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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2024 10:21:18 GMT -5
Dolf Luque had one of baseball’s greatest outlier seasons in 1923 when he posted a 27-8 record with an ERA of 1.93 to win the NL crown. (201 ERA+)…
Luque never won more than 17 games in any other season, and in fact that season of 17 wins also featured 19 losses, and his next best winning season he was 16-18 (although he did win another ERA crown that season…
Luque was a fine hitter with a lifetime 194-179 record and an ERA+ of 118, but his 1923 season was the penultimate of his career. He was 19 games over .500 on a career during which he was 15 games over .500…
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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2024 10:50:19 GMT -5
The last pitcher to have 20 complete games in a season was Fernando Valenzuela, who did so in 1986…
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Mar 21, 2024 11:27:01 GMT -5
The last pitcher to have 20 complete games in a season was Fernando Valenzuela, who did so in 1986… Last year, Sandy Alcantara led the NL and Jorden Lyles led the AL in complete games. Each accomplished this feat 3 times. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 21, 2024 11:31:44 GMT -5
1941 St. Louis Cardinals. Their starting line-up was: C Gus Mancuso MVP-17 1B Johnny Mize AS, MVP-9 2B Frank Crespi MVP-18 SS Marty Marion MVP-24 3B Jimmy Brown MVP-4 OF Enos Slaughter AS, MVP-19 OF Johnny Hopp MVP-8 OF Terry Moore AS, MVP-12 PH - Estel Crabtree, MVP-32 SP Lon Warneke AS, MVP-27 SP Ernie White MVP-6 SP Mort Cooper MVP-24 No other team has had 12 players receiving MVP votes, all the starting position players, plus the main pinch-hitter/backup outfield, plus three starting pitchers… And that was the year before Stan Musial became a regular. Also the year before Whitey Kurowski, an outstanding short career third baseman who got MVP votes in five of his six full seasons, became a regular. Those were great Cardinal teams who were the result of Branch Rickey's genius for establishing the minor league farm system. Quickly followed by the Ed Barrow/George Weiss tandem with the Yankees. |
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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2024 11:42:02 GMT -5
Catfish Hunter if the New York Yankees was the last pitcher to toss 30 complete games, in 1975…
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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2024 11:52:10 GMT -5
1941 St. Louis Cardinals. Their starting line-up was: C Gus Mancuso MVP-17 1B Johnny Mize AS, MVP-9 2B Frank Crespi MVP-18 SS Marty Marion MVP-24 3B Jimmy Brown MVP-4 OF Enos Slaughter AS, MVP-19 OF Johnny Hopp MVP-8 OF Terry Moore AS, MVP-12 PH - Estel Crabtree, MVP-32 SP Lon Warneke AS, MVP-27 SP Ernie White MVP-6 SP Mort Cooper MVP-24 No other team has had 12 players receiving MVP votes, all the starting position players, plus the main pinch-hitter/backup outfield, plus three starting pitchers… And that was the year before Stan Musial became a regular. Also the year before Whitey Kurowski, an outstanding short career third baseman who got MVP votes in five of his six full seasons, became a regular. Those were great Cardinal teams who were the result of Branch Rickey's genius for establishing the minor league farm system. Quickly followed by the Ed Barrow/George Weiss tandem with the Yankees. Although they didn’t have as many players get WS VOTES AS THE ‘41 Cards, the 1968 Tigers had the most combined MVP/CYA “shares” in modern history. That surprised me… |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 21, 2024 12:15:38 GMT -5
1941 St. Louis Cardinals. Their starting line-up was: C Gus Mancuso MVP-17 1B Johnny Mize AS, MVP-9 2B Frank Crespi MVP-18 SS Marty Marion MVP-24 3B Jimmy Brown MVP-4 OF Enos Slaughter AS, MVP-19 OF Johnny Hopp MVP-8 OF Terry Moore AS, MVP-12 PH - Estel Crabtree, MVP-32 SP Lon Warneke AS, MVP-27 SP Ernie White MVP-6 SP Mort Cooper MVP-24 No other team has had 12 players receiving MVP votes, all the starting position players, plus the main pinch-hitter/backup outfield, plus three starting pitchers… Abbott: “Excuse me sir, do you have any bats?” Salesman: “Certainly, here’s a fine bat! Autographed by Slaughter of the Cardinals. This bat was made for Slaughter!” Costello: “Ain’t ya got one that was made for baseball?” Salesman: “No, no. Slaughter the baseball player.” Costello: “Slaughter the baseball player?! With that bat you could slaughter ANYONE!” Salesman: “Young man, everyone knows Slaughter. EEE-nos Slaughter.” Costello: “Well, maybe he knows Slaughter but I don’t know him!” |
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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2024 12:17:03 GMT -5
1941 St. Louis Cardinals. Their starting line-up was: C Gus Mancuso MVP-17 1B Johnny Mize AS, MVP-9 2B Frank Crespi MVP-18 SS Marty Marion MVP-24 3B Jimmy Brown MVP-4 OF Enos Slaughter AS, MVP-19 OF Johnny Hopp MVP-8 OF Terry Moore AS, MVP-12 PH - Estel Crabtree, MVP-32 SP Lon Warneke AS, MVP-27 SP Ernie White MVP-6 SP Mort Cooper MVP-24 No other team has had 12 players receiving MVP votes, all the starting position players, plus the main pinch-hitter/backup outfield, plus three starting pitchers… Abbott: “Excuse me sir, do you have any bats?” Salesman: “Certainly, here’s a fine bat! Autographed by Slaughter of the Cardinals. This bat was made for Slaughter!” Costello: “Ain’t ya got one that was made for baseball?” Salesman: “No, no. Slaughter the baseball player.” Costello: “Slaughter the baseball player?! With that bat you could slaughter ANYONE!” Salesman: “Young man, everyone knows Slaughter. EEE-nos Slaughter.” Costello: “Well, maybe he knows Slaughter but I don’t know him!” 😂 |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 21, 2024 12:26:56 GMT -5
Abbott: “Excuse me sir, do you have any bats?” Salesman: “Certainly, here’s a fine bat! Autographed by Slaughter of the Cardinals. This bat was made for Slaughter!” Costello: “Ain’t ya got one that was made for baseball?” Salesman: “No, no. Slaughter the baseball player.” Costello: “Slaughter the baseball player?! With that bat you could slaughter ANYONE!” Salesman: “Young man, everyone knows Slaughter. EEE-nos Slaughter.” Costello: “Well, maybe he knows Slaughter but I don’t know him!” 😂 Costello: I think we’re gonna play the Cleveland Indians. Abbott: Is Feller pitching? Costello: Certainly there’s a feller pitching. Who do you think they’d use a girl? Abbott: I know they don’t use a girl. I said, Feller pitching? Costello: What feller? Abbott: Feller with the Cleveland Indians. Costello: Look Abbott, there’s nine guys on the Cleveland team. Now which feller are you talking about? Abbott: Feller that pitches. There is only one Feller with Cleveland. Costello: You mean nine Yankees are going to play against one feller? Abbott: That’s right. Costello: You mean there’s no fellers in the outfield? Abbott: No. Costello: And There’s no fellers in the infield? Abbott: No. Cleveland only has one Feller. Costello: Well, this feller must be pretty good if he doesn’t need any players but himself. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Mar 21, 2024 12:38:02 GMT -5
And that was the year before Stan Musial became a regular. Also the year before Whitey Kurowski, an outstanding short career third baseman who got MVP votes in five of his six full seasons, became a regular. Those were great Cardinal teams who were the result of Branch Rickey's genius for establishing the minor league farm system. Quickly followed by the Ed Barrow/George Weiss tandem with the Yankees. Although they didn’t have as many players get WS VOTES AS THE ‘41 Cards, the 1968 Tigers had the most combined MVP/CYA “shares” in modern history. That surprised me… Me too, although that team had All Star caliber players everywhere but SS and 3B (Oyler and Wert) plus Kaline being kind of a swing OFer/PHer (I think he missed a fair amount due to injuries) and Gates Brown having a great season mainly as a PHer. McLain of course was spectacular, and while Lolich had an outstanding W-L record and a historic World Series, I was surprised to see that his ERA+ was only 95. Earl Wilson was actually better at 106. But they were primarily a hitting team, and I was so glad they knocked off what looked like an inevitable champion in St. Louis. Still, hard to believe some of the Yankee teams of the late 30s or early 50s or late 90s didn't surpass that. Or the Big Red Machine squads. Or the A's of the early 70s. I would certainly not have put the 68 Tigers ahead of those groups. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 21, 2024 12:59:33 GMT -5
Catfish Hunter if the New York Yankees was the last pitcher to toss 30 complete games, in 1975… Don't see any pitcher ever coming close to that again. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 21, 2024 14:29:14 GMT -5
1941 St. Louis Cardinals. Their starting line-up was: C Gus Mancuso MVP-17 1B Johnny Mize AS, MVP-9 2B Frank Crespi MVP-18 SS Marty Marion MVP-24 3B Jimmy Brown MVP-4 OF Enos Slaughter AS, MVP-19 OF Johnny Hopp MVP-8 OF Terry Moore AS, MVP-12 PH - Estel Crabtree, MVP-32 SP Lon Warneke AS, MVP-27 SP Ernie White MVP-6 SP Mort Cooper MVP-24 No other team has had 12 players receiving MVP votes, all the starting position players, plus the main pinch-hitter/backup outfield, plus three starting pitchers… And that was the year before Stan Musial became a regular. Also the year before Whitey Kurowski, an outstanding short career third baseman who got MVP votes in five of his six full seasons, became a regular. Those were great Cardinal teams who were the result of Branch Rickey's genius for establishing the minor league farm system. Quickly followed by the Ed Barrow/George Weiss tandem with the Yankees. My father's and grandfather's beloved St. Louis Cardinals - the two of them would have been 16 and 49 years old in 1941. Somewhere floating in the universe are the radio waves of the games they listened to while gathered around the family radio. |
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Post by inger on Mar 21, 2024 14:34:12 GMT -5
And that was the year before Stan Musial became a regular. Also the year before Whitey Kurowski, an outstanding short career third baseman who got MVP votes in five of his six full seasons, became a regular. Those were great Cardinal teams who were the result of Branch Rickey's genius for establishing the minor league farm system. Quickly followed by the Ed Barrow/George Weiss tandem with the Yankees. My father's and grandfather's beloved St. Louis Cardinals - the two of them would have been 16 and 49 years old in 1941. Somewhere floating in the universe are the radio waves of the games they listened to while gathered around the family radio. Somewhere on an unknown planet in an undiscovered galaxy: “Father, do you think these ‘41 Cardinals could beat this year’s Marfgats?”… |
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Post by azbob643 on Mar 21, 2024 14:43:28 GMT -5
My father's and grandfather's beloved St. Louis Cardinals - the two of them would have been 16 and 49 years old in 1941. Somewhere floating in the universe are the radio waves of the games they listened to while gathered around the family radio. Back in the days when the Cardinals were the farthest south team in MLB. Had a huge fan base...I believe the Mantles were Cards fans. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 21, 2024 14:46:50 GMT -5
My father's and grandfather's beloved St. Louis Cardinals - the two of them would have been 16 and 49 years old in 1941. Somewhere floating in the universe are the radio waves of the games they listened to while gathered around the family radio. Back in the days when the Cardinals were the farthest south team in MLB. Had a huge fan base...I believe the Mantles were Cards fans. That was definitely one of the reasons - perhaps the main one. It always struck me curiously that my father's side of the family would not have pulled for the Yankees with all the Italian surnames in their vaunted history. The word vaunted was used for Inger. |
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