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Post by rizzuto on Oct 11, 2022 17:29:40 GMT -5
No Peraza on the ALDS roster. It doesn't matter how you play for the Yankees - Peraza deserves a spot on the playoff roster - it's about how Boone and Cashman feel about you. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 11, 2022 18:19:15 GMT -5
Seattle chokes away a two run lead with two out in the ninth. Sheesh.
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Post by inger on Oct 11, 2022 19:37:49 GMT -5
Seattle chokes away a two run lead with two out in the ninth. Sheesh. That stinks. I though they were going to salt game one away… |
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Post by BillyBones on Oct 13, 2022 1:40:11 GMT -5
Cash's deadline trades keep getting better. Any other GM would be fired. *sigh* I simply cannot believe how the Steins have stuck with Cashman. It was a different era, but George Weiss had a plan, and he could cobble together a roster that out-performed their on-paper projections. There also needs to be acknowledgement that Casey could manipulate that roster to get the most out of those players. How does our GM and Manager look today? Yeah, I know. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 13, 2022 5:41:11 GMT -5
Cash's deadline trades keep getting better. Any other GM would be fired. *sigh* I simply cannot believe how the Steins have stuck with Cashman. It was a different era, but George Weiss had a plan, and he could cobble together a roster that out-performed their on-paper projections. There also needs to be acknowledgement that Casey could manipulate that roster to get the most out of those players. How does our GM and Manager look today? Yeah, I know. George Weiss was probably the most brilliant baseball executive of all time, succeeding the great Ed Barrow and essentially between them giving the Yankees 40 years of unequaled success. Barrow appointed Weiss as Farm Director in 1932 and other than a brief tenure of Larry MacPhail Weiss became GM after Barrow and had a nearly unbroken string of pennants. After the Yankees fired him and Casey following the 1960 season, mostly for being old, the Yanks lived off the momentum Weiss had created for a few years before cratering. It took the free-spending of The Boss, plus some solid front office work from first Gabe Paul and later Gene Michael to set things right again. Thanks for bringing up George Weiss, Billybones. He is one of the handful of most important Yankees in their history. |
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Post by desousa on Oct 13, 2022 6:19:25 GMT -5
*sigh* I simply cannot believe how the Steins have stuck with Cashman. It was a different era, but George Weiss had a plan, and he could cobble together a roster that out-performed their on-paper projections. There also needs to be acknowledgement that Casey could manipulate that roster to get the most out of those players. How does our GM and Manager look today? Yeah, I know. George Weiss was probably the most brilliant baseball executive of all time, succeeding the great Ed Barrow and essentially between them giving the Yankees 40 years of unequaled success. Barrow appointed Weiss as Farm Director in 1932 and other than a brief tenure of Larry MacPhail Weiss became GM after Barrow and had a nearly unbroken string of pennants. After the Yankees fired him and Casey following the 1960 season, mostly for being old, the Yanks lived off the momentum Weiss had created for a few years before cratering. It took the free-spending of The Boss, plus some solid front office work from first Gabe Paul and later Gene Michael to set things right again. Thanks for bringing up George Weiss, Bearman. He is one of the handful of most important Yankees in their history. Yanks could use George Weiss and Casey right now. Casey is one of the most famous managers of all time, but Weiss deserves so much of the credit and most baseball fans have never heard of him. Thanks Billy Bones. for the reminder. |
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Post by inger on Oct 13, 2022 8:26:18 GMT -5
We should probably thank Billy Bones for the Weiss post, since it was he that wrote it, not bearman.
Casey’s brilliance was in his early recognition of the general advantage of platooning by handedness… Since the stats were not available then, he probably observed a lot by watching… (I know. That was Yogi). I think Yogi and Casey may have shared the same brain…
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 13, 2022 8:47:51 GMT -5
We should probably thank Billy Bones for the Weiss post, since it was he that wrote it, not bearman. Casey’s brilliance was in his early recognition of the general advantage of platooning by handedness… Since the stats were not available then, he probably observed a lot by watching… (I know. That was Yogi). I think Yogi and Casey may have shared the same brain… Yikes, a thousand pardons Billybones. Thanks for the correction Inger. I edited my post, although too late to save the day. Bearman is the only person I know who saw the old R&B artist Major Lance in live performance. So let me thank him for that while I'm at it. Okay, I'm tired of thanking people now. Already past my daily quota. |
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Post by desousa on Oct 13, 2022 10:02:36 GMT -5
We should probably thank Billy Bones for the Weiss post, since it was he that wrote it, not bearman. Casey’s brilliance was in his early recognition of the general advantage of platooning by handedness… Since the stats were not available then, he probably observed a lot by watching… (I know. That was Yogi). I think Yogi and Casey may have shared the same brain… Thanks for pointing out my faux pas. I changed it. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 13, 2022 10:17:08 GMT -5
Time to Lock In, New York by Nestor Cortes
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Post by inger on Oct 13, 2022 11:06:51 GMT -5
We should probably thank Billy Bones for the Weiss post, since it was he that wrote it, not bearman. Casey’s brilliance was in his early recognition of the general advantage of platooning by handedness… Since the stats were not available then, he probably observed a lot by watching… (I know. That was Yogi). I think Yogi and Casey may have shared the same brain… Yikes, a thousand pardons Billybones. Thanks for the correction Inger. I edited my post, although too late to save the day. Bearman is the only person I know who saw the old R&B artist Major Lance in live performance. So let me thank him for that while I'm at it. Okay, I'm tired of thanking people now. Already past my daily quota. Thank you. Thank you very much. And while I’m at it, let me thank everyone else all at once so we can dispense with that nonsense for the rest of the day. As a matter of fact, I’ve been thinking about pre-thanking everyone for eternity. Not that o don’t want to be polite, but I like economy of time. They say time is money. Perhaps I could get wealthy that way? … 🤓 |
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Post by inger on Oct 13, 2022 11:08:40 GMT -5
Time to Lock In, New York by Nestor Cortes
I always did believe in the Loch Nestor Monster… |
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Post by BillyBones on Oct 13, 2022 14:20:14 GMT -5
I'm appreciative of the good fans here who have an understanding of the history, and building of that history, related to the Yankees. I remember well in the post-WWII years buying the early copies of the magazines that previewed and predicted the 16 team baseball races. The Yankees were often picked 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th, and would end up winning the pennant and World Series. Weiss would pick up someone like Gene Woodling, and even Cliff Mapes, and Casey would get more out of them than expected. It seems now that the Yankee roster performs below the sum of its' parts, and Boonie's net effect is to lose some games that were winnable.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 13, 2022 14:55:41 GMT -5
I'm appreciative of the good fans here who have an understanding of the history, and building of that history, related to the Yankees. I remember well in the post-WWII years buying the early copies of the magazines that previewed and predicted the 16 team baseball races. The Yankees were often picked 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th, and would end up winning the pennant and World Series. Weiss would pick up someone like Gene Woodling, and even Cliff Mapes, and Casey would get more out of them than expected. It seems now that the Yankee roster performs below the sum of its' parts, and Boonie's net effect is to lose some games that were winnable. Billy, it seemed like in those days the Yankees would trade for veteran players who actually played better when they got to New York. In recent years it seems mostly to go in the opposite direction. Weiss's first big trade was obtaining junkballer Eddie Lopat from the White Sox, and he became a key part of the pitching staff for years. He purchased Johnny Mize, who the Giants considered to be washed-up, and Mize gave invaluable part-time service for the Yanks for five years. Likewise he got the aforementioned Gene Woodling off the scrap heap, and he was a marvelous performer for six seasons. Enos Slaughter was another supposedly washed up player who came over in his late 30s and showed that there was still life in there. He traded for important players like Bobby Shantz and Bob Turley and Don Larsen and Ryne Duren and Clete Boyer and Hector Lopez. And he was fired less than a year after making the trade that brought Roger Maris to the Yankees. And that doesn't even include his time as farm director, when he signed and developed Joe DiMaggio, Joe Gordon, Phil Rizzuto, Yogi Berra, Charlie Keller, Tommy Henrich, Vic Raschi and many others. He also had the insight to fire Bucky Harris as Yankee manager and replace him with Casey Stengel in a move that was widely ridiculed at the time. Weiss was almost pathologically shy, which came across as being cold and impersonal. He was not an easy man to negotiate with. But he had the jeweler's eye for talent. |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 13, 2022 15:47:58 GMT -5
I'm appreciative of the good fans here who have an understanding of the history, and building of that history, related to the Yankees. I remember well in the post-WWII years buying the early copies of the magazines that previewed and predicted the 16 team baseball races. The Yankees were often picked 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th, and would end up winning the pennant and World Series. Weiss would pick up someone like Gene Woodling, and even Cliff Mapes, and Casey would get more out of them than expected. It seems now that the Yankee roster performs below the sum of its' parts, and Boonie's net effect is to lose some games that were winnable. Billy, it seemed like in those days the Yankees would trade for veteran players who actually played better when they got to New York. In recent years it seems mostly to go in the opposite direction. Weiss's first big trade was obtaining junkballer Eddie Lopat from the White Sox, and he became a key part of the pitching staff for years. He purchased Johnny Mize, who the Giants considered to be washed-up, and Mize gave invaluable part-time service for the Yanks for five years. Likewise he got the aforementioned Gene Woodling off the scrap heap, and he was a marvelous performer for six seasons. Enos Slaughter was another supposedly washed up player who came over in his late 30s and showed that there was still life in there. He traded for important players like Bobby Shantz and Bob Turley and Don Larsen and Ryne Duren and Clete Boyer and Hector Lopez. And he was fired less than a year after making the trade that brought Roger Maris to the Yankees. And that doesn't even include his time as farm director, when he signed and developed Joe DiMaggio, Joe Gordon, Phil Rizzuto, Yogi Berra, Charlie Keller, Tommy Henrich, Vic Raschi and many others. He also had the insight to fire Bucky Harris as Yankee manager and replace him with Casey Stengel in a move that was widely ridiculed at the time. Weiss was almost pathologically shy, which came across as being cold and impersonal. He was not an easy man to negotiate with. But he had the jeweler's eye for talent. Bobby Shantz and Eddie Lopat were two favorites of Jim "Kitty" Kaat. When I think about Yankees of the 1970s, mostly wise trades of Gabe Paul built those teams: Munson was the anchor as the fourth pick of the first round of the 1968 amateur draft; Ed Figueroa and Mickey Rivers from the California Angels for Bobby Bonds; Graig Nettles and Jerry Moses for John Ellis, Jerry Kenney, Charlie Spikes and Rusty Torres from the Cleveland Indians; Ron Guidry a third round pick from my family's alma mater of what was the University of Southwestern Louisiana (USL); Willie Randolph, Ken Brett, and Doc Ellis from Pittsburgh Pirates for Doc Medich; Bucky Dent from the Chicago White Sox for Oscar Gamble and LaMarr Hoyt; Sparky Lyle from the Boston Red Sox for Danny Cater; Chris Chambliss and Dick Tidrow from Cleveland for Fritz Peterson, Steve Kline, Tom Buskey, and Fred Beene; Lou Pinella and Ken Wright from Kansas City Royals for Lindy McDaniel; Cliff Johnson from the Houston Astros for Mike Fischlin and Randy Niemann; the ageless Roy White retained for his entire career after being signed out of high school from Compton, California in 1961; then, of course, the big free agent acquisitions of Catfish Hunter, Don Gullett, and Reggie Jackson. Lot's of moxie, fire, fundamentals, and confident characters on that team. |
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