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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 6, 2024 16:52:15 GMT -5
I don't even remember Pops as an OF. By the time I was old enough to watch baseball, he was a first baseman. Stargell didn't become the everyday 1B until 1975, 12 years after being any everyday player. Willie is one of my all-time favorite players. I've always been a Yankee fan first, but I was a Pirates fan second. Wille, Parker, Oliver, Sanguillen, Zisk, and Bill Robinson was a pretty formidable lineup. Rotation of The Candy Man, Jerry Reuss, Bruce Kison, and former Yankee Doc Medich, with underhand pitcher Kent Tekulve in the pen. Yep. For the first six full seasons of Stargell's career, Donn Clendennon, a pretty fair slugger himself, was the principal first baseman. Then one year of Al Oliver (!) at first, and for most of the next five seasons it was mainly Bob Robertson before Pops finally settled in at first. The Pirates also had Dock Ellis and Jim Rooker pitching in those years. And palm-balling Dave Giusti in the pen. |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 6, 2024 19:37:59 GMT -5
Speaking of Willie Stargell, here's some odds and ends I saw about him on Twitter.
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Post by inger on Mar 6, 2024 19:42:17 GMT -5
There have been 63 times in MLB history when a player has hit 2 HR in a single inning…
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Post by inger on Mar 6, 2024 22:29:36 GMT -5
Joaquin Andujar is a bit… odd. Here are some quotes from him :
"How can I play baseball if I'm stupid? If I was stupid I wouldn't have pitched in the World Series. I'd be playing ball in Mexico or Yugoslavia or on Pluto." Source: Baseball Quotations Dictionary (David H. Nathan, 2000)
"I always have trouble seeing the ball in the day time here (Wrigley Field)." Source: AP Wire (1983)
"I throw the ball ninety-two miles an hour, but they hit it back just as hard." Source: Widely Attributed
"It wasn't my arm (that was injured). It was my forearm." Source: AP Wire (1988)
"I win or I die." Source: AP Wire (Comment made before Game 7 of the 1982 World Series)
"My favorite word in English is 'youneverknow.'" Source: Widely Attributed
"That's why I don't talk. Because I talk to much." Source: Baseball Quotations Dictionary (David H. Nathan, 2000)
"There are three-hundred thousand sportswriters and they're all against me. Every one of them." Source: Boston Herald (July 3, 1988)
"There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'" Source: Sports Illustrated (June 22, 1987)
"You can't worry if it's cold; you can't worry if it's hot; you only worry if you get sick. Because then if you don't get well, you die." Source: Baseball's Greatest Quotations (Paul Dickson, 1992)…
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Post by inger on Mar 6, 2024 22:30:41 GMT -5
And a couple stories about him:
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"In recent years the Dominican Republic has become a producer of shortstops-and eccentric righthanded pitchers. Hurler Joaquin Andujar billed himself as 'one tough Dominican.' As a St. Louis Cardinal, he won 20 games in back-to-back seasons following some lean years. After one win to end a drought, Andujar declared, 'God is back in the National League. In fact, he's staying at my house. I'm having a barbecue for him.' Andujar also fancied himself a dangerous hitter, despite his lifetime .127 batting average. He switch-hit, but sometimes he hit right against righthanded pitchers and left against lefties. Teammates speculated that Andujar grabbed a batting helmet and decided which way to hit depending upon what side the ear flap was on. Asked how he'd pitch to himself following one of his rare offensive outbursts, Andujar answered, 'Fastball right down the middle. What do you think, I'd try to get myself out?'" - Eliot Cohen on (the now defunct) TotalBaseball.com
"It was no problem (getting along with Joaquin Andujar). I didn't talk to him on days he was mad, and he was mad all year long." - St. Louis Cardinals Manager Whitey Herzog (1989) in Baseball Quotations Dictionary (David H. Nathan, 2000)
Ah, Joaquin… youneverknow…
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Post by inger on Mar 7, 2024 10:03:27 GMT -5
Juan Marichal won 202 games between 1962-1971. The last pitcher to win over 200 games in a ten year stretch…
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 7, 2024 10:08:47 GMT -5
Juan Marichal won 202 games between 1962-1971. The last pitcher to win over 200 games in a ten year stretch… He was also dangerous with a bat...   |
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Post by inger on Mar 7, 2024 10:11:48 GMT -5
Pitchers with 200 career wins without a 20- win season:
The club is now up to 11 members, with Jon Lester joining the 200 win club in 2021.
245 - Dennis Martinez (career high was just 16 wins)
240 - Frank Tanana (19)
224 - Zack Greinke (19)
220 - Jerry Reuss (19)
219 - Kenny Rogers (18)
216 - Charlie Hough (18)
214 - Mark Buehrle (19)
209 - Milt Pappas (17)
200 - Tim Wakefield (17)
200 - Chuck Finley (18)
200 - Jon Lester (19)
There won’t be any additions to this list any time soon, as the winningest active pitcher who doesn’t have a 20-win season is Lance Lynn of the White Sox with just 127...
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Mar 7, 2024 11:06:33 GMT -5
Pitchers with 200 career wins without a 20- win season: The club is now up to 11 members, with Jon Lester joining the 200 win club in 2021. 245 - Dennis Martinez (career high was just 16 wins) 240 - Frank Tanana (19) 224 - Zack Greinke (19) 220 - Jerry Reuss (19) 219 - Kenny Rogers (18) 216 - Charlie Hough (18) 214 - Mark Buehrle (19) 209 - Milt Pappas (17) 200 - Tim Wakefield (17) 200 - Chuck Finley (18) 200 - Jon Lester (19) There won’t be any additions to this list any time soon, as the winningest active pitcher who doesn’t have a 20-win season is Lance Lynn of the White Sox with just 127... IIRC, Mike Mussina only had 1 20 win season and it was his last. |
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Post by inger on Mar 7, 2024 12:35:22 GMT -5
Pitchers with 200 career wins without a 20- win season: The club is now up to 11 members, with Jon Lester joining the 200 win club in 2021. 245 - Dennis Martinez (career high was just 16 wins) 240 - Frank Tanana (19) 224 - Zack Greinke (19) 220 - Jerry Reuss (19) 219 - Kenny Rogers (18) 216 - Charlie Hough (18) 214 - Mark Buehrle (19) 209 - Milt Pappas (17) 200 - Tim Wakefield (17) 200 - Chuck Finley (18) 200 - Jon Lester (19) There won’t be any additions to this list any time soon, as the winningest active pitcher who doesn’t have a 20-win season is Lance Lynn of the White Sox with just 127... IIRC, Mike Mussina only had 1 20 win season and it was his last. Without that season he would have been at the top of the list! … |
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Post by inger on Mar 7, 2024 12:40:53 GMT -5
Juan Marichal won 202 games between 1962-1971. The last pitcher to win over 200 games in a ten year stretch… He was also dangerous with a bat... A very well-known and unfortunate incident that tends to define Marichal who is said to be a much different man than what this makes him out to be. He was quoted saying that he thought Roseboro, who had removed his mask was going to hit him with it. The best of the subplot though was that Roseboro publicly and privately forgave him and they became lifelong friends… |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 7, 2024 12:46:19 GMT -5
Pitchers with 200 career wins without a 20- win season: The club is now up to 11 members, with Jon Lester joining the 200 win club in 2021. 245 - Dennis Martinez (career high was just 16 wins) 240 - Frank Tanana (19) 224 - Zack Greinke (19) 220 - Jerry Reuss (19) 219 - Kenny Rogers (18) 216 - Charlie Hough (18) 214 - Mark Buehrle (19) 209 - Milt Pappas (17) 200 - Tim Wakefield (17) 200 - Chuck Finley (18) 200 - Jon Lester (19) There won’t be any additions to this list any time soon, as the winningest active pitcher who doesn’t have a 20-win season is Lance Lynn of the White Sox with just 127... IIRC, Mike Mussina only had 1 20 win season and it was his last. Mussina won 19 twice (once on a below .500 O's team), he won 18 thrice (that's right ... thrice) and 17 twice. He was a great pitcher! He also won 7 gold gloves. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Mar 7, 2024 12:59:56 GMT -5
IIRC, Mike Mussina only had 1 20 win season and it was his last. Mussina won 19 twice (once on a below .500 O's team), he won 18 thrice (that's right ... thrice) and 17 twice. He was a great pitcher! He also won 7 gold gloves. I don't recall how old he was when he retired, but I half expected him to hold on and try for 300 career wins. He would have needed two pretty good seasons to do it (he finished with 270 Ws), but I also got the impression that individual stats weren't that important to him. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 7, 2024 13:56:27 GMT -5
Mussina won 19 twice (once on a below .500 O's team), he won 18 thrice (that's right ... thrice) and 17 twice. He was a great pitcher! He also won 7 gold gloves. I don't recall how old he was when he retired, but I half expected him to hold on and try for 300 career wins. He would have needed two pretty good seasons to do it (he finished with 270 Ws), but I also got the impression that individual stats weren't that important to him. He also joined Sandy Koufax as the only pitcher to win 20 games in his last season. Mussina had 17 consecutive seasons with double-digit wins. I didn't do an exhaustive search, but the only pitchers I found who did more were Greg Maddux (20), Cy Young (19), and Steve Carlton (18). Warren Spahn also had 17 in a row. Not even Walter Johnson, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Christy Mathewson, Lefty Grove, Tom Seaver, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson or Justin Verlander did that. Perhaps surprisingly, Mark Buehrle had 15 double-digit seasons in a row. |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 7, 2024 14:02:32 GMT -5
He was also dangerous with a bat... A very well-known and unfortunate incident that tends to define Marichal who is said to be a much different man than what this makes him out to be. He was quoted saying that he thought Roseboro, who had removed his mask was going to hit him with it. The best of the subplot though was that Roseboro publicly and privately forgave him and they became lifelong friends… Yes...I was aware of all of that. |
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