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Post by domeplease on Jan 24, 2022 17:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jan 25, 2022 1:49:36 GMT -5
Results announced today at 6pm. Ortiz Bonds and Clemens seems to be the only ones with any kind of shot. With 48% of the ballots announced Ortiz is at 84.6%, Bonds 77.7%, Clemens 76.6%.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 25, 2022 7:07:33 GMT -5
Results announced today at 6pm. Ortiz Bonds and Clemens seems to be the only ones with any kind of shot. With 48% of the ballots announced Ortiz is at 84.6%, Bonds 77.7%, Clemens 76.6%. That could be an awkward induction ceremony. Let's see if it paves the way for guys like Palmeiro or McGwire. Or A-Rod.🤮 |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jan 25, 2022 10:28:30 GMT -5
Results announced today at 6pm. Ortiz Bonds and Clemens seems to be the only ones with any kind of shot. With 48% of the ballots announced Ortiz is at 84.6%, Bonds 77.7%, Clemens 76.6%. That could be an awkward induction ceremony. Let's see if it paves the way for guys like Palmeiro or McGwire. Or A-Rod.🤮 Arod surprisingly is at 38.9% which is surprising considering Bonds got 36.8% in his first year. I thought he would have no shot ever cause of all the history with steroids etc but that's a fairly high number for a first time of voting with known and not rumored uses. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jan 25, 2022 10:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by domeplease on Jan 25, 2022 18:25:54 GMT -5
David Ortiz Inducted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame
The Hall of Fame announced this evening that David Ortiz has been inducted by the Baseball Writers Association of America. He is the only player inducted by the BBWAA in this year’s election cycle.
BRAVO!!! HE DESERVED IT.
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 25, 2022 19:23:27 GMT -5
David Ortiz Inducted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame
The Hall of Fame announced this evening that David Ortiz has been inducted by the Baseball Writers Association of America. He is the only player inducted by the BBWAA in this year’s election cycle.
BRAVO!!! HE DESERVED IT.
"In 1996, when Ortiz was traded by the Mariners to the Twins, a Minnesota newspaper reported his weight as 190 pounds. He was released by the Twins at the age of 27, then blossomed into an elite slugger in Boston in 2003, when the Sox listed him at 230 pounds. The 2003 season was also the year in which Ortiz tested positive for PEDs, according to the New York Times, along with Manny, Sosa, and A-Rod." "Everybody loves Big Papi, including a commissioner desperately in need of the good publicity that certainly will accompany the induction of baseball’s Santa Claus. Ortiz is the only PED suspect who ever got a presidential pardon from the commissioner of baseball. But even hard-core Red Sox fans must see that Ortiz’s career curve is curious. "In 2009, Ortiz lost his skills to the point of near release (.238, 148 at-bats without a home run), but in 2016 — at the age of 40 — he had his bat speed up to the level of 26-year-old Giancarlo Stanton. In the final year of his career, Ortiz’s exit velocity was in the top 2 percent of all MLB players." As we all know, everyone's bat speed decreases at age 33 and then magically increases at age 40.  |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 25, 2022 20:51:18 GMT -5
David Ortiz Inducted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame
The Hall of Fame announced this evening that David Ortiz has been inducted by the Baseball Writers Association of America. He is the only player inducted by the BBWAA in this year’s election cycle.
BRAVO!!! HE DESERVED IT.
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Post by inger on Jan 25, 2022 21:38:40 GMT -5
David Ortiz Inducted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame
The Hall of Fame announced this evening that David Ortiz has been inducted by the Baseball Writers Association of America. He is the only player inducted by the BBWAA in this year’s election cycle.
BRAVO!!! HE DESERVED IT.
Long before he was INDUCTED He was INJECTED… |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 26, 2022 9:02:52 GMT -5
David Ortiz Inducted Into Baseball Hall Of Fame
The Hall of Fame announced this evening that David Ortiz has been inducted by the Baseball Writers Association of America. He is the only player inducted by the BBWAA in this year’s election cycle.
BRAVO!!! HE DESERVED IT.
"In 1996, when Ortiz was traded by the Mariners to the Twins, a Minnesota newspaper reported his weight as 190 pounds. He was released by the Twins at the age of 27, then blossomed into an elite slugger in Boston in 2003, when the Sox listed him at 230 pounds. The 2003 season was also the year in which Ortiz tested positive for PEDs, according to the New York Times, along with Manny, Sosa, and A-Rod." "Everybody loves Big Papi, including a commissioner desperately in need of the good publicity that certainly will accompany the induction of baseball’s Santa Claus. Ortiz is the only PED suspect who ever got a presidential pardon from the commissioner of baseball. But even hard-core Red Sox fans must see that Ortiz’s career curve is curious. "In 2009, Ortiz lost his skills to the point of near release (.238, 148 at-bats without a home run), but in 2016 — at the age of 40 — he had his bat speed up to the level of 26-year-old Giancarlo Stanton. In the final year of his career, Ortiz’s exit velocity was in the top 2 percent of all MLB players." As we all know, everyone's bat speed decreases at age 33 and then magically increases at age 40. Best summation of the case I've seen. Your editorial comments are spot on. It's as blatant as Bonds or Clemens, except with those guys you can at least make an argument that they showed Hall of Fame talent before they clearly began juicing. |
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Post by inger on Jan 26, 2022 9:37:14 GMT -5
www.bostonglobe.com/2022/01/25/sports/david-ortizs-election-seems-be-another-sign-shift-hall-fame-voting-philosophy/"In 1996, when Ortiz was traded by the Mariners to the Twins, a Minnesota newspaper reported his weight as 190 pounds. He was released by the Twins at the age of 27, then blossomed into an elite slugger in Boston in 2003, when the Sox listed him at 230 pounds. The 2003 season was also the year in which Ortiz tested positive for PEDs, according to the New York Times, along with Manny, Sosa, and A-Rod." "Everybody loves Big Papi, including a commissioner desperately in need of the good publicity that certainly will accompany the induction of baseball’s Santa Claus. Ortiz is the only PED suspect who ever got a presidential pardon from the commissioner of baseball. But even hard-core Red Sox fans must see that Ortiz’s career curve is curious. "In 2009, Ortiz lost his skills to the point of near release (.238, 148 at-bats without a home run), but in 2016 — at the age of 40 — he had his bat speed up to the level of 26-year-old Giancarlo Stanton. In the final year of his career, Ortiz’s exit velocity was in the top 2 percent of all MLB players." As we all know, everyone's bat speed decreases at age 33 and then magically increases at age 40. Best summation of the case I've seen. Your editorial comments are spot on. It's as blatant as Bonds or Clemens, except with those guys you can at least make an argument that they showed Hall of Fame talent before they clearly began juicing. It should also be noted that Ortiz weight with the Red Sox did not include his 35 pound head… |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 26, 2022 9:50:32 GMT -5
Schilling and Rolen denied again. As long as Dick Allen is kept out, they won't be first in line for my personal crusade for Cooperstown. And I was not a particular fan of either of them when they were active.
But jeez, Schilling is 22nd all-time in pitcher WAR among twentieth century or later pitchers. Just below Bob Gibson and well ahead of the next three behind him -- Tom Glavine, Justin Verlander and Clayton Kershaw. A 127 ERA+. Arguably the best post-season pitcher of his generation. Clearly his political views are keeping him out.
Rolen's support has jumped considerably over the years. He will probably eventually make it if he doesn't say anything controversial. Eight-time All Star, seven-time Gold Glove. Sixty-fourth all-time in WAR for position players. That alone is a lofty achievement.
I'm not losing any sleep over it in any event. But they both would get my vote.
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Post by inger on Jan 26, 2022 10:09:46 GMT -5
Schilling and Rolen denied again. As long as Dick Allen is kept out, they won't be first in line for my personal crusade for Cooperstown. And I was not a particular fan of either of them when they were active. But jeez, Schilling is 22nd all-time in pitcher WAR among twentieth century or later pitchers. Just below Bob Gibson and well ahead of the next three behind him -- Tom Glavine, Justin Verlander and Clayton Kershaw. A 127 ERA+. Arguably the best post-season pitcher of his generation. Clearly his political views are keeping him out. Rolen's support has jumped considerably over the years. He will probably eventually make it if he doesn't say anything controversial. Eight-time All Star, seven-time Gold Glove. Sixty-fourth all-time in WAR for position players. That alone is a lofty achievement. I'm not losing any sleep over it in any event. But they both would get my vote. Before I can think of adding anyone else, I’d like to just get a big dumpster and take everything out of the building. Then carefully review each item and decide what should go back in one item at a time. I’d want to carefully think about the era the players played in. How much space is in the building, how much of… everything. I’m sure the Babe’s plaque would go back on the wall. And Ty Cobb. And there would be more. I think some of that stuff would stay in the dumpster. Maybe a lot of it. I’d be the most hated man in the history of the sport. Get rid of of all those executives. Let someone open a hall of executive fame, but let’s not crowd them in among the players, the true Demi-gods of the sport. Field managers? Maybe. If they were in a separate part of the building. And I’d recognize the most Golden of Golden gloves in some special way, too. There should be a wing called “The Hall of What Were You Thinking”? There, Harold Baines could be polished and displayed. A fine man from all reports. He played a long time and accumulated mostly “bubbling under” stats. He’d have quite a few friends in there with him. Enough. I’m sure I’d never get around to straightening the place out. Heck, I need to straighten out our garage first… |
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Post by inger on Jan 26, 2022 10:12:18 GMT -5
Schilling and Rolen denied again. As long as Dick Allen is kept out, they won't be first in line for my personal crusade for Cooperstown. And I was not a particular fan of either of them when they were active. But jeez, Schilling is 22nd all-time in pitcher WAR among twentieth century or later pitchers. Just below Bob Gibson and well ahead of the next three behind him -- Tom Glavine, Justin Verlander and Clayton Kershaw. A 127 ERA+. Arguably the best post-season pitcher of his generation. Clearly his political views are keeping him out. Rolen's support has jumped considerably over the years. He will probably eventually make it if he doesn't say anything controversial. Eight-time All Star, seven-time Gold Glove. Sixty-fourth all-time in WAR for position players. That alone is a lofty achievement. I'm not losing any sleep over it in any event. But they both would get my vote. Before I can think of adding anyone else, I’d like to just get a big dumpster and take everything out of the building. Then carefully review each item and decide what should go back in one item at a time. I’d want to carefully think about the era the players played in. How much space is in the building, how much of… everything. I’m sure the Babe’s plaque would go back on the wall. And Ty Cobb. And there would be more. I think some of that stuff would stay in the dumpster. Maybe a lot of it. I’d be the most hated man in the history of the sport. Get rid of of all those executives. Let someone open a hall of executive fame, but let’s not crowd them in among the players, the true Demi-gods of the sport. Field managers? Maybe. If they were in a separate part of the building. And I’d recognize the most Golden of Golden gloves in some special way, too. There should be a wing called “The Hall of What Were You Thinking”? There, Harold Baines could be polished and displayed. A fine man from all reports. He played a long time and accumulated mostly “bubbling under” stats. He’d have quite a few friends in there with him. Enough. I’m sure I’d never get around to straightening the place out. Heck, I need to straighten out our garage first… PS: David Ortiz? Really? Maybe he could be kept out back in the yard with the stuff that won’t fit in the garage. Can we maybe afford a small utility shed to store him away from all the nice things. Maybe rent a storage locker? … |
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Post by domeplease on Jan 26, 2022 15:50:24 GMT -5
2023 Baseball Hall of Fame ballot: Scott Rolen, Todd Helton lead holdovers; Carlos Beltrán top newcomer
...So who are the newcomers?
Carlos Beltrán will headline the 2023 ballot first-timers, but he comes with controversy. The nine-time All-Star was punished by MLB prior to the 2020 season for his role in the Houston Astros’ sign-stealing scandal.
Other first-timers could include pitchers John Lackey and Francisco Rodriguez and outfielders Jacoby Ellsbury and Jayson Werth.
Here is a partial list of eligible first-time players for upcoming Hall of Fame elections:
2023: Carlos Beltrán, John Lackey, Francisco Rodríguez, Jayson Werth.
2024: Adrían Beltré, Joe Mauer, Chase Utley, David Wright.
2025: Brian McCann, CC Sabathia, Ichiro Suzuki, Troy Tulowitzki.
2026: Ryan Braun, Edwin Encarnación, Matt Kemp, Nick Markakis.
2027: Jay Bruce, Jon Lester, Buster Posey, Kyle Seager.
Tequila and I like the following Players to go into the HOF:
-- Carlos Beltrán (By Third Year) -- Ichiro Suzuki (First Year) -- CC Sabathia (By Third Year)
AND WE have not forgotten Jacoby Ellsbury (First Year into HOF Best Injuries Section)
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