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Post by chiyankee on Mar 15, 2024 8:40:01 GMT -5
The first HOF third baseman to procure a gold glove was Brooks Robinson who won in 1960. Willy Mays was the first to win 12 straight gold gloves, getting #12 in 1968. Clemente tied him in 1970. Broke got his twelfth in succession in 1972 and kept going until he had won 16 in a row, the most by any position player in MLB history (as if pitcher wasn’t a position). It is amazing though that Maddux and Kaat top the list of awardees with 18 and 17 respectively. Robinson had such a great fielding WS in 1970 that he got a standing ovation after striking out: He had been called out on strikes in the 8th inning of 5th & final G of the 1970 WS . Returning to the dugout, head hung low, the Oriole faithful rose with a standing ovation for his dream WS. It’s quite possible that Graig Nettles or Aurelio Rodriguez may have deserved some of those 16 gold gloves, and Nettles had his own glorious WS afield one season, but it’s difficult to mount a case against the ambidextrous Robinson. He was such a nice man and obviously could do a few things in the field most players could only dream of doing… I heard Brooks Robinson say in an interview, that Nettles should have won GG the last 5 years instead of him. He thought he won on reputation in those years. Classy thing for Brooks to say. |
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Post by inger on Mar 15, 2024 8:49:04 GMT -5
The first HOF third baseman to procure a gold glove was Brooks Robinson who won in 1960. Willy Mays was the first to win 12 straight gold gloves, getting #12 in 1968. Clemente tied him in 1970. Broke got his twelfth in succession in 1972 and kept going until he had won 16 in a row, the most by any position player in MLB history (as if pitcher wasn’t a position). It is amazing though that Maddux and Kaat top the list of awardees with 18 and 17 respectively. Robinson had such a great fielding WS in 1970 that he got a standing ovation after striking out: He had been called out on strikes in the 8th inning of 5th & final G of the 1970 WS . Returning to the dugout, head hung low, the Oriole faithful rose with a standing ovation for his dream WS. It’s quite possible that Graig Nettles or Aurelio Rodriguez may have deserved some of those 16 gold gloves, and Nettles had his own glorious WS afield one season, but it’s difficult to mount a case against the ambidextrous Robinson. He was such a nice man and obviously could do a few things in the field most players could only dream of doing… I heard Brooks Robinson say in an interview, that Nettles should have won GG the last 5 years instead of him. He thought he won on reputation in those years. A humble man for a ball player… |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 15, 2024 8:51:29 GMT -5
March 1969…The Cards traded future Hall of Famer…..Orlando Cepeda……to The Braves for future Hall of Famer….Joe Torre…. 2 Future MLB Cooperstown inductees….one for one…….in their prime of their career…..in a straight up deal… The closest equivalent to that that I can come up with was the 1926 trade that sent Frankie Frisch to the Cardinals for Rogers Hornsby. They were both pretty much in their primes at the time and of course both easy HOFers. The only difference was that the Giants threw mediocre pitcher Jimmy Ring into the deal. Also in that general category was the 1990 trade in which Toronto sent Fred McGriff and Tony Fermandez to San Diego in return for Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter. Two HOFers swapped in their primes plus two pretty good long career multiple All Star Game players. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 15, 2024 9:26:30 GMT -5
March 1969…The Cards traded future Hall of Famer…..Orlando Cepeda……to The Braves for future Hall of Famer….Joe Torre…. 2 Future MLB Cooperstown inductees….one for one…….in their prime of their career…..in a straight up deal… You don't see many baseball trades anymore. More often they are small market teams dumping salary. Remember when Colavito was traded for Kuenn? Rocky had led the league in HRs and Harvey was the batting champion the year before the deal. I remember that trade vividly. Cleveland fans were furious. Rocky Colavito was and remains to this day (he'll be 91 in August) one of the most popular players in Cleveland history. That trade was the brainchild of the lunatic Cleveland GM Frank "Trader" Lane who had an uncontrollable impulse to make trades. In fact he had traded another pretty good power hitting RFer with a great arm, Roger Maris, from Cleveland just two years earlier. Lane actually started off well as a GM with the White Sox in the 1950s, acquiring through trades star players like Nellie Fox, Minnie Minoso, Billy Pierce and Sherm Lollar. But from there it was all downhill during stints in St. Louis (where he even changed the uniforms, taking the birds on the bat off the jersey), Cleveland and Kansas City. Harvey Kuenn was a good ballplayer -- career .303 hitter, versatile defensively -- and he had a good year for the Indians in 1960, batting .308, which only inspired Lane to trade him too after the season for a washed-up Johnny Antonelli and a so-so OFer named Willie Kirkland (baseball card guy for some of us.) Mudcat Grant, who was with the Indians at the time of the trade, had a great quote about it -- "You want to know why Lane traded Rocky? That's easy. Lane was an idiot." The Tribe got Rocky back five years later in a three-team trade involving the White Sox and the Athletics, but they gave up a young Tommy John and Tommie Agee and a solid veteran catcher John Romano to do so. Can't blame Lane for that one, he was long gone from baseball by then. As you obviously know based on your avatar, Rocky Colavito was another of those players who was well-liked by all baseball fans, not just those of the team he was playing for. A Bronx boy (how did the Yanks not sign him?) who you would often hear called by his full name Rocco Domenico Colavito. He could throw the ball as far as anyone I ever saw. When he hit four home runs in a game at Baltimore in 1959 -- a game I listened to on the radio after a friend called me to let me know he had three -- he was the first American Leaguer to do so in a nine-inning game since Lou Gehrig did it in 1932 (the unknown Pat Seary of the White Sox did it in an extra-inning game in 1948) and it would not happen again in the AL until Mike Cameron of the Mariners did it in 2002. I got Rocky's autograph in Baltimore in 1961 when he was with Detroit. I still have it in my stash since it was one of the survivors of our house flood in 2016. He was very congenial and the main thing I remember is that he had the proverbial blacksmith forearms and he was quite hairy. As they used to say in Cleveland, "Don't knock The Rock." |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 15, 2024 9:44:21 GMT -5
Jim Kaat was the first HOF pitcher to win a Gold Glove when he nabbed one in 1962. The oft-discussed (on this forum) Bobby Shantz won the first pitcher's Gold Glove in 1957 and proceeded to rack up eight of them overall, four in the AL with the Yankees and then four in the NL with five different teams. His eight GGs are behind only Maddux, Kaat and Gibson. What makes it more amazing is that he was 32 years old the first year Gold Gloves were awarded. Had they given them out earlier, he almost certainly would have won another six or seven of them. He was such a graceful, agile athlete, almost like a dancer out there. Also lest we forget Ron Guidry won five of them and Mike Mussina won seven, although only three were with the Yankees. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Mar 15, 2024 9:54:17 GMT -5
You don't see many baseball trades anymore. More often they are small market teams dumping salary. Remember when Colavito was traded for Kuenn? Rocky had led the league in HRs and Harvey was the batting champion the year before the deal. I remember that trade vividly. Cleveland fans were furious. Rocky Colavito was and remains to this day (he'll be 91 in August) one of the most popular players in Cleveland history. That trade was the brainchild of the lunatic Cleveland GM Frank "Trader" Lane who had an uncontrollable impulse to make trades. In fact he had traded another pretty good power hitting RFer with a great arm, Roger Maris, from Cleveland just two years earlier. Lane actually started off well as a GM with the White Sox in the 1950s, acquiring through trades star players like Nellie Fox, Minnie Minoso, Billy Pierce and Sherm Lollar. But from there it was all downhill during stints in St. Louis (where he even changed the uniforms, taking the birds on the bat off the jersey), Cleveland and Kansas City. Harvey Kuenn was a good ballplayer -- career .303 hitter, versatile defensively -- and he had a good year for the Indians in 1960, batting .308, which only inspired Lane to trade him too after the season for a washed-up Johnny Antonelli and a so-so OFer named Willie Kirkland (baseball card guy for some of us.) Mudcat Grant, who was with the Indians at the time of the trade, had a great quote about it -- "You want to know why Lane traded Rocky? That's easy. Lane was an idiot." The Tribe got Rocky back five years later in a three-team trade involving the White Sox and the Athletics, but they gave up a young Tommy John and Tommie Agee and a solid veteran catcher John Romano to do so. Can't blame Lane for that one, he was long gone from baseball by then. As you obviously know based on your avatar, Rocky Colavito was another of those players who was well-liked by all baseball fans, not just those of the team he was playing for. A Bronx boy (how did the Yanks not sign him?) who you would often hear called by his full name Rocco Domenico Colavito. He could throw the ball as far as anyone I ever saw. When he hit four home runs in a game at Baltimore in 1959 -- a game I listened to on the radio after a friend called me to let me know he had three -- he was the first American Leaguer to do so in a nine-inning game since Lou Gehrig did it in 1932 (the unknown Pat Seary of the White Sox did it in an extra-inning game in 1948) and it would not happen again in the AL until Mike Cameron of the Mariners did it in 2002. I got Rocky's autograph in Baltimore in 1961 when he was with Detroit. I still have it in my stash since it was one of the survivors of our house flood in 2016. He was very congenial and the main thing I remember is that he had the proverbial blacksmith forearms and he was quite hairy. As they used to say in Cleveland, "Don't knock The Rock." Rocky is a great kid and was my favorite player when I was a kid. I know he's had some healt issues and had to have a leg amputated but from what I've read, remains sharp as a tack. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 15, 2024 9:58:30 GMT -5
I heard Brooks Robinson say in an interview, that Nettles should have won GG the last 5 years instead of him. He thought he won on reputation in those years. Classy thing for Brooks to say. A good friend of mine met Brooks back in the 90s. He was classy, humble, down to earth, and had a great appreciation for the fans. Modern day athletes could learn a lot from a guy like him. |
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Post by inger on Mar 15, 2024 11:33:59 GMT -5
Nellie Fox was the first HOF to win a GG as a 2B, again another one of the inaugural winners in 1957.
Fox was the 5th hardest batter to strike out in all of baseball history.
In 1959 when the Sox surprised by taking the AL pennant, Fox and keystone partner Luis Aparicio finished 1-2 respectively in the AL MVP vote. Team mate Early Wynn finished third…
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Post by inger on Mar 15, 2024 11:36:21 GMT -5
One of his managers, Paul Richards, decided to rest him for a couple of days, but soon lamented his decision, saying, “I took it for a couple of days. Then I had to put him back in the lineup. On the bench, he was driving me crazy.”…
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 15, 2024 15:26:54 GMT -5
One of his managers, Paul Richards, decided to rest him for a couple of days, but soon lamented his decision, saying, “I took it for a couple of days. Then I had to put him back in the lineup. On the bench, he was driving me crazy.”… I recall Joe Torre saying something very similar about Derek Jeter. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 15, 2024 15:32:10 GMT -5
Jim Kaat was the first HOF pitcher to win a Gold Glove when he nabbed one in 1962. The oft-discussed (on this forum) Bobby Shantz won the first pitcher's Gold Glove in 1957 and proceeded to rack up eight of them overall, four in the AL with the Yankees and then four in the NL with five different teams. His eight GGs are behind only Maddux, Kaat and Gibson. What makes it more amazing is that he was 32 years old the first year Gold Gloves were awarded. Had they given them out earlier, he almost certainly would have won another six or seven of them. He was such a graceful, agile athlete, almost like a dancer out there. Also lest we forget Ron Guidry won five of them and Mike Mussina won seven, although only three were with the Yankees. Ron Guidry may have been the quickest off the mound of any pitcher I ever saw. Both he and Mussina finished their follow-throughs with a little crow-hop. Guidry's hop was more definitive, but both wound up in a good fielding position, rather than falling off the mound toward first or third base. |
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Post by inger on Mar 15, 2024 15:36:45 GMT -5
The oft-discussed (on this forum) Bobby Shantz won the first pitcher's Gold Glove in 1957 and proceeded to rack up eight of them overall, four in the AL with the Yankees and then four in the NL with five different teams. His eight GGs are behind only Maddux, Kaat and Gibson. What makes it more amazing is that he was 32 years old the first year Gold Gloves were awarded. Had they given them out earlier, he almost certainly would have won another six or seven of them. He was such a graceful, agile athlete, almost like a dancer out there. Also lest we forget Ron Guidry won five of them and Mike Mussina won seven, although only three were with the Yankees. Ron Guidry may have been the quickest off the mound of any pitcher I ever saw. Both he and Mussina finished their follow-throughs with a little crow-hop. Guidry's hop was more definitive, but both wound up in a good fielding position, rather than falling off the mound toward first or third base. I see a lot of that in Stroman. He’s very agile. Remembering Dean Chance, who used to finish with his glove up at his face… |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 15, 2024 15:39:52 GMT -5
Ron Guidry may have been the quickest off the mound of any pitcher I ever saw. Both he and Mussina finished their follow-throughs with a little crow-hop. Guidry's hop was more definitive, but both wound up in a good fielding position, rather than falling off the mound toward first or third base. I see a lot of that in Stroman. He’s very agile. Remembering Dean Chance, who used to finish with his glove up at his face… Shantz, Guidry & Stroman have something in common... |
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Post by inger on Mar 15, 2024 15:47:54 GMT -5
The left fielder on our team of the first HOFs to win a gold glove in the inaugural season for gold gloves (1957) is Minnie Minoso, and I couldn’t be happier.
Minoso led the entirety of MLB in HBP 9 times and just the AL in another season.
Here’s a delightful quote from him in which he boasts a bit, but also doesn’t put his fellow players down:
He once said (paraphrasing here), “There might be players who are better hitters than me, have more power, have a stronger throwing arm, are better fielders, can even bunt better, but nobody ever hustled more on the field of play. I’ll admit that there are some who maybe hustled as much as I did, but nobody hustled more than I did. Nobody”…
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Post by inger on Mar 16, 2024 8:31:44 GMT -5
There is one Hall of Fame position yet to fill for the gold glove theme and Luis Aparicio is the shortstop, winning his gold glove in 1958. At this point there have been 473 Venezuelans in MLB, and only Looie had made the HOF…
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