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Post by acuraman on Mar 18, 2022 11:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by acuraman on Mar 18, 2022 11:13:06 GMT -5
Lange was the #8 overall prospect and #2 pitching prospect in the Padres farm system. He was a first round pick that went 34th overall in the 2020 MLB Draft
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Post by acuraman on Mar 18, 2022 11:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by acuraman on Mar 18, 2022 11:15:04 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 18, 2022 11:30:45 GMT -5
Voit "should" have brought back more than one prospect so low in the minor leagues; however, the deal may illustrate the level of discontent Luke radiated following the re-acquisition of Anthony Rizzo. I thought perhaps the deal for Voit might include a couple Yankee farm hands for a starting major league pitcher. The Yankees must have decided - "just get rid of him." Either way, this is another Cashman failing. I wrote after the 2020 season that was the time to trade Luke Voit, as I believed his value would never be higher. Cashman has not demonstrated the ability to sell high, though he has purchased low well, which is - come on - much easier. Frazier, Sanchez, Andujar, Torres - these guys were untouchable just a couple years ago. |
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Post by kaybli on Mar 18, 2022 11:51:43 GMT -5
Farwell Luuuuuuuuke! Best of luck in SD. Don't get injured too often.
I was hoping to get more in return but that's what happens when you sell low. |
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2022 11:52:52 GMT -5
A once-exciting acquisition has now become a disappointing departure. Rendered useless by injury, his once smiling face had become more and more dour in the past couple of seasons. When we pulled him out of the dumpster, there a sort of “Aw shucks, I accidentally got another big hit to right field way about him.
His workouts are famously ferocious and likely to have contributed to his overall stiffness and lack of durability. He seemed to become fixated on pulling the ball and making sure it would clear the fences by at least 100-feet, vs. before when he would flick the ball to RF for hits and still find home runs.
He’ll be much better off if he can DH most of (if not all of) the time. I wish him luck and good health as well as being a part of another low point in San Diego history so we never have to see him in the WS…😎
PS: Disappointing return. In the end it was dumpster for dumpster…
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Post by inger on Mar 18, 2022 11:59:03 GMT -5
Lange’s stats from 2022 at the lowest MiLB level show 0-3; 6.95. In 22 innings he fanned 29, but walked 15. He also threw a Brooks Kriske-like 7 wild pitches… At best, he’s a project. The odds of ever seeing him in a Yankee uniform are minuscule. I know he’s young, but there was no sign of success last year except for the strikeout rate…
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 18, 2022 12:04:36 GMT -5
Lange’s stats from 2022 at the lowest MiLB level show 0-3; 6.95. In 22 innings he fanned 29, but walked 15. He also threw a Brooks Kriske-like 7 wild pitches… At best, he’s a project. The odds of ever seeing him in a Yankee uniform are minuscule. I know he’s young, but there was no sign of success last year except for the strikeout rate… Yep, a disappointing return for a guy that led the league in home runs in the strike-shortened 2020 season, but Voit is also always hurt, and he's 31 years old, not exactly youthful, even in my estimation (apart from DoMe). Also, some guys do not age well athletically, i.e., Luke Voit's body type vs. Freddy Freeman. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 18, 2022 12:19:26 GMT -5
Voit "should" have brought back more than one prospect so low in the minor leagues; however, the deal may illustrate the level of discontent Luke radiated following the re-acquisition of Anthony Rizzo. I thought perhaps the deal for Voit might include a couple Yankee farm hands for a starting major league pitcher. The Yankees must have decided - "just get rid of him." Either way, this is another Cashman failing. I wrote after the 2020 season that was the time to trade Luke Voit, as I believed his value would never be higher. Cashman has not demonstrated the ability to sell high, though he has purchased low well, which is - come on - much easier. Frazier, Sanchez, Andujar, Torres - these guys were untouchable just a couple years ago. What you said. Once again waiting too long to trade a player. At this point Andujar would be lucky to bring back the proverbial bag of baseballs. It seems like the Yankees believe their own hype about their prospects. It wouldn't be shocking if this time next year they are peddling Gleyber Torres for another Justin Lange type. |
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Post by acuraman on Mar 18, 2022 12:33:48 GMT -5
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Post by acuraman on Mar 18, 2022 12:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by acuraman on Mar 18, 2022 12:39:11 GMT -5
Lange’s stats from 2022 at the lowest MiLB level show 0-3; 6.95. In 22 innings he fanned 29, but walked 15. He also threw a Brooks Kriske-like 7 wild pitches… At best, he’s a project. The odds of ever seeing him in a Yankee uniform are minuscule. I know he’s young, but there was no sign of success last year except for the strikeout rate… Yep, a disappointing return for a guy that led the league in home runs in the strike-shortened 2020 season, but Voit is also always hurt, and he's 31 years old, not exactly youthful, even in my estimation (apart from DoMe). Also, some guys do not age well athletically, i.e., Luke Voit's body type vs. Freddy Freeman. Scouting report: From MLB Pipeline’s free report: Lange’s fastball sits in the mid-90s and can feature both run and sink. He has the makings of a second power pitch in a slider that could become a plus mid-80s weapon with bite. The pitch is inconsistent, however, and should be a focal point of Lange’s as he begins to face pro hitters. He will also incorporate a changeup, which he rarely threw against high-school opposition. A quick-twitch athlete, Lange added 25 pounds of muscle in the offseason prior to the Draft and had one of the best bodies in the 2020 high school pitching class. He has a huge ceiling but will need time to reach it, given his unrefined secondary pitches and shaky control and command. His slightly unorthodox low-arm-slot delivery also raises a few question marks. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 18, 2022 12:52:25 GMT -5
Yep, a disappointing return for a guy that led the league in home runs in the strike-shortened 2020 season, but Voit is also always hurt, and he's 31 years old, not exactly youthful, even in my estimation (apart from DoMe). Also, some guys do not age well athletically, i.e., Luke Voit's body type vs. Freddy Freeman. Scouting report: From MLB Pipeline’s free report: Lange’s fastball sits in the mid-90s and can feature both run and sink. He has the makings of a second power pitch in a slider that could become a plus mid-80s weapon with bite. The pitch is inconsistent, however, and should be a focal point of Lange’s as he begins to face pro hitters. He will also incorporate a changeup, which he rarely threw against high-school opposition. A quick-twitch athlete, Lange added 25 pounds of muscle in the offseason prior to the Draft and had one of the best bodies in the 2020 high school pitching class. He has a huge ceiling but will need time to reach it, given his unrefined secondary pitches and shaky control and command. His slightly unorthodox low-arm-slot delivery also raises a few question marks. I don't mind unorthodox arm slots. In fact, it is sometimes refreshing to see pitchers with recognizable deliveries. Too many cookie-cutter swings and pitching mechanics these days. Just ask Deivi Garcia about refining his mechanics, which were fine with the Yankees until he had success at the MLB level. Great information on Lange. As far as "best looking bodies" and gaining 25 pounds in an off-season, I applaud the hard work but that can have negative influences sometimes. Cespedes looked like Superman in a baseball uniform. Munson looked like a neighborhood butcher in Pinstripes. That little Red Sox gnome at second base Pedroia won an MVP; Robinson Cano needed steroids. Tony Gwynn was the best hitter I ever saw live, and he could hit .330 with the glaze of a dozen donuts on his hands. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 18, 2022 12:59:16 GMT -5
San Diego. If there is one place I wouldn't mind being traded, irrespective of the quality of the team, that is the place. Just a great city and vibe to live in, day in and day out. Weather is wonderful. Lots to do and see. Wonderful golf courses. Restaurants and hole in the wall places lunch spots. Everyone is active and outdoors. Mexico is only twenty minutes away. Oranges grow on trees...  |
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