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Post by inger on Jan 28, 2019 14:09:05 GMT -5
I don't recall the thread where a snippet of discussion arose about New York Yankees players that played for the team, left and returned came up, but I do recall pipps saying that he couldn't recall anyone that was a three time Yankee. I didn't either, but I just discovered one!
This particular player was drafted by the Yankees in 1950, joining the team as a part-time player in 1951. In 1956the KCA's purchased his contract and he became a highly productive starter for them for them until they traded him back to the Yankees in 1960 for Andy Carey. Left unprotected in the expansion draft, he was drafted by the Angels that winter.
In 1961, the Angels sent him back to the Yankees along with Tex Clevinger, in exchange for Ryne Duren, Johnny James and Lee Thomas. In 1962 he was purchased by the Houston Colt 45's, who released him a month later.
I think Pipps will know by now who he was...most of you are too young to know him. His name is Bob Cerv. passed away in 2017 at the age of 91.
His 1958 season was very good, as he hit .305/.371/.592 with 38 HR and 104 RBI for a poor KC team. He was an all-star for the only time in his career that year and finished 4th in the MVP balloting, one place ahead of Mickey Mantle, who hit .304/.442/.592 with 42 HR and 97 RBI. It strikes me as odd that Mantle finished so low in the voting that season, since the Yankees were the only team in the league that won over 90 games at 92-62, and that Jackie Jensen won the award while hitting .286/.396/.535 with 35 HR and 122 RBI for a third place Red Sox team (79-75). Bob Turley was 2nd as the Yankees highest finisher off a 21-7; 2.97 season on the mound. Perhaps that split the vote enough to hurt Mantle's chances that year...
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Post by desousa on Jan 31, 2019 14:21:50 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2019 14:59:22 GMT -5
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 31, 2019 16:21:02 GMT -5
I don't recall the thread where a snippet of discussion arose about New York Yankees players that played for the team, left and returned came up, but I do recall pipps saying that he couldn't recall anyone that was a three time Yankee. I didn't either, but I just discovered one! This particular player was drafted by the Yankees in 1950, joining the team as a part-time player in 1951. In 1956the KCA's purchased his contract and he became a highly productive starter for them for them until they traded him back to the Yankees in 1960 for Andy Carey. Left unprotected in the expansion draft, he was drafted by the Angels that winter. In 1961, the Angels sent him back to the Yankees along with Tex Clevinger, in exchange for Ryne Duren, Johnny James and Lee Thomas. In 1962 he was purchased by the Houston Colt 45's, who released him a month later. I think Pipps will know by now who he was...most of you are too young to know him. His name is Bob Cerv. passed away in 2017 at the age of 91. His 1958 season was very good, as he hit .305/.371/.592 with 38 HR and 104 RBI for a poor KC team. He was an all-star for the only time in his career that year and finished 4th in the MVP balloting, one place ahead of Mickey Mantle, who hit .304/.442/.592 with 42 HR and 97 RBI. It strikes me as odd that Mantle finished so low in the voting that season, since the Yankees were the only team in the league that won over 90 games at 92-62, and that Jackie Jensen won the award while hitting .286/.396/.535 with 35 HR and 122 RBI for a third place Red Sox team (79-75). Bob Turley was 2nd as the Yankees highest finisher off a 21-7; 2.97 season on the mound. Perhaps that split the vote enough to hurt Mantle's chances that year... Good find, Inger. Bob Cerv was one of those guys who could be very dangerous at the plate for short spurts when the stars were in the proper alignment. A useful bench guy. The main thing I remember about Bob Cerv was that he shared an apartment in Queens with Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris during their home run derby in 1961. As for Mantle and MVP awards -- I recall an article by Bill James many years ago in which he made the case that Mantle could justifiably been voted MVP every year for ten straight years, including the two years Roger Maris won it, and certainly the year Jackie Jensen won it. The voters just weren't going to let that happen, even though he was almost surely the best player in the AL each of those seasons, just like voters today could pretty well vote Mike Trout as MVP nearly every year. I think the case for Mantle was even stronger, in that the Yankees won the pennant nearly every season, which they would not have done without him. |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2019 18:00:13 GMT -5
I don't recall the thread where a snippet of discussion arose about New York Yankees players that played for the team, left and returned came up, but I do recall pipps saying that he couldn't recall anyone that was a three time Yankee. I didn't either, but I just discovered one! This particular player was drafted by the Yankees in 1950, joining the team as a part-time player in 1951. In 1956the KCA's purchased his contract and he became a highly productive starter for them for them until they traded him back to the Yankees in 1960 for Andy Carey. Left unprotected in the expansion draft, he was drafted by the Angels that winter. In 1961, the Angels sent him back to the Yankees along with Tex Clevinger, in exchange for Ryne Duren, Johnny James and Lee Thomas. In 1962 he was purchased by the Houston Colt 45's, who released him a month later. I think Pipps will know by now who he was...most of you are too young to know him. His name is Bob Cerv. passed away in 2017 at the age of 91. His 1958 season was very good, as he hit .305/.371/.592 with 38 HR and 104 RBI for a poor KC team. He was an all-star for the only time in his career that year and finished 4th in the MVP balloting, one place ahead of Mickey Mantle, who hit .304/.442/.592 with 42 HR and 97 RBI. It strikes me as odd that Mantle finished so low in the voting that season, since the Yankees were the only team in the league that won over 90 games at 92-62, and that Jackie Jensen won the award while hitting .286/.396/.535 with 35 HR and 122 RBI for a third place Red Sox team (79-75). Bob Turley was 2nd as the Yankees highest finisher off a 21-7; 2.97 season on the mound. Perhaps that split the vote enough to hurt Mantle's chances that year... Good find, Inger. Bob Cerv was one of those guys who could be very dangerous at the plate for short spurts when the stars were in the proper alignment. A useful bench guy. The main thing I remember about Bob Cerv was that he shared an apartment in Queens with Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris during their home run derby in 1961. As for Mantle and MVP awards -- I recall an article by Bill James many years ago in which he made the case that Mantle could justifiably been voted MVP every year for ten straight years, including the two years Roger Maris won it, and certainly the year Jackie Jensen won it. The voters just weren't going to let that happen, even though he was almost surely the best player in the AL each of those seasons, just like voters today could pretty well vote Mike Trout as MVP nearly every year. I think the case for Mantle was even stronger, in that the Yankees won the pennant nearly every season, which they would not have done without him. I wasn’t watching baseball before the Maris/Mantle HR chase of ‘61. In fact, I wasn’t even watching until a couple of years later, so I never got to see the “less popular” Mantle. Becoming the underdog to Maris, I understand launched his popularity as more people became aware of how he was playing hurt for all those seasons. His shyness was seen as surliness in his early years, and to be fair in his later years his surliness was often disguised as shyness. He seemed to have been a little of both. The point here being that I believe he lost a lot of his MVP votes because of his personality and the times he told the sportswriters to take a hike when they wanted a story (constantly, I’m sure)...Plus we were only some 25 years from the years when players were only allowed to win one MVP per career ( Dumb rule, Chalmer’s Automobile Company ). |
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 31, 2019 18:34:54 GMT -5
Seems a little early to make that call about a kid. |
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Post by inger on Jan 31, 2019 19:23:54 GMT -5
Seems a little early to make that call about a kid. Really. You’d think Law would know better...If those assumptions were always made nobody would get past prospect stage... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 20:30:08 GMT -5
I think Law was just saying that Florial has to start making contact with the baseball and this is the season to do it. No biggie.
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Post by greatfatness on Jan 31, 2019 21:06:43 GMT -5
I think Law was just saying that Florial has to start making contact with the baseball and this is the season to do it. No biggie. I was commenting on the Post headline more than Law’s observations. I don’t have any respect for Law’s “scouting” but in this case I don’t see an issue with what he said. |
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Post by desousa on Feb 1, 2019 9:07:56 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 1, 2019 10:30:18 GMT -5
Nelson and Stephan could be fast movers. Stephan needs to command the ball better, but showed some good signs last year. Both have + stuff that could play well in AAA later this year if he gets there...or even in the big league bull pen in September... |
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Post by domeplease on Feb 1, 2019 15:50:33 GMT -5
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Post by desousa on Feb 1, 2019 17:08:20 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Feb 1, 2019 20:04:20 GMT -5
I knew I wanted to mention someone else the post I made yesterday, but King’s name just wouldn’t pop into my head. Thanks desousa. I’ve also read good things about King... How’s the mountain snowpack in Vermont this year?... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 21:29:29 GMT -5
Remembering mono syllabic names are a bitch, right inger?😉
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