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Post by inger on May 14, 2022 21:51:44 GMT -5
Russ, you may not quite get this, but Bleacher Reports is a less than desirable site, and this article was driven as much by opinion as fact.
To accuse a professional baseball player of lying was wrong-headed. If Johnson THOUGHT he could pitch successfully, he may not have been right, but he was getting paid if he sat out the season, or if he played. He thought he could pitch. His 17-11 record says he did pretty well. His 5.00 ERA would be ugly today, with offense down, but it wasn’t all that bad with a league ERA that was a touch over 4.50, see?
You almost fell victim to a scam by thinking Bleacher Report was reliable. You tend to be too trusting in printed sources. I think more than anything that’s what Rizz is saying, though he says things in a different way…
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Post by rizzuto on May 14, 2022 21:51:57 GMT -5
Damn. This one stings a bit. Chapman was a mess. Rizzo and Higgy saved him multiple times and it wasn’t enough… We can still make this 3 of 4… Two runs won't win you many games. Of course, that is about the usual output when Jordan Montgomery is on the bump. How demoralizing. |
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Post by noetsi on May 14, 2022 21:52:54 GMT -5
It is always strange when you are hitting great to face an awful pitcher and do nothing. Maybe its just coincidence, you remember this when it happens. Or maybe they throw junk which Yankee hitters struggle with more than elite pitchers throwing harder stuff.
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Post by inger on May 14, 2022 21:53:27 GMT -5
Damn. This one stings a bit. Chapman was a mess. Rizzo and Higgy saved him multiple times and it wasn’t enough… We can still make this 3 of 4… Two runs won't win you many games. Of course, that is about the usual output when Jordan Montgomery is on the bump. How demoralizing. And he was pulled after 4.1, despite working his can off to keep us in the game. Again, no chance to win… |
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Post by inger on May 14, 2022 21:55:07 GMT -5
It is always strange when you are hitting great to face an awful pitcher and do nothing. Maybe its just coincidence, you remember this when it happens. Or maybe they throw junk which Yankee hitters struggle with more than elite pitchers throwing harder stuff. Keuchel has the experience to shut anyone down if he has his command. He had it tonight. Another inning and he would have been knocked around, so nice managing job, too… |
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Post by noetsi on May 14, 2022 21:57:10 GMT -5
Russ, you may not quite get this, but Bleacher Reports is a less than desirable site, and this article was driven as much by opinion as fact. To accuse a professional baseball player of lying was wrong-headed. If Johnson THOUGHT he could pitch successfully, he may not have been right, but he was getting paid if he sat out the season, or if he played. He thought he could pitch. His 17-11 record says he did pretty well. His 5.00 ERA would be ugly today, with offense down, but it wasn’t all that bad with a league ERA that was a touch over 4.50, see? You almost fell victim to a scam by thinking Bleacher Report was reliable. You tend to be too trusting in printed sources. I think more than anything that’s what Rizz is saying, though he says things in a different way… The facts cited are either correct or they are not and the only think I cared about. If you say the facts cited are made up then I believe you. I watched an interview with Johnson at the time he was with the Yankees and that is what convinced me he was taking the Yankees for a ride not the facts cited tonight. Saying that he came across in it as less than committed to the Yankees would be a mild understatement. |
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Post by rizzuto on May 14, 2022 21:58:38 GMT -5
Russ, you may not quite get this, but Bleacher Reports is a less than desirable site, and this article was driven as much by opinion as fact. To accuse a professional baseball player of lying was wrong-headed. If Johnson THOUGHT he could pitch successfully, he may not have been right, but he was getting paid if he sat out the season, or if he played. He thought he could pitch. His 17-11 record says he did pretty well. His 5.00 ERA would be ugly today, with offense down, but it wasn’t all that bad with a league ERA that was a touch over 4.50, see? You almost fell victim to a scam by thinking Bleacher Report was reliable. You tend to be too trusting in printed sources. I think more than anything that’s what Rizz is saying, though he says things in a different way… It was actually refreshing that Russ cited something. To that, I must give kudos. I just suspect he did not read it carefully. "Greg" and his piece are very simpatico with my stance regarding Johnson's tenure. Most of the narrative to which Russ evidently subscribes was driven by the media, with whom Johnson was notoriously surly. Johnson was one of the smartest pitchers in baseball. He could "Kodak" any pitch during any of his starts and tell exactly what happened, why, and what his thinking was. I did not realize he was so cerebral until he pitched for the Yankees. I hated him when he was with Seattle and Arizona, but his cogent understanding of his craft won me over. That and pitching over 430 innings on a back that required surgery following his Yankee tenure. |
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Post by noetsi on May 14, 2022 22:00:49 GMT -5
It is always strange when you are hitting great to face an awful pitcher and do nothing. Maybe its just coincidence, you remember this when it happens. Or maybe they throw junk which Yankee hitters struggle with more than elite pitchers throwing harder stuff. Keuchel has the experience to shut anyone down if he has his command. He had it tonight. Another inning and he would have been knocked around, so nice managing job, too… Could be. I was thinking of games in the past when we faced pitchers with horrific ERA's not just tonight. I think a fascinating question is why teams score far less for some pitchers than others (I think of Pedro in his glory year when Boston consistently seemed to score few runs for him, a point also made by Boston posters on boards I posted at). I assume it has to be strange coincidence. I doubt they try less for one pitcher than another. |
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Post by chiyankee on May 14, 2022 22:05:41 GMT -5
You're a dedicated employee, Kay! lol, thanks Chi! Good luck on your race tomorrow! Let us know how it goes! Thanks Kay! I'm supposed to be sleeping now, but I can't! |
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Post by rizzuto on May 14, 2022 22:06:52 GMT -5
Russ, you may not quite get this, but Bleacher Reports is a less than desirable site, and this article was driven as much by opinion as fact. To accuse a professional baseball player of lying was wrong-headed. If Johnson THOUGHT he could pitch successfully, he may not have been right, but he was getting paid if he sat out the season, or if he played. He thought he could pitch. His 17-11 record says he did pretty well. His 5.00 ERA would be ugly today, with offense down, but it wasn’t all that bad with a league ERA that was a touch over 4.50, see? You almost fell victim to a scam by thinking Bleacher Report was reliable. You tend to be too trusting in printed sources. I think more than anything that’s what Rizz is saying, though he says things in a different way… The facts cited are either correct or they are not and the only think I cared about. If you say the facts cited are made up then I believe you. I watched an interview with Johnson at the time he was with the Yankees and that is what convinced me he was taking the Yankees for a ride not the facts cited tonight. Saying that he came across in it as less than committed to the Yankees would be a mild understatement. Even so, from the immortal Greg, who writes, " That said, Yankee fans don't give him enough credit for what he did do. At the time, the Yankees had one of the worst defenses in baseball. That can't help a veteran pitcher whose strikeout rate was steadily declining from over 10 to under seven. The additional balls in play with a weak defense behind him really hurt.Johnson's personality was not fit for New York, nor was his talent set. Johnson is one of the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball, but his time with the Yankees did not exemplify that. He was still quite a pitcher, who put up decent FIP numbers." I think your "evidence" agrees with me. QED |
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Post by noetsi on May 14, 2022 22:10:35 GMT -5
lol, thanks Chi! Good luck on your race tomorrow! Let us know how it goes! Thanks Kay! I'm supposed to be sleeping now, but I can't! I can send you some of my research. You will be comatose probably in thirty seconds.  |
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Post by chiyankee on May 14, 2022 22:16:57 GMT -5
Thanks Kay! I'm supposed to be sleeping now, but I can't! I can send you some of my research. You will be comatose probably in thirty seconds.  Actually, I can fall asleep, but I keep waking up during the night which sucks when you have to get up at 5:00 AM. |
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Post by kaybli on May 14, 2022 22:17:00 GMT -5
lol, thanks Chi! Good luck on your race tomorrow! Let us know how it goes! Thanks Kay! I'm supposed to be sleeping now, but I can't! lol, a struggle I know too well. If you want something that won't leave you too groggy in the morning you might want to try a small dose of melatonin (3 mg). |
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Post by noetsi on May 14, 2022 22:22:08 GMT -5
I can send you some of my research. You will be comatose probably in thirty seconds. Actually, I can fall asleep, but I keep waking up during the night which sucks when you have to get up at 5:00 AM. Yeah I have that issue too, although I rarely get up at 5 am on a Sunday. |
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Post by inger on May 14, 2022 22:33:28 GMT -5
I still go to bed between 11:30 and 1:00. I wait until I can barely crawl to bed so I know I’ll sleep. The dogs and I wake up about 5:45, when light starts to filter through the curtains. Sometimes I wake first, other times they do. Once we have our breakfast and the dogs have been outdoors they have a bit of outdoor/indoor play time and then I lie down on the couch and announce “nap time”. Within minutes the dogs settle down and nap on one sofa while I nap in the other, usually around 8:30, and an hour or up to two. Ruthie appears later, at various times…
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