opposition. With Green and Holmes, the fact that Britton will be paid to rehab next season won't hurt a bit. Wandy and Luetge have proven better than the likes of Jonathan Holder and even Luis Cessa. Add in German or Gil or Nestor or King from the rotation competition and the bullpen is a definitive strength, even without a free agent signing. Also, I really liked the kid Ridings. Hopefully, he can be healthy and build on a decent Cup of Joe last season. And, Abreu acquitted himself well for the most part last season with nothing wrong with his arm. I would be remiss if I did not mention Clarke Schmidt, whom I have never been as high on as the pundits and the Yankees. I always preferred Michael King to him. In short, there is lots to like about the depth in the bullpen and the starting rotation, even without replacing Kluber or Britton, which the Yankees shall more than likely try to do. I'm with you on the pitching rizzuto. To me that is the least of our worries. The position group is what worries me. It baffles me that a lineup that includes Torres, Urshela, Sanchez, DJ, Rizzo, and Voit can be so terrible hitting in the clutch. There is also an alarming lack of athleticism and mediocre defense with this lineup. I don't know the answers and I hate to give up on some of those(DJ is around for awhile) but I just don't see us competing for a championship with this group. It appears we have some help in the minors. I know that some of their successes have been in A-AA but I believe this time next year we will know what we have in terms of them being able to produce at the Major League level. I would rather wait than hand out big contracts to players that will only prevent our prospects from playing in the bigs, and I'm not usually the patient type when it comes to the Yankees.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 8, 2021 15:03:39 GMT -5
Continuing with meandering thoughts of next season, the position of catcher must be addressed. Higashioka is a solid defensive back-up who can run into a fastball over the plate and deposit it into the bullpen. But, Higgy ain't a starter. He just doesn't have the swing or the eye to be more than a once or twice per week player.
Gary Sandwich has returned to his interstate numbers of a batting average. Except for a wonderful June, Sanchez was awful offensively. His second half numbers: .183/.273/.373/.646. Nearly identical to his 2018 numbers, when everyone thought it was just a bad year: .186/.291/.406/.697.
Compare that with Higashioka's numbers: .181/.246/.389/.635. Even without regular playing time, the numbers are strikingly similar. Did I already mention that Higgy isn’t a starter? Sanchez actually stands to have a salary increase next season through arbitration, which would be north of 6.35 million dollars he made this season. The only reason Sandwich has an OPS+ of 99 is that one good month of June. Unfortunately, there are not many catchers on the market who can catch and hit. But, what of Sanchez' catching? Our eyes tell us that Higashioka is superior defensively. There is a reason Cole wants Higgy behind the plate.
The Yankees have Sandwich on one knee, which was supposed to help his pitch framing. Sandwich finished in the 17th percentile in pitch framing this season. According to Baseball-Savant, Sandwich was 55 out of 59 catchers in assisting pitchers with close pitches becoming strikes. Higashioka, even with far fewer innings and pitches received, was 13th out of 59. And, Sandwich's caught stealing percentage - once a strength - was a career low 17 percent. (Granted, Higgy's percentage was also abysmal).
If Sanchez cannot be traded - and the Yankees should try really hard to do so - they need to think about releasing him; however, I have this vision of the Red Sox picking him up and balls launching over the Green Monster - albeit with a .200 batting average. Realistically, Sanchez will likely get another chance next season in Pinstripes before being released. If it were me, I'd trade him for whatever I can get, but I would hesitate to pay him to play for someone else. Evidently, one good month will still allow a catcher to be no worse than right at league average these days.
Throw away the juiced ball 2019, and this is who Gary Sanchez is offensively and defensively since 2018, heading into 2022.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 8, 2021 16:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Oct 8, 2021 17:00:39 GMT -5
Thank you for that one good start against Boston. And nothing else...
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Post by noetsi on Oct 8, 2021 17:00:54 GMT -5
I hope they get no pitchers. Pitching is not their problem. A complete inability to hit the ball is their problem.
We waste far too much money on pitchers now.
I think they will go after a shortstop which would fix their whole infield at one blow. And look for a cheap catcher. I am hoping they release Sanchez. Rizzo is likely gone because they will not pay him. Gardner may also go or be let go I am not sure. Hopefully Gallo leaves to.
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Post by inger on Oct 8, 2021 19:36:16 GMT -5
I would never go an entire off season without an upgrade to the starting rotation. Some of our current arms are expendable to help with acquiring offensive and defensive help that we need.
I agree with Rizzuto that our pitching is a strength, but I also know that you should trade from your strength to correct weaknesses.
I don’t believe our offense is as bad as it appeared this season. Some players had off seasons. Add to that the awful base running, and that many players performed below expectations in terms of hitting into DPs and having unusually poor luck hitting in the clutch, and I would expect more of the same group next season.
That said, I would still make changes. I wish we had made the move for Realmuto a couple of seasons ago, and had dealt for a real SS. Sanchez has become a tired old war horse. I don’t mind the Gallo/ Judge corners in the outfield, but if anyone is dreaming that Hicks / Gardner is a good center field talent combo, they need a whipping. I’d like to a Cedric Mullins type in CF. One that hits and runs well. Maybe with a better arm than Cedric…
My faith in Stanton is restored, even though I realize the risk that entails. I’m still quite concerned with his occasion obvious inability to run and that very stiff-looking posture he carries.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 8, 2021 19:52:52 GMT -5
Taking a deep breath to ponder construction of the 2022 New York Yankees, it is my suspicion little shall change with the pitching staff. Cole shall be expected to lead the stable of arms with Jameson Taillon and Jordan Montgomery penciled in behind him. Being that both Taillon and Monty shall be another year away from their respective injuries and surgeries with a full, regular season in between, one would hope the training wheels are taken off in terms of innings restrictions and pampering. Put another way, please let these guys work out of trouble in the fourth and fifth innings. German and Nestor and Sevy and King shall be good competition for the final two rotation spots. I am leaving out Kluber because he shall likely want more money and more years than his previous one-year deal. In actuality, I wouldn't mind resigning him, if he would take a reasonable one or two-year deal. I know his injury history, but more than anyone else on this staff, he knows how to pitch and I would wager a two-dollar bill that he has another good season in him. Even as rusty as he was to begin the season, in 80 innings he allowed fewer than a hit per inning and just a bit more than a strikeout per inning. His no hitter was wonderful to watch a craftsman at work. Also, do not forget about Luis Gil, who was only throttled by the Yankees' fear of him being throttled apparently. I can see him being pulled up if needed, as a starter or as a reliever, should we lose a key man to injury. I doubt we shall see more than one addition to the bullpen, as I believe the Yankees like what they finished with overall. Other than the split nail, a bout with COVID, and the little over a month where he lost his mechanics, Chapman was healthy and effective. From August to October, Chapman struck out 32 in 18 and 2/3rd innings and allowed only 1 run in his last 10 appearances. Loaisiga has moved into the fireman's role of seventh or eighth set-up man to shut down a rally by the opposition. With Green and Holmes, the fact that Britton will be paid to rehab next season won't hurt a bit. Wandy and Luetge have proven better than the likes of Jonathan Holder and even Luis Cessa. Add in German or Gil or Nestor or King from the rotation competition and the bullpen is a definitive strength, even without a free agent signing. Also, I really liked the kid Ridings. Hopefully, he can be healthy and build on a decent Cup of Joe last season. And, Abreu acquitted himself well for the most part last season with nothing wrong with his arm. I would be remiss if I did not mention Clarke Schmidt, whom I have never been as high on as the pundits and the Yankees. I always preferred Michael King to him. In short, there is lots to like about the depth in the bullpen and the starting rotation, even without replacing Kluber or Britton, which the Yankees shall more than likely try to do. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting on the pitching situation, Rizz. Hard to disagree with your take. Including rating King above Schmidt. King just seems to have better stuff. Not that it needs to be a priority, but the free agent market for starters doesn't offer many realistic prospects. There are HOFers like Scherzer and Kershaw and Greinke out there, but given their ages and likely cost, they don't seem likely to be pursued by the Yankees. I don't think Robbie Ray is happening, and no thanks to a recycled James Paxton. Maybe Zach Davies is worth a look? Relief pitchers are such erratic commodities. Guys the Yanks spent fairly big bucks on like Britton, O'Day and Wilson didn't do squat. Discount bin rejects like Luetge, Peralta and Holmes were outstanding. But they might not be next year. It's a constant work in progress. If the Yankees don't re-sign Rizzo and want to move on from Voit, the main FAs are Freddie Freeman and Brandon Belt. I would love to have Freeman, but it’s hard to imagine him playing anywhere but Atlanta. Belt is still good, but he's 34. Maybe an insane offer gets you Freeman? Could it make sense to check out Kris Bryant and move Gio to short? Maybe if you don't get Seager or Correa. We may be stuck at catcher, at least if we're looking at FAs. Buster Posey will be 35 and I imagine would want to stay with the Giants. That market is thin. Sanchez is a FA after next year. A rather bleak outlook there. I have zero faith in Hicks. I'd be okay with trying to sign Marte. It's a tough division that isn't going to get any easier next year.
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Post by Renfield on Oct 8, 2021 21:43:03 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Oct 8, 2021 22:25:05 GMT -5
Freddy Freeman, Kris Bryant, Carl Schwarber. Thst’s about the extent of free agents I would pine over.
And of course I still like Robbie Ray.
Freeman could be a major difference maker…
The pitching is all pretty much poop on a stick after Ray…
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2021 8:34:22 GMT -5
Freddy Freeman, Kris Bryant, Carl Schwarber. Thst’s about the extent of free agents I would pine over. And of course I still like Robbie Ray. Freeman could be a major difference maker… The pitching is all pretty much poop on a stick after Ray… We can easily get Carl Schwarber. I don’t think a single team will be interested. In fact, I’d be surprised if anyone has even heard of him.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 9, 2021 8:58:23 GMT -5
Freddy Freeman, Kris Bryant, Carl Schwarber. Thst’s about the extent of free agents I would pine over. And of course I still like Robbie Ray. Freeman could be a major difference maker… The pitching is all pretty much poop on a stick after Ray… We can easily get Carl Schwarber. I don’t think a single team will be interested. In fact, I’d be surprised if anyone has even heard of him. Could be one of those under-the-radar pickups Cashman is famous for. The guy I want is Mort Scherzer. Maybe not as good as Max, but much more affordable.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2021 9:07:35 GMT -5
We can easily get Carl Schwarber. I don’t think a single team will be interested. In fact, I’d be surprised if anyone has even heard of him. Could be one of those under-the-radar pickups Cashman is famous for. The guy I want is Mort Scherzer. Maybe not as good as Max, but much more affordable. There's a guy named Ty Young that we may want to give a workout. Here in Texas, Roland Ryan is available, as well a Ron Drysdale and a little known baggage checker named Randy Kofax, who may not be able to pitch on Saturdays. Inger may be on to something.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2021 9:33:02 GMT -5
Taking a deep breath to ponder construction of the 2022 New York Yankees, it is my suspicion little shall change with the pitching staff. Cole shall be expected to lead the stable of arms with Jameson Taillon and Jordan Montgomery penciled in behind him. Being that both Taillon and Monty shall be another year away from their respective injuries and surgeries with a full, regular season in between, one would hope the training wheels are taken off in terms of innings restrictions and pampering. Put another way, please let these guys work out of trouble in the fourth and fifth innings. German and Nestor and Sevy and King shall be good competition for the final two rotation spots. I am leaving out Kluber because he shall likely want more money and more years than his previous one-year deal. In actuality, I wouldn't mind resigning him, if he would take a reasonable one or two-year deal. I know his injury history, but more than anyone else on this staff, he knows how to pitch and I would wager a two-dollar bill that he has another good season in him. Even as rusty as he was to begin the season, in 80 innings he allowed fewer than a hit per inning and just a bit more than a strikeout per inning. His no hitter was wonderful to watch a craftsman at work. Also, do not forget about Luis Gil, who was only throttled by the Yankees' fear of him being throttled apparently. I can see him being pulled up if needed, as a starter or as a reliever, should we lose a key man to injury. I doubt we shall see more than one addition to the bullpen, as I believe the Yankees like what they finished with overall. Other than the split nail, a bout with COVID, and the little over a month where he lost his mechanics, Chapman was healthy and effective. From August to October, Chapman struck out 32 in 18 and 2/3rd innings and allowed only 1 run in his last 10 appearances. Loaisiga has moved into the fireman's role of seventh or eighth set-up man to shut down a rally by the opposition. With Green and Holmes, the fact that Britton will be paid to rehab next season won't hurt a bit. Wandy and Luetge have proven better than the likes of Jonathan Holder and even Luis Cessa. Add in German or Gil or Nestor or King from the rotation competition and the bullpen is a definitive strength, even without a free agent signing. Also, I really liked the kid Ridings. Hopefully, he can be healthy and build on a decent Cup of Joe last season. And, Abreu acquitted himself well for the most part last season with nothing wrong with his arm. I would be remiss if I did not mention Clarke Schmidt, whom I have never been as high on as the pundits and the Yankees. I always preferred Michael King to him. In short, there is lots to like about the depth in the bullpen and the starting rotation, even without replacing Kluber or Britton, which the Yankees shall more than likely try to do. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting on the pitching situation, Rizz. Hard to disagree with your take. Including rating King above Schmidt. King just seems to have better stuff. Not that it needs to be a priority, but the free agent market for starters doesn't offer many realistic prospects. There are HOFers like Scherzer and Kershaw and Greinke out there, but given their ages and likely cost, they don't seem likely to be pursued by the Yankees. I don't think Robbie Ray is happening, and no thanks to a recycled James Paxton. Maybe Zach Davies is worth a look? Relief pitchers are such erratic commodities. Guys the Yanks spent fairly big bucks on like Britton, O'Day and Wilson didn't do squat. Discount bin rejects like Luetge, Peralta and Holmes were outstanding. But they might not be next year. It's a constant work in progress. If the Yankees don't re-sign Rizzo and want to move on from Voit, the main FAs are Freddie Freeman and Brandon Belt. I would love to have Freeman, but it’s hard to imagine him playing anywhere but Atlanta. Belt is still good, but he's 34. Maybe an insane offer gets you Freeman? Could it make sense to check out Kris Bryant and move Gio to short? Maybe if you don't get Seager or Correa. We may be stuck at catcher, at least if we're looking at FAs. Buster Posey will be 35 and I imagine would want to stay with the Giants. That market is thin. Sanchez is a FA after next year. A rather bleak outlook there. I have zero faith in Hicks. I'd be okay with trying to sign Marte. It's a tough division that isn't going to get any easier next year. I am not sold on Gio at shortstop. The knock on Urshela at third was his range, and that has not increased at an even more demanding position. No doubt he's sure handed with an accurate arm, but I believe he's better suited to third base. Bryant can play anywhere, in fact he played first base with the Cubs when Rizzo's back was ailing or he just needed a day off. Granted, KB is not Rizzo at first, but he's better than Voit. Bryant also - by his own admission - enjoys centerfield more than the corner outfield positions. He's more lithe and light on his feet than Judge, Stanton, and even Gallo. What an outfield that would be! The problem is he's another right handed power hitter who will command a treasure chest for whichever team signs him. And, as you mentioned, Hicks (Ugh!) will be back next season, and I believe Gallo has another year remaining on his contract. Zach Davies is an interesting piece. He knows how to pitch - a crafty right-hander - and lives and dies with a brilliant change up. Not a soft-tosser really, but he's not a ramp-up guy. He changes speeds and location. He can also eat innings and is fun to watch negotiate a lineup. For any career National League pitcher, there is always a tendency in me to pause and hold my breath. Can they handle the AL East? Not having an automatic out in the ninth spot and pitching around the eighth in the lineup? The bright lights of NY? I believe Davies could do so. He's a laid back, quiet guy who takes the ball every fifth day and thinks his way through the game. Freeman would be fantastic, but as you said, it is probably expected that he'll retire with the Braves.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 9, 2021 11:12:35 GMT -5
First base. The future looked bright several years ago with Judge, Sanchez, Bird, Andujar, and Torres as the next core of what would surely produce multiple championship rings. The sound you just heard was that of a crash and multiple-car pileup.
When healthy, Judge is an MVP candidate. But, this season would mark only his second truly healthy season. And, he was an old rookie, and no one knows how a guy his size will age because there has never been a 6'7" 282 pound gold glove caliber right fielder who can also play centerfield. Will he eventually need to move to first base?
A cerebral athlete and hard worker, Judge could probably become quite serviceable at the position and a tough target to miss. Of course, this is likely four or five years down the road, but other than Teixeira, the Yankees have had a turnstile of inadequate first basemen ever since the acquisition of Jason Giambi twenty years ago. Either they can hit and not field, field and not hit, or cannot stay healthy. Freddie Freeman can hit and field and is left handed. Seemingly around forever, he just turned 32, having started his career in MLB at just 20 years old. He's more durable than Rizzo (same age), who has been losing playing time and power to a chronically bad back. Is it realistic that the Braves would let Freeman walk? Seemingly, no, but they are reportedly far apart in negotiations.
For me, the Yankees' greatest position of need is shortstop, and the Yankees' brass has apparently given up on Torres, who has cemented himself at second base due to his play at short. Of course, that leaves LeMahieu without a position, which was the scenario when the Yankees first signed him as an everyday utility man. If the Yankees make the big splash at shortstop (Correa, Seager), I expect LeMahieu to become the everyday first baseman.
Will the Yankees wait on Peraza, who is supposedly only a year or two from becoming the everyday shortstop? Evidently, his defense at the position is already major league ready (I read that on another Yankee forum yesterday from someone supposedly plugged into the minor league system - T. Marino?), and barring an injury or a collapse, Volpe will likely begin converting to second base because while his defense is okay at shortstop, it apparently is not on the same tier as Peraza.
As I have said elsewhere, I like Rizzo a lot. But, he's probably looking at his last big payday, while his back holds up. Unless he really enjoyed Pinstripes, I doubt he forgoes the highest bidder, which is not likely to be the Yankees, especially with a hole at short and too many second basemen currently on the roster (Torres, LeMahieu, Wade, Odor).
One thing is certain. The Yankees need to be more athletic defensively and on the bases, and since you cannot get out of the contract for Stanton without his permission, bulkheads like Sanchez and Voit need to go. If I am the GM, I pencil in LeMahieu at first base next season, Torres at second, and land a difference maker at shortstop.
Is an infield of LeMahieu at third, Urshela at shortstop, Torres at second, and a true first basemen like Rizzo or Freeman the best way to go? LeMahieu is not a natural third baseman, Urshela is not a natural shortstop, and Torres is not gold glover caliber at second like LeMahieu or Wade. That's a serviceable infield, but being out of their best positions, is it special? Not likely, but it would be a more inexpensive option while Peraza and Volpe near the wall of success or failure between AAA and The Show in a year or two, rather than signing Correa at 7 years and 250+ million dollars.
Would the Yankees pay 100 million for only three players (Correa, Cole, Stanton) with Judge needing to be signed after next season?
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Post by inger on Oct 9, 2021 12:06:10 GMT -5
You guys just couldn’t let ONE little thing go, could you? It’s so obvious that I wanted us to sign Carl Sagan… 😂
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