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Post by rizzuto on Jul 1, 2024 16:05:17 GMT -5
He softened his stance recently:
"Sometimes one says things. It is not that I am trying to take back what I said about the Yankees," Guerrero told Virus Deportivo on Monday. "But this is a business. I sat down and spoke with my dad [Vladimir Guerrero Sr.] and my family, and this is a business. And I said I would never again talk about this topic and lots of people have asked me about it."
"Like I tell you, I'm a player and if a team picks me or if they do something, it's because they need it, obviously, and I'll be happy to help any team," Guerrero told Virus Deportivo on Monday. "But right now, I'm just focused on helping my team try to get out of this bad streak."
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. open to possibility of trade to Yankees
Maybe, kaybli (hey! That rhymes! Well, sorta...), but I think his prior statements are his true feelings. I think he truly believes that the Yankees, or their fans, did something against his father than he considers irredeemable, and that, if traded to the Yankees, he would come to the team and honer his contract or time remaining before free agency and leave as soon as possibly. I wouldn't want a player, even an elite hitting talent, and Guerrero is one of those very rare elite hitting talens (as is Soto) on the team if he doesn't want to be here. Learned that leesson when Gary Sheffield forced his way out of New York, as he did almost every other place he played, to the detriment of all those teams. Sheffield was a very prickly personality. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 1, 2024 16:07:02 GMT -5
I can't blame him for being mad at the Yankees, because I recently heard via Michael Kay that the Yankees had a deal with Vlad Sr when Vlad Sr. became a free agent. George nixed the signing because he wanted to sign Sheffield.
May he rest in peace, but that was another mistake by George. Sheff was a good player, but Vladdy was an excellent player.
George did something similar when he stole David Wells from the D'backs. They thought they had an agreement with Wells, when the Yanks rushed in at the last moment to outbid them and steal him away. As a result, they traded Schilling to the Red Sox, and 2004 was the result. Then they raised the price for Johnson much higher than the one the Sox paid for Schilling, and that trade didn't work out nearly as well for the Yanks as the Schilling trade did for Boston. I still believe we win that series if Tony Clark's double doesn't bound into the stands. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 1, 2024 16:46:53 GMT -5
We've seen him make several plays in recent games in which he demonstrated he has the quick reactions needed. The play he made recently snagging a rocket line drive to his right, while he was playing in, then doubling up the runner at 3B speaks for itself. There had been a question as to whether he has the arm to play 3B...that's been put to rest. I've previously posted info/stats which debunk the myth that he doesn't. In fact, many scouts projected him as a 3B while he was in the minors...limited range, strong arm. Screams 3B. Gleyber is making 14.2 mm this season. What do you think would be a fair offer from the Yankees to bring him back? Would you go multi years or a one year prove it deal? I think Gleyber likes playing in NY and also think he might take a little less from the Yankees to stay in pinstripes. I usually avoid getting into that discussion because it really isn't what I think is fair, it's what the Yanks are willing/able to pay. Like it or not, a player's value and what a team can afford or is willing to pay are two different things. In Gleyber's case, what the Yankees are willing to pay will almost certainly be affected by the fact that they already have several large, long-term contracts in place and another possibly on the horizon. But I'll give it a shot... The fact that he's struggled offensively to this point this year may be a silver lining, meaning he probably won't command the contract on the open market many believed he would, making him "too expensive" to keep which, IMO, is a ridiculous argument, but I'll leave it at that for now. He'll be only 28 going into next season, so I'd say a contract similar to what Matt Chapman got is reasonable...4 years/$18M per. I firmly believe him when he says he wants to be a Yankee for life so, as you said, it may take less than that. Of course that depends on him producing the rest of the year as he did in '23. If not, all bets are off. |
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Post by inger on Jul 1, 2024 17:28:59 GMT -5
Gleyber is making 14.2 mm this season. What do you think would be a fair offer from the Yankees to bring him back? Would you go multi years or a one year prove it deal? I think Gleyber likes playing in NY and also think he might take a little less from the Yankees to stay in pinstripes. I usually avoid getting into that discussion because it really isn't what I think is fair, it's what the Yanks are willing/able to pay. Like it or not, a player's value and what a team can afford or is willing to pay are two different things. In Gleyber's case, what the Yankees are willing to pay will almost certainly be affected by the fact that they already have several large, long-term contracts in place and another possibly on the horizon. But I'll give it a shot... The fact that he's struggled offensively to this point this year may be a silver lining, meaning he probably won't command the contract on the open market many believed he would, making him "too expensive" to keep which, IMO, is a ridiculous argument, but I'll leave it at that for now. He'll be only 28 going into next season, so I'd say a contract similar to what Matt Chapman got is reasonable...4 years/$18M per. I firmly believe him when he says he wants to be a Yankee for life so, as you said, it may take less than that. Of course that depends on him producing the rest of the year as he did in '23. If not, all bets are off. What players are paid, what they’re worth and the number of years they sign for often defy logic… |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 1, 2024 17:57:13 GMT -5
Gleyber is making 14.2 mm this season. What do you think would be a fair offer from the Yankees to bring him back? Would you go multi years or a one year prove it deal? I think Gleyber likes playing in NY and also think he might take a little less from the Yankees to stay in pinstripes. I usually avoid getting into that discussion because it really isn't what I think is fair, it's what the Yanks are willing/able to pay. Like it or not, a player's value and what a team can afford or is willing to pay are two different things. In Gleyber's case, what the Yankees are willing to pay will almost certainly be affected by the fact that they already have several large, long-term contracts in place and another possibly on the horizon. But I'll give it a shot... The fact that he's struggled offensively to this point this year may be a silver lining, meaning he probably won't command the contract on the open market many believed he would, making him "too expensive" to keep which, IMO, is a ridiculous argument, but I'll leave it at that for now. He'll be only 28 going into next season, so I'd say a contract similar to what Matt Chapman got is reasonable...4 years/$18M per. I firmly believe him when he says he wants to be a Yankee for life so, as you said, it may take less than that. Of course that depends on him producing the rest of the year as he did in '23. If not, all bets are off. I actually think that sounds reasonable. I'm not sure who his agent is and depending on what the market is like I could see him signing a 1 year deal with hopes of a bounce back season and a bigger payday. I guess to a large degree it depends how much he really wants to stay in pinstripes. I do think the Yankees will try to resolve the Soto situation before filling out the rest of the roster. I can't get a feel for just how far Hal will go to sign Soto. If rumors are true that he wants to be the first $50mm a year player I'm not sure Hal will go there. The Yankees have almost $190mm committed to pre arbitration players next season and that is only 8 players. I'm not entirely sure how pre arbitration works but both Gil and Volpe are making less than 1mm per year. I would expect each of them to get a sizable raise. Cole can opt out and ask for more. Who knows if he will but if he does, do we pony up or let him walk? There will be many interesting decisions and while it may seem like we have a lot of cash going into next year there are a lot of roster spots to be filled and Hal seems serious about lowering payroll below $300mm. I like Torres at $18mm better than Bellinger at $27.5, I think. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 1, 2024 17:58:49 GMT -5
I usually avoid getting into that discussion because it really isn't what I think is fair, it's what the Yanks are willing/able to pay. Like it or not, a player's value and what a team can afford or is willing to pay are two different things. In Gleyber's case, what the Yankees are willing to pay will almost certainly be affected by the fact that they already have several large, long-term contracts in place and another possibly on the horizon. But I'll give it a shot... The fact that he's struggled offensively to this point this year may be a silver lining, meaning he probably won't command the contract on the open market many believed he would, making him "too expensive" to keep which, IMO, is a ridiculous argument, but I'll leave it at that for now. He'll be only 28 going into next season, so I'd say a contract similar to what Matt Chapman got is reasonable...4 years/$18M per. I firmly believe him when he says he wants to be a Yankee for life so, as you said, it may take less than that. Of course that depends on him producing the rest of the year as he did in '23. If not, all bets are off. What players are paid, what they’re worth and the number of years they sign for often defy logic… Very often underpaid in their early years and overpaid in later years. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 1, 2024 18:00:38 GMT -5
What players are paid, what they’re worth and the number of years they sign for often defy logic… I don’t begrudge players getting paid what they do, no more than I do Springsteen getting $80M or even Judge Judy $50M annually. And team owners wouldn’t be paying that money if they weren’t getting a substantial ROI. |
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Post by inger on Jul 1, 2024 18:04:09 GMT -5
What players are paid, what they’re worth and the number of years they sign for often defy logic… Very often underpaid in their early years and overpaid in later years. I don’t know if anyone making $750 K or whatever the ML minimum is can claim being underpaid, but I suppose within the context of what MLB baseball is, they are, I suppose. The elder years overpay is a bit more egregious… I the end, it’s us that are paying them, because we’ll break our backs and often our budget to do so… |
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Post by nw on Jul 1, 2024 18:50:18 GMT -5
According to those who constantly spout anti-Gleyber sentiment, seems just about anyone would be a better option. They could give Vivas or Peraza a shot Bellinger would be a huge upgrade Offensively and Defensively at 1B or OF I wasn't Anti-Gleyber before this season ... I was hoping for a huge season and to resign him. The Huge season turned into the worst season of his career so far and resigning is clearly not going to happen at this point ... so why not make a trade to fill a position of more need Vivas is an interesting option for second base because he has shown a few things throughout his minor league career. He's a patient hitter, he can make contact, and he doesn't swing and miss, even on near MLB quality breaking stuff that he's seen at AAA. He doesn't hit for an impressive average nor does he have impressive power, but even with an average hovering around .250, he maintains an OBP near .400. I think Vivas may emerge as a second base possibility in 2025 but he'd really have to crack the roster as the second baseman. He doesn't have great speed, he doesn't project well at any other position due to his arm strength, average range, and below average reaction time off the bat. He could be one of those "ok" players that fits in a lineup and contributes. However, right now, the Yankees are theoretically looking toward winning a championship. Vivas doesn't provide them a better route to that championship than Gleyber with the current roster construction. While he might be a minor upgrade to the poor-performing Gleyber we've seen pretty much all year with the exception of this weekend, I don't think taking a risk on a minor upgrade is worth losing what we know Gleyber could be. The Yankees have no shortage of players who can get on base. They are third in baseball in OBP. They lead the league in walks. They are even in the bottom half in Ks. While they're third in baseball in runs scored, we've seen a trend developing where the lineup is very top heavy when it comes to guys who can drive in runs. Vivas doesn't project as that guy, while Gleyber could be. |
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Post by qimqam on Jul 4, 2024 9:20:55 GMT -5
The Yankee 1-3 have the hghest OBP in the MLB (Judge and Soto 1 and 2 respectively)
The Yankee cleanup hitters are the worst in the MLB this season with a .206 batting avg and the lowest OPS in the MLB
Verdugo and Gleyber, sharing most of the cleanup duties, each had opportunities to have career RBI years but instead completely bombed the 1st half of 2024
It's actually incredible that both of them would be such a disaster in their walk years ... unheard of perfect storm type shit !!
If either of them had just had their average season, the Yankees would easily be in 1st place
If both of them just had their average season he Yankees would have the best offense and best record in the MLB
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 4, 2024 9:22:33 GMT -5
The Yankee 1-3 have the hghest OPS in the MLB (Judge and Soto 1 and 2 respectively) The Yankee cleanup hitters are the worst in the MLB this season with a .206 batting avg and the lowest OPS in the MLB Verdugo and Gleyber, sharing most of the cleanup duties, each had opportunities to have career RBI years but instead completely bombed the 1st half of 2024 It's actually incredible that both of them would be such a disaster in their walk years ... unheard of perfect storm type shit !! If either of them had just had their average season, the Yankees would easily be in 1st place If both of them just had their average season he Yankees would have the best offense and best record in the MLB This is why I can't give up on this team. They don't need some of these players to be superstars just be league average... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 10, 2024 10:08:08 GMT -5
I thought I would create this thread to capture discussion on what we might do between now and the TDL. In recent years it seems with the expanded playoff format there has been more buyers than sellers and players are expensive. I don't think the Yankees make a big trade but I think they may bring in a BP arm or two and perhaps a platoon infielder.
Today the Yankees signed LH RP Tim Maza to a minor league deal. He's 32 years old and this season has an 8.03 ERA and a 1.946 WHIP. He was designated fro asignment last week by the Jays.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 10, 2024 10:15:20 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 10, 2024 10:27:15 GMT -5
Robertson has had an amazing career and he's still striking guys out. |
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Post by noetsi on Jul 10, 2024 10:59:47 GMT -5
I think we will do very little. Cashman rarely makes big changes at the deadline.
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