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Post by rizzuto on Aug 3, 2022 7:20:47 GMT -5
Cashman explained - cryptically as always - that he believes the Monty move improves the Yankees for October; however, he may have just weakened an already sputtering rotation. He acknowledged the move is for down the road, where this club will likely be (in Houston) when it loses home field advantage and exhausts its bullpen from four inning starts. Monty has arguably been the most consistent Yankee starter the last calendar year. Not flashy, just steady. Adding Montas made sense to bolster the starting five. Subtracting Monty undid that support. Agreed. I don't know how the Monty move improves the Yankees for October like Cashman says. There's a decent chance just playing the law of pitcher injuries that one of our top 4 gets hurt and then we'll be up shits creek without a paddle for the playoffs. All for what? A gimpy Hader who's not a difference maker? Judge is fine in CF. You don't want Hader in there which means Carpenter will have to sit out as Stanton takes the DH spot. Great point about Carpenter. Bader would be the Locastro role, speed off the bench and Gallo role of defense late in games. Those moves presuppose either being in a position to win or preserving a lead, which usually involves solid starting pitching. |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 3, 2022 8:10:33 GMT -5
Lost in all this Monty business is the trade of Juan Soto to San Diego. Did the Nationals actually get anything in return for a likely future Hall of Famer that the Yankees could not have met or exceeded?
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 3, 2022 8:56:24 GMT -5
Lost in all this Monty business is the trade of Juan Soto to San Diego. Did the Nationals actually get anything in return for a likely future Hall of Famer that the Yankees could not have met or exceeded? No they did not. Yes, they did send five good prospects to the Nats, but also got back Josh Bell, who is having a very good season himself. The Yankees could have taken Bell and flipped him I would think. It is highly unlikely that any of those prospects will ever have a career as productive as Juan Soto. You could have said the same for any prospect package the Yankees would have had to send. Soto has an OBP 40 points higher than Aaron Judge, and even a higher OPS+ than Judge, 160-154. He led the majors in walks last year and probably will again this year. He's nearly seven years younger than Judge. Players like this do not become available every day. So what if he walks after you've had him for three pennant runs. Isn't the point of this game to win the World Series? Wouldn't adding Soto have greatly increased the Yankees' chances? This window of Judge/Stanton/Cole et al is nearer to closing than starting. All on the wrong side of 30. My take from this is that winning it all is a secondary consideration for Yankee management. I'm sure they'd be happy to win it all, and maybe they will, but they are not willing to do whatever it takes. They were never seriously interested in pursuing Soto. But the future of the Scranton RailRiders is bright. |
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Post by bearman on Aug 3, 2022 9:21:47 GMT -5
I really liked the Benintendi and Gallo deals. I think, and hope, Benintendi will improve our hitting as we move into the playoffs. To me this trade deadline was all about getting the Yankees in the position to beat the Astros, Dodger, Braves or whomever in the playoffs. It seems to me we gave up a whole lot of near ready starting pitching and got some talent back but I just don't believe we are that much better(except Benintendi) than we were last week, especially with the loss of Montgomery. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by domeplease on Aug 3, 2022 13:35:21 GMT -5
...New York: Though the Yankees’ rotation had been a big reason for their first-half dominance, the team still added Frankie Montas (one of the biggest trade candidates of the last few months) to reinforce the pitching staff. Bringing in Montas and reliever Lou Trivino cost New York four noteworthy prospects, yet the Yankees were able to hang onto everyone in their true top tier.
Beyond Trivino, the Yankees further bolstered the relief corps by landing Scott Effross from the Cubs. Acquiring Montas also gave New York the rotation depth for a fascinating one-for-one trade, as Jordan Montgomery was sent to the Cardinals for Gold Glove-winning center fielder Harrison Bader.
Assuming Bader returns from his current bout of plantar fasciitis in his normal form, he’ll form quite a defensive tandem with another reigning Gold Glover in Andrew Benintendi, acquired from the Royals earlier in the week. The struggling Joey Gallo was subtracted from the outfield mix, as New York sent Gallo (a big get at last year’s trade deadline) to the Dodgers for pitching prospect Clayton Beeter. Gallo is an example of how sometimes the best deadline moves on paper don’t work out, but the Yankees look to have fortified themselves well for a return to the World Series.
Biggest Losers From the MLB Trade Deadline.
A look at buyers and sellers from busy MLB trade deadline.
... New York Yankees (70-35, first place in AL East)
Acquired: RHP Frankie Montas, RHP Lou Trivino, OF Andrew Benintendi, OF Harrison Bader, RHP Scott Effross, RHP Clayton Beeter.
Traded: OF Joey Gallo, LHP Jordan Montgomery, LHP Ken Waldichuk, LHP JP Sears, RHP Luis Medina, 2B Cooper Bowman, RHP Chandler Champlain, LHP T.J. Sikkema, RHP Beck Way, RHP Hayden Wesneski.
Analysis: Considering what Seattle gave up for Castillo, the Yankees probably feel pretty good about landing Montas, who had a 3.18 ERA in 19 starts this year for Oakland. Benintendi and Bader give New York more outfield options, although the latter has been dealing with foot problems.
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Post by acuraman on Aug 3, 2022 18:57:21 GMT -5
Elsewhere in Yankee rotation news, Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald relay that the Yankees and Dodgers both pushed the Marlins for a Pablo Lopez trade, with the Yankees getting “closest” to a deal. Though the full trade scenarios that were discussed aren’t know, the report says that Gleyber Torres was mentioned. It’s unclear if it was the Yankees or the Marlins that wanted to include Torres in trade talks, but it’s understandable why the Marlins would want him. Torres is hitting .257/.312/.466 on the year for a wRC+ of 120. He’s also making just $6.25MM this year and can be retained for a further two seasons via arbitration. However, the Marlins already have a star second baseman in Jazz Chisholm Jr., who is out for the remainder of this season but would be back next year. Torres was a shortstop when he came up but was moved to second by the Yanks after he failed to impress there. Even if the Marlins were willing to give him another try there, that would also be a bit of an awkward fit with Miguel Rojas still around for one more season. Regardless of the various packages that were discussed, it is notable that the Yanks tried to get yet another starter. As mentioned earlier, they swapped in Montas to take the place of Severino, but then later flipped Jordan Montgomery to the Cardinals. That leaves them with a four-man rotation of Montas, Gerrit Cole, Nestor Cortes and Jameson Taillon. Domingo German has recently been called up from the minors and has made three starts but has a 6.39 so far. Acquiring Lopez and bumping German back to the minors surely would have been a boon for the rotation, as Lopez has a 3.41 ERA through 21 starts on the year and fairly similar results in the previous two campaigns as well. A trade for Lopez was always going to be a challenge given that he can be controlled for two more seasons beyond this one, but perhaps the two clubs can revisit talks in the offseason and build off the conversations they’ve already had. Taillon is set to reach free agency after this season, potentially causing the Yankees to look for an extra hurler. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/yankees-notes-severino-lopez-torres.html |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Aug 3, 2022 19:33:22 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyd46 on Aug 3, 2022 19:37:34 GMT -5
Elsewhere in Yankee rotation news, Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald relay that the Yankees and Dodgers both pushed the Marlins for a Pablo Lopez trade, with the Yankees getting “closest” to a deal. Though the full trade scenarios that were discussed aren’t know, the report says that Gleyber Torres was mentioned. It’s unclear if it was the Yankees or the Marlins that wanted to include Torres in trade talks, but it’s understandable why the Marlins would want him. Torres is hitting .257/.312/.466 on the year for a wRC+ of 120. He’s also making just $6.25MM this year and can be retained for a further two seasons via arbitration. However, the Marlins already have a star second baseman in Jazz Chisholm Jr., who is out for the remainder of this season but would be back next year. Torres was a shortstop when he came up but was moved to second by the Yanks after he failed to impress there. Even if the Marlins were willing to give him another try there, that would also be a bit of an awkward fit with Miguel Rojas still around for one more season. Regardless of the various packages that were discussed, it is notable that the Yanks tried to get yet another starter. As mentioned earlier, they swapped in Montas to take the place of Severino, but then later flipped Jordan Montgomery to the Cardinals. That leaves them with a four-man rotation of Montas, Gerrit Cole, Nestor Cortes and Jameson Taillon. Domingo German has recently been called up from the minors and has made three starts but has a 6.39 so far. Acquiring Lopez and bumping German back to the minors surely would have been a boon for the rotation, as Lopez has a 3.41 ERA through 21 starts on the year and fairly similar results in the previous two campaigns as well. A trade for Lopez was always going to be a challenge given that he can be controlled for two more seasons beyond this one, but perhaps the two clubs can revisit talks in the offseason and build off the conversations they’ve already had. Taillon is set to reach free agency after this season, potentially causing the Yankees to look for an extra hurler. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/yankees-notes-severino-lopez-torres.htmlMontas did look pretty good against the Astros last week but the Yankees have lost a lot of 2-1 and late inning games against the Astros in the last couple years so I dunno if improved pitching is the key to beating them they need to score off of the Astros pitching. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 4, 2022 7:51:03 GMT -5
Mike Vacarro with a sober point about the Cashman trade:
"And Jordan Montgomery is a Cardinal.
Of the flurry of trade-deadline maneuvers Brian Cashman pulled off, that was a genuine head-scratcher. Harrison Bader, acquired for Montgomery, is a Bronxville kid with a dynamic glove, but he’s hurt right now and has a career OPS+ of 99. Plus, the Yankees, when healthy, have more than enough outfielders.
Maybe the Yankees had already determined that Montgomery wasn’t going to be part of their postseason rotation, but he is a durable innings-eater at a time when that would be an especially useful asset. Cashman did bring in Frankie Montas, with the expectation that his 4-9 recoord is a product of pitching for a dreadful Athletics team. He also has to hope that Montas’ jarring home-road splits — he pitched to a 2.36 ERA in Oakland’s spacious RingCentral Coliseum, and 5.01 everywhere else — are a mere statistical anomaly.
(You know who had similar splits when he was imported from Oakland to New York in 2017? Sonny Gray. Hey, I’m just the messenger.)"
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Post by bearman on Aug 4, 2022 11:00:33 GMT -5
I'd like opinions from those on here that are more knowledgeable than me. Thank God we dumped one of our black holes in Gallo but there is still Hicks playing almost every day and killing rallies. Is there a reason that we could have not foisted Hicks off on somebody? Since 2018 he has done nothing. I know he is grossly overpaid but so was Gallo. Do the Yankees have so little faith in Florial and Andujar that they couldn't play the outfield, or DH? I realize they may not be quite is good as Hicks in the outfield but they have nothing else to prove in AAA. Somebody help me understand this please.
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Post by kaybli on Aug 4, 2022 11:09:54 GMT -5
I'd like opinions from those on here that are more knowledgeable than me. Thank God we dumped one of our black holes in Gallo but there is still Hicks playing almost every day and killing rallies. Is there a reason that we could have not foisted Hicks off on somebody? Since 2018 he has done nothing. I know he is grossly overpaid but so was Gallo. Do the Yankees have so little faith in Florial and Andujar that they couldn't play the outfield, or DH? I realize they may not be quite is good as Hicks in the outfield but they have nothing else to prove in AAA. Somebody help me understand this please. Cashman can't admit his mistakes and Hicks has small hot streaks that keep him around. Plus he walks. And they keep reminiscing about that one good season he had. I think its time to view him as a sunk cost and get rid of him. Maybe they will and install Bader as the CF next year. |
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Post by inger on Aug 4, 2022 11:24:45 GMT -5
I'd like opinions from those on here that are more knowledgeable than me. Thank God we dumped one of our black holes in Gallo but there is still Hicks playing almost every day and killing rallies. Is there a reason that we could have not foisted Hicks off on somebody? Since 2018 he has done nothing. I know he is grossly overpaid but so was Gallo. Do the Yankees have so little faith in Florial and Andujar that they couldn't play the outfield, or DH? I realize they may not be quite is good as Hicks in the outfield but they have nothing else to prove in AAA. Somebody help me understand this please. Hicks best days as a defender have now passed, so that, combined with an inconsistent and often anemic bat should get him pushed aside for better options. It may take a bit more time, but we’re getting there. In fact, we were in a much better position playing Judge in CF. With the pussification of America how surprising is it that the Yankees decided they had to protect his legs and won’t let him play there? How silly! He’s not ebmven signed for next year. Worry about his legs next year. Win the World Series THIS year, dopes! I do think Hicks is still an average CF, by the way. But that’s all. And his bat doesn’t justify him being the Yankees starting CF. He’s a fourth outfielder now, just as Gardy should have been when he continued his career last season… |
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Post by desousa on Aug 4, 2022 12:28:20 GMT -5
I'm liking the Bader trade more today. Just found out he was a Florida Gator.
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 4, 2022 12:45:24 GMT -5
I'm liking the Bader trade more today. Just found out he was a Florida Gator. Well then that makes everything just ducky.😉 |
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 4, 2022 12:46:35 GMT -5
I'd like opinions from those on here that are more knowledgeable than me. Thank God we dumped one of our black holes in Gallo but there is still Hicks playing almost every day and killing rallies. Is there a reason that we could have not foisted Hicks off on somebody? Since 2018 he has done nothing. I know he is grossly overpaid but so was Gallo. Do the Yankees have so little faith in Florial and Andujar that they couldn't play the outfield, or DH? I realize they may not be quite is good as Hicks in the outfield but they have nothing else to prove in AAA. Somebody help me understand this please. Someone more informed and smarter than me will have to answer your questions, because I cannot figure out the Yankees' braintrust. Gallo to me was the wrong type of hitter for the Yankees to land last season, another all-or-nothing type, when the team needed more base hits and fewer strikeouts; however, Gallo was left-handed and was a gold glove outfielder who could play all three positions. Of course, this was at a time when Hicks was - again - injured, and Cashman had inexplicably created a roster of right-handed power hitters in a ball park made for left-handed prowess. Besides Judge, no one the Yankees had in the clubhouse was an above average outfield defender (alas, even Gardy had lost steps), combine that with a third baseman playing shortstop (Urshela), a second baseman playing third (Odor), a second baseman playing first (LeMahieu), and a catcher who could not catch or hit (Sandwich), and a third baseman playing left field (Andujar) - it was the Cashman masterpiece. Outfield defense had been problematic for a while, as the Yankees attempted to find solutions in Mike Tauchman, Tim Locastro, Jonathan Davis, and Ender Inciarte. The problem, as I saw it, was that when the Yankees called upon Greg Allen and Esteban Florial last season, they performed and brought some life and fresh legs to the team. Instead of playing out two temporarily hot trump cards, Cashman folded, sending both back to AAA in favor of Jonathan Davis. By the way, Allen was a switch hitter and Florial a lefty. Davis, of course, was another right-handed batter. Also, the Swiss Army knife defender Tyler Wade had finally began hitting and was actually hot, when the Yankees benched him. He ended the season with a .354 OBP, lagging behind only Florial at .440, Greg Allen at .417, and Aaron Judge at .373. Wade, by the way, is left-handed. At the trade deadline this season, once Gallo was scheduled to arrive in Los Angeles, the Yankees were left with only one "true" centerfielder at the big league level in Aaron Hicks, who nevertheless had been moved to left field at times because Judge manned the position better defensively. To me, Hicks had always been a fourth outfielder, especially when he had a cannon for an arm, before his injury last season. His problem is one of the longest swings in MLB (and a lack of instincts for the game). Florial was brought up this season for approximately eleven at bats during a numbers crunch, then sent back down, where he has been raking all season. Florial is in Pinstriped purgatory: Cashman obviously does not believe in him, yet he likes him at AAA for depth because he has the arm to play right and the speed to play both centerfield and left at Yankee Stadium. And, he's left-handed and can steal a base. But, Locastro gets more opportunities because he can steal a base and has the speed to play all three outfield positions, even though he takes poor routes and doesn't have the arm Florial has. And, Locastro is right-handed, which for some reason Cashman continues to ignore with half of all games played at the friendliest left-handed hitting park in MLB. Harrison Bader, if he is ever healthy enough, will likely take the place of Hicks in centerfield, which then nullifies Hicks' ability to switch hit. Bader, of course, is right-handed. One glimmer of hope: Bader hits decidedly better on the road (.820 OPS) than he has at home (.634) for the St. Louis Cardinals, who drafted him in the third round from the University of Florida. In summation: I have no effrossing clue. |
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