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Post by chiyankee on Apr 29, 2024 8:27:28 GMT -5
Ernie Banks…. 2528 games played without ever reaching the postseason. One feels pretty comfortable saying….a record that never will be broken…. Mr. Cub had assets worth $16,000 when he died in 2015... That's so sad. I know Banks had a job with the Cubs during his senior years in their promotions department, meeting with advertising clients and basically just being Ernie Banks. Today a player like him would be making 25+ million per year.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Apr 29, 2024 9:04:17 GMT -5
Ernie Banks…. 2528 games played without ever reaching the postseason. One feels pretty comfortable saying….a record that never will be broken…. Mr. Cub had assets worth $16,000 when he died in 2015... The assets part is really sad. I wonder what happened to his money. While I'm sure he didn't make as much as modern players I would have thought he would have had some earning opportunities after baseball considering how popular he was.
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 29, 2024 9:13:05 GMT -5
in the 1920’s Walter Johnson pitched to a 265-143 (.650) record for the woeful Senators while the other starters on the team combined for 490-594 (.452)… There can't be many, if any, other pitchers whose W-L percentage is .200 higher than the team when someone else is pitching. It was just for one season, but in 1972 Steve Carlton had a .730 winning percentage (27-10) on a Phillies team that finished with a .378 percentage (59-97.) In games not pitched by Carlton, that team was 32-87, for a pathetic .269 winning percentage. Carlton was .461 better than the team without him pitching. There were only 156 games for the Phillies because of the first-ever players strike at the start of the season. Even though he played for mostly really good teams, Whitey Ford's career .690 PCT was still considerably higher than the Yankee teams he pitched for. I am far too unambitious to add that up. Even that great 1961 team had a W-L PCT of "only" .673. And the Yanks were crappy in his last three seasons.
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 29, 2024 9:15:10 GMT -5
Ernie Banks…. 2528 games played without ever reaching the postseason. One feels pretty comfortable saying….a record that never will be broken…. Mr. Cub had assets worth $16,000 when he died in 2015... The assets part is really sad. I wonder what happened to his money. While I'm sure he didn't make as much as modern players I would have thought he would have had some earning opportunities after baseball considering how popular he was. Sounds like he simply didn't manage his money well. Ernie Banks could have cashed in almost anywhere in Chicago.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Apr 29, 2024 10:29:04 GMT -5
The assets part is really sad. I wonder what happened to his money. While I'm sure he didn't make as much as modern players I would have thought he would have had some earning opportunities after baseball considering how popular he was. Sounds like he simply didn't manage his money well. Ernie Banks could have cashed in almost anywhere in Chicago. I just read an article that said his career earnings as a baseball player came to 800k. After baseball he took a job on a Board that paid him 15k a year. The article did not mention any other earnings although I would guess there were some. It also mentioned that his estate was contested by his estranged wife and caretaker.
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Post by inger on May 1, 2024 9:12:11 GMT -5
Mickey Cochran was the first manager to lead his team to a 100- win season as in his first year as a manager. When he won MVPs in 1928 with Philadelphia and again in 1934 he became the first player to win MVP’s with two different AL teams. Cochrane hit for the cycle twice while with Philly, and rather unusually on the first occasion he garnered all four hits off one pitcher, General Crowder of the Senators. Cochrane is one of a handful of catchers I’ll feature in the this column that has hit an inside the park grand slam, on June 4, 1936, off Stu Flythe… box score below… www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHA/PHA193606040.shtml…
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Post by inger on May 1, 2024 13:38:55 GMT -5
The second catcher to hit an inside the park grand slam on my list is none other than everyone’s favorite national baseball broadcaster, Mr. Tim McCarver. He connected on June 9, 1963 off Larry Bearnarth in the second game of a double header as his Cards thumped the Mets. McCarver was the only catcher in the 20th century to fill all columns in the extra base categories in double figures when he hit 19 2B, 13 3B and 12HR in 1966. That was also the year of his first all-Star Game. The following year was the only season McCarver received any MVP votes when he finished in second place to team-mate Orlando Cepeda… www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN196306092.shtml
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Post by pippsheadache on May 2, 2024 5:24:20 GMT -5
The second catcher to hit an inside the park grand slam on my list is none other than everyone’s favorite national baseball broadcaster, Mr. Tim McCarver. He connected on June 9, 1963 off Larry Bearnarth in the second game of a double header as his Cards thumped the Mets. McCarver was the only catcher in the 20th century to fill all columns in the extra base categories in double figures when he hit 19 2B, 13 3B and 12HR in 1966. That was also the year of his first all-Star Game. The following year was the only season McCarver received any MVP votes when he finished in second place to team-mate Orlando Cepeda… www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN196306092.shtmlInger, you got a genuine LOL from me with that line about McCarver being "everyone's favorite national baseball broadcaster." There's a lot of competition for that crown -- Joe Morgan, John Smoltz, A-Rod, Jessica Mendoza come quickly to mind -- but McCarver would get a lot of votes. But he was a very good catcher in his day. And on those occasions when he wasn't bloviating, he could be an intelligent observer. But those moments were few and far between.
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Post by rizzuto on May 2, 2024 7:15:37 GMT -5
The second catcher to hit an inside the park grand slam on my list is none other than everyone’s favorite national baseball broadcaster, Mr. Tim McCarver. He connected on June 9, 1963 off Larry Bearnarth in the second game of a double header as his Cards thumped the Mets. McCarver was the only catcher in the 20th century to fill all columns in the extra base categories in double figures when he hit 19 2B, 13 3B and 12HR in 1966. That was also the year of his first all-Star Game. The following year was the only season McCarver received any MVP votes when he finished in second place to team-mate Orlando Cepeda… www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN196306092.shtmlInger, you got a genuine LOL from me with that line about McCarver being "everyone's favorite national baseball broadcaster." There's a lot of competition for that crown -- Joe Morgan, John Smoltz, A-Rod, Jessica Mendoza come quickly to mind -- but McCarver would get a lot of votes. But he was a very good catcher in his day. And on those occasions when he wasn't bloviating, he could be an intelligent observer. But those moments were few and far between. That insipid voice, “Yankee Stadium is a bandbox.” As if the opposition was swinging in a different ballpark. I couldn’t stand him and Joe Buck, though his father was great.
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Post by pippsheadache on May 2, 2024 9:01:27 GMT -5
Inger, you got a genuine LOL from me with that line about McCarver being "everyone's favorite national baseball broadcaster." There's a lot of competition for that crown -- Joe Morgan, John Smoltz, A-Rod, Jessica Mendoza come quickly to mind -- but McCarver would get a lot of votes. But he was a very good catcher in his day. And on those occasions when he wasn't bloviating, he could be an intelligent observer. But those moments were few and far between. That insipid voice, “Yankee Stadium is a bandbox.” As if the opposition was swinging in a different ballpark. I couldn’t stand him and Joe Buck, though his father was great. How did I leave Joe Buck off of this list? Of course he belongs, with his snotty entitled attitude. I agree, nothing like the old man -- "I don't believe what I just saw" summed up that moment perfectly. Jack Buck was one of those straightforward Midwest broadcasters -- not necessarily born in the Midwest, but mostly worked there -- that I always enjoyed. Ray Scott, Ernie Harwell, Don Criqui -- those guys were just pros who mostly let the game speak for itself.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 2, 2024 9:24:50 GMT -5
That insipid voice, “Yankee Stadium is a bandbox.” As if the opposition was swinging in a different ballpark. I couldn’t stand him and Joe Buck, though his father was great. How did I leave Joe Buck off of this list? Of course he belongs, with his snotty entitled attitude. I agree, nothing like the old man -- "I don't believe what I just saw" summed up that moment perfectly. Jack Buck was one of those straightforward Midwest broadcasters -- not necessarily born in the Midwest, but mostly worked there -- that I always enjoyed. Ray Scott, Ernie Harwell, Don Criqui -- those guys were just pros who mostly let the game speak for itself. I thought Frank Messer was underrated. Another guy who was understated and probably didn't get as much credit as he deserved. From the same Yankee era I also enjoyed listening to Bill White.
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Post by Max on May 2, 2024 11:06:25 GMT -5
Inger, you got a genuine LOL from me with that line about McCarver being "everyone's favorite national baseball broadcaster." There's a lot of competition for that crown -- Joe Morgan, John Smoltz, A-Rod, Jessica Mendoza come quickly to mind -- but McCarver would get a lot of votes. But he was a very good catcher in his day. And on those occasions when he wasn't bloviating, he could be an intelligent observer. But those moments were few and far between. That insipid voice, “Yankee Stadium is a bandbox.” As if the opposition was swinging in a different ballpark. I couldn’t stand him and Joe Buck, though his father was great. Anyone that thinks that Yankee Stadium is a bandbox overall, should look at the dimensions of the power allies and Centerfield.
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Post by pippsheadache on May 2, 2024 11:11:03 GMT -5
How did I leave Joe Buck off of this list? Of course he belongs, with his snotty entitled attitude. I agree, nothing like the old man -- "I don't believe what I just saw" summed up that moment perfectly. Jack Buck was one of those straightforward Midwest broadcasters -- not necessarily born in the Midwest, but mostly worked there -- that I always enjoyed. Ray Scott, Ernie Harwell, Don Criqui -- those guys were just pros who mostly let the game speak for itself. I thought Frank Messer was underrated. Another guy who was understated and probably didn't get as much credit as he deserved. From the same Yankee era I also enjoyed listening to Bill White. Frank Messer was great, a pro's pro. The Don Mattingly of broadcasters -- one hundred percent substance, zero BS. One of the best to ever sit behind the mic in my opinion. Bill White was also a gem. Knowledgeable and a straight shooter, just like he was as a player and executive. His interaction with the avuncular Phil Rizzuto was the perfect blend of entertainment and information. The Yankees have had some great broadcasting teams, going back to the immortals Mel Allen and Red Barber, but I don't think any team meshed any better than White, Messer and Rizzuto. I can remember when Bill White used to broadcast Big Five college basketball in Philly. He was just as good at that as he was at baseball.
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Post by chiyankee on May 2, 2024 11:24:37 GMT -5
I thought Frank Messer was underrated. Another guy who was understated and probably didn't get as much credit as he deserved. From the same Yankee era I also enjoyed listening to Bill White. Frank Messer was great, a pro's pro. The Don Mattingly of broadcasters -- one hundred percent substance, zero BS. One of the best to ever sit behind the mic in my opinion. Bill White was also a gem. Knowledgeable and a straight shooter, just like he was as a player and executive. His interaction with the avuncular Phil Rizzuto was the perfect blend of entertainment and information. The Yankees have had some great broadcasting teams, going back to the immortals Mel Allen and Red Barber, but I don't think any team meshed any better than White, Messer and Rizzuto. I can remember when Bill White used to broadcast Big Five college basketball in Philly. He was just as good at that as he was at baseball. Bill White was an underrated ballplayer too.
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Post by bomberhojoe on May 2, 2024 14:54:12 GMT -5
Inger, you got a genuine LOL from me with that line about McCarver being "everyone's favorite national baseball broadcaster." There's a lot of competition for that crown -- Joe Morgan, John Smoltz, A-Rod, Jessica Mendoza come quickly to mind -- but McCarver would get a lot of votes. But he was a very good catcher in his day. And on those occasions when he wasn't bloviating, he could be an intelligent observer. But those moments were few and far between. That insipid voice, “Yankee Stadium is a bandbox.” As if the opposition was swinging in a different ballpark. I couldn’t stand him and Joe Buck, though his father was great. Jack Buck was a legendary broadcaster! I am with you though on his boy Joe. I think he is awful in baseball and football. I've also never been impressed with any of the others (Morgan, Smoltz, Rodriguez, Mendoza, McCarver) named above. IMO some greats were Scully, Gowdy and Mel Allen!
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