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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 11:44:13 GMT -5
As far as I know, we don't know the context of his statement. Did he actually say something like "no way...I'm not moving to 3B". Highly doubtful...sounds to me like yet another NY press exaggerated sound bite. That said...he doesn't owe the Yankees or the "fans" a damn thing. If I got the quote right, he said “I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Pretty succinct. By now he and Boone have probably had further discussion to put the subject to bed. Sadly, initial reactions aren’t always the best ones… There’s a lot expected for just a few million bucks a year…I worked for a company where every word and every action were scrutinized, too. It’s not fun… “I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Yes, it is succinct...and true. So? Again...did he say anything like "no way I'd give 3B a shot"? "Fans Rage At Torres For Resisting Jazz Chisholm Plan"
Really? IMO classic click bait...but any fan who "rages" at Gleyber's desire to stay at 2B needs psychological help. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 29, 2024 11:47:56 GMT -5
o I can understand Gleyber having a negative reaction to a sudden move to third base, but he shouldn’t have let it get out into the press. Yet I can understand that he did under current circumstances, too. Here he is, in his walk year. He’s off to a horrid start, which extends all the way through the first half. Finally, he starts to hit. He can finally relax a bit, maybe even regain hope that the Yanks will sign him to a fair contract when another potential 2B gets traded for, spiking frustrations again. I’ve never felt worse for the guy…We now owe it to him to trade him somewhere…Sad… As far as I know, we don't know the context of his statement. Did he actually say something like "no way...I'm not moving to 3B". Highly doubtful...sounds to me like yet another NY press exaggerated sound bite. That said...he doesn't owe the Yankees or the "fans" a damn thing. As usual, the media left out the entire quote and only focused on what would make a great headline. Gleyber said this right after the "I'm a second baseman" quote. "We had a conversation. Everything is still on the table," Torres said. "I think in a couple of days, I'm going to take some grounders at third, just in case, [so] I'm just kind of ready for anything." abcnews.go.com/Sports/yankees-jazz-chisholm-jr-open-3b-gleyber-torres/story?id=112370674 |
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Post by inger on Jul 29, 2024 11:49:35 GMT -5
If I got the quote right, he said “I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Pretty succinct. By now he and Boone have probably had further discussion to put the subject to bed. Sadly, initial reactions aren’t always the best ones… There’s a lot expected for just a few million bucks a year…I worked for a company where every word and every action were scrutinized, too. It’s not fun… “I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Yes, it is succinct...and true. So? Again...did he say anything like "no way I'd give 3B a shot"? "Fans Rage At Torres For Resisting Jazz Chisholm Plan"
Really? IMO classic click bait...but any fan who "rages" at Gleyber's desire to stay at 2B needs psychological help. On the one hand, if he plays a bit of third and looks good there, he increases his value. If he plays poorly there or stops hitting again… he reduces his value. It’s a gamble… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 11:50:36 GMT -5
As usual, the media left out the entire quote and only focused on what would make a great headline. Gleyber said this right after the "I'm a second baseman" quote. "We had a conversation. Everything is still on the table," Torres said. "I think in a couple of days, I'm going to take some grounders at third, just in case, [so] I'm just kind of ready for anything." abcnews.go.com/Sports/yankees-jazz-chisholm-jr-open-3b-gleyber-torres/story?id=112370674Thanks...typical. Maybe that will soothe some of the "rage" fans are feeling. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 29, 2024 11:58:11 GMT -5
As far as I know, we don't know the context of his statement. Did he actually say something like "no way...I'm not moving to 3B". Highly doubtful...sounds to me like yet another NY press exaggerated sound bite. That said...he doesn't owe the Yankees or the "fans" a damn thing. As usual, the media left out the entire quote and only focused on what would make a great headline. Gleyber said this right after the "I'm a second baseman" quote. "We had a conversation. Everything is still on the table," Torres said. "I think in a couple of days, I'm going to take some grounders at third, just in case, [so] I'm just kind of ready for anything." abcnews.go.com/Sports/yankees-jazz-chisholm-jr-open-3b-gleyber-torres/story?id=112370674OK, that clears things up for me and changes my opinion. |
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Post by inger on Jul 29, 2024 11:58:59 GMT -5
As usual, the media left out the entire quote and only focused on what would make a great headline. Gleyber said this right after the "I'm a second baseman" quote. "We had a conversation. Everything is still on the table," Torres said. "I think in a couple of days, I'm going to take some grounders at third, just in case, [so] I'm just kind of ready for anything." abcnews.go.com/Sports/yankees-jazz-chisholm-jr-open-3b-gleyber-torres/story?id=112370674Thanks...typical. Maybe that will soothe some of the "rage" fans are feeling. I’m going to break all my toys in anger…🤓 |
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Post by Max on Jul 29, 2024 12:01:52 GMT -5
If I got the quote right, he said “I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Pretty succinct. By now he and Boone have probably had further discussion to put the subject to bed. Sadly, initial reactions aren’t always the best ones… There’s a lot expected for just a few million bucks a year…I worked for a company where every word and every action were scrutinized, too. It’s not fun… “I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Yes, it is succinct...and true. So? Again...did he say anything like "no way I'd give 3B a shot"? "Fans Rage At Torres For Resisting Jazz Chisholm Plan"
Really? IMO classic click bait...but any fan who "rages" at Gleyber's desire to stay at 2B needs psychological help. I wonder if some of those so called fans are the some of same fans that booed Judge in the post season after a regular season where he hit 62 HRs. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 12:04:55 GMT -5
“I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Yes, it is succinct...and true. So? Again...did he say anything like "no way I'd give 3B a shot"? "Fans Rage At Torres For Resisting Jazz Chisholm Plan"
Really? IMO classic click bait...but any fan who "rages" at Gleyber's desire to stay at 2B needs psychological help. I wonder if some of those so called fans are the some of same fans that booed Judge in the post season after a regular season where he hit 62 HRs. As a lifelong, dyed-in-the-wool Yankee fan, that's the kind of garbage that makes me question my allegiance. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 29, 2024 12:10:00 GMT -5
The Yankees are firm deadline buyers, but they’ve also been discussing left-hander Nestor Cortes with other teams, reports Jon Heyman of the New York Post. He adds an unexpected name to the starting pitching market — presumably one for whom the Yankees would prefer to add big league talent. (Heyman adds that the Yankees have some interest in Cardinals utilityman Tommy Edman but does not go so far as to suggest the two sides have discussed a Cortes-for-Edman swap.)
On the one hand, it’s always a bit surprising to see a win-now club of this nature discuss an active member of its rotation in trades. On the other, the Yankees went down a similar path just wo years ago with another left-hander, Jordan Montgomery, when they traded him to the Cardinals in exchange for center fielder Harrison Bader.
At the time, Montgomery was a quality fourth option in a deep Yankees rotation but not one who was going to make the team’s postseason rotation. There’s similar context here. The Yankees could go with a postseason rotation including a combination of Gerrit Cole, Carlos Rodon, Marcus Stroman, Luis Gil and/or a returning Clarke Schmidt. There’s also the possibility that GM Brian Cashman adds a more impactful arm to the group before tomorrow’s deadline.
Cortes, 29, is in the midst of a generally solid season but has floundered of late. He’s pitched to a 4.13 ERA in 124 1/3 innings, striking out 22.5% of his opponents (right on par with league average) and issuing walks at a tiny 5% clip along the way. However, he’s run into a rough patch of late, failing to complete five innings in each of his past three starts and serving up a total of 15 runs over the course of 13 2/3 innings during that mini-slump.
Like Montgomery in 2022, Cortes is affordable ($3.95MM salary) and controlled for one additional year. A new team would be able to retain him for the 2025 season via arbitration. He’ll be owed a raise of some note but should still see his salary fall well shy of $10MM.
This hasn’t been Cortes’ best season, but he’s solidified himself as a quality big league starter — and taken a unique path to getting there. The Orioles selected Cortes out of the Yankees’ system in the 2017 Rule 5 Draft but designated him for assignment that April and returned him to the Yankees. Just 18 months later, Cortes was designated for assignment by the Yankees, this time getting traded to the Mariners for international bonus allotments. Things didn’t pan out in Seattle, and Cortes returned to the Yanks as a minor league free agent in the 2020-21 offseason.
Since returning to the Bronx, Cortes touts a 3.38 ERA in 439 innings. He’s entrenched himself into the New York rotation, but with their control over the lefty dwindling and a solid collection of alternative options on the big league roster, flipping Cortes for some big league help in the infield — be it Edman or any number of other infield options presently on the market — or an outfielder who could push Jazz Chisholm Jr. to second base more regularly could work to the Yankees’ benefit.
All that said, it’d be somewhat surprising if the Yankees moved Cortes and didn’t backfill the rotation with a different addition. Cole has only made seven starts after spending the first two months of the season on the injured list with an elbow issue. Gil looks to have recovered from a rough patch he hit in June, but he’s up to 107 1/3 innings after pitching only four innings last year while mending from Tommy John surgery. Schmidt has been on the injured list since late May due to a lat strain. Rodon, like Gil, hit a rough spot in June and has righted the ship of late — but his track record in New York is spotty, to put things lightly. Stroman’s results have been solid (3.64 ERA) but he’s sporting career-worst strikeout, walk and ground-ball rates (leading to a 5.22 FIP and 4.85 SIERA).
There’s some sense to moving Cortes to address needs in another area — but only if they’re also adding a starting pitcher who’d more concretely slot into a playoff rotation and make up the remainder of Cortes’ innings for the balance of the regular season. That’s a tricky tightrope to walk, but it’s one the Yankees have navigated in the very recent past.
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Post by bigjeep on Jul 29, 2024 12:16:04 GMT -5
As usual, the media left out the entire quote and only focused on what would make a great headline. Gleyber said this right after the "I'm a second baseman" quote. "We had a conversation. Everything is still on the table," Torres said. "I think in a couple of days, I'm going to take some grounders at third, just in case, [so] I'm just kind of ready for anything." abcnews.go.com/Sports/yankees-jazz-chisholm-jr-open-3b-gleyber-torres/story?id=112370674Thanks...typical. Maybe that will soothe some of the "rage" fans are feeling. I'm still Raged!   |
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Post by desousa on Jul 29, 2024 12:17:38 GMT -5
I see Ben Rice's name come up in trade rumors.
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Post by bigjeep on Jul 29, 2024 12:22:12 GMT -5
The Yankees are firm deadline buyers, but they’ve also been discussing left-hander Nestor Cortes with other teams, reports Jon Heyman of the New York Post. He adds an unexpected name to the starting pitching market — presumably one for whom the Yankees would prefer to add big league talent. (Heyman adds that the Yankees have some interest in Cardinals utilityman Tommy Edman but does not go so far as to suggest the two sides have discussed a Cortes-for-Edman swap.) On the one hand, it’s always a bit surprising to see a win-now club of this nature discuss an active member of its rotation in trades. On the other, the Yankees went down a similar path just wo years ago with another left-hander, Jordan Montgomery, when they traded him to the Cardinals in exchange for center fielder Harrison Bader. At the time, Montgomery was a quality fourth option in a deep Yankees rotation but not one who was going to make the team’s postseason rotation. There’s similar context here. The Yankees could go with a postseason rotation including a combination of Gerrit Cole, Carlos Rodon, Marcus Stroman, Luis Gil and/or a returning Clarke Schmidt. There’s also the possibility that GM Brian Cashman adds a more impactful arm to the group before tomorrow’s deadline. Cortes, 29, is in the midst of a generally solid season but has floundered of late. He’s pitched to a 4.13 ERA in 124 1/3 innings, striking out 22.5% of his opponents (right on par with league average) and issuing walks at a tiny 5% clip along the way. However, he’s run into a rough patch of late, failing to complete five innings in each of his past three starts and serving up a total of 15 runs over the course of 13 2/3 innings during that mini-slump. Like Montgomery in 2022, Cortes is affordable ($3.95MM salary) and controlled for one additional year. A new team would be able to retain him for the 2025 season via arbitration. He’ll be owed a raise of some note but should still see his salary fall well shy of $10MM. This hasn’t been Cortes’ best season, but he’s solidified himself as a quality big league starter — and taken a unique path to getting there. The Orioles selected Cortes out of the Yankees’ system in the 2017 Rule 5 Draft but designated him for assignment that April and returned him to the Yankees. Just 18 months later, Cortes was designated for assignment by the Yankees, this time getting traded to the Mariners for international bonus allotments. Things didn’t pan out in Seattle, and Cortes returned to the Yanks as a minor league free agent in the 2020-21 offseason. Since returning to the Bronx, Cortes touts a 3.38 ERA in 439 innings. He’s entrenched himself into the New York rotation, but with their control over the lefty dwindling and a solid collection of alternative options on the big league roster, flipping Cortes for some big league help in the infield — be it Edman or any number of other infield options presently on the market — or an outfielder who could push Jazz Chisholm Jr. to second base more regularly could work to the Yankees’ benefit. All that said, it’d be somewhat surprising if the Yankees moved Cortes and didn’t backfill the rotation with a different addition. Cole has only made seven starts after spending the first two months of the season on the injured list with an elbow issue. Gil looks to have recovered from a rough patch he hit in June, but he’s up to 107 1/3 innings after pitching only four innings last year while mending from Tommy John surgery. Schmidt has been on the injured list since late May due to a lat strain. Rodon, like Gil, hit a rough spot in June and has righted the ship of late — but his track record in New York is spotty, to put things lightly. Stroman’s results have been solid (3.64 ERA) but he’s sporting career-worst strikeout, walk and ground-ball rates (leading to a 5.22 FIP and 4.85 SIERA). There’s some sense to moving Cortes to address needs in another area — but only if they’re also adding a starting pitcher who’d more concretely slot into a playoff rotation and make up the remainder of Cortes’ innings for the balance of the regular season. That’s a tricky tightrope to walk, but it’s one the Yankees have navigated in the very recent past. "On the one hand, it’s always a bit surprising to see a win-now club of this nature discuss an active member of its rotation in trades. On the other, the Yankees went down a similar path just wo years ago with another left-hander, Jordan Montgomery, when they traded him to the Cardinals in exchange for center fielder Harrison Bader." The problem with the Yankees win now mentality, is they haven't won any thing since 2009! We never rebuild with young players, but trade them away for old Vets. If Soto walks, Its going to be a disaster. We just traded our No3 prospect plus two others away for a player that has never reached his potential and maybe never will! |
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Post by Max on Jul 29, 2024 12:31:32 GMT -5
I can't explain it, but for some reason I have a feeling that Cortes is going to get traded.
Is it just me? Or does anyone else think Cortes is going to get traded? If they trade any starter, it will be Nestor, not Gil. I've had that feeling too, but after tonight, perhaps no one will want him. I hope he does well, but he's looked bad on the road. And....Just like that... Cortes' name has been mentioned as a player the Yankees might trade. |
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Post by Max on Jul 29, 2024 12:34:53 GMT -5
I see Ben Rice's name come up in trade rumors. I'd like to see the Yankees keep him. But as with all trades, I can't judge the trade until I see what player(s) the Yankees traded for. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 29, 2024 12:37:07 GMT -5
If they trade any starter, it will be Nestor, not Gil. I've had that feeling too, but after tonight, perhaps no one will want him. I hope he does well, but he's looked bad on the road. And....Just like that... Cortes' name has been mentioned as a player the Yankees might trade. I'm not as big of a fan of Nestor as I once was. If he were moved for a good return I wouldn't lose sleep. |
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