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Post by rizzuto on Jul 28, 2024 14:50:54 GMT -5
Thought for awhile Colorado native David Bote was the answer at 3B. Unfortunately, Cubs eventually soured on him. Bote appears to have a utility man role now. Cubs had Patrick Wisdom playing third for a few years. Christopher Morel has been allowed to go through growing pains at third this season. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jul 28, 2024 14:55:27 GMT -5
The other two guys going back to the Rays are Hunter Bigge, a hard throwing righty-reliever who was mentioned as possibly taking the Cubs' closer role at some point. He has a FB averaging 98, a slider and a curve, and Ty Johnson, a starting pitcher in high A that the Cubs drafted in the 12th round last year. Longerhagen at Fangraphs had Bigge as the Cubs #33 prospect in May, but apparently, he's improved considerably. The Rays might be thinking of using him to replace Fairbacnks and Adam (who they also just traded) as their closer if they deal Fairbanks. Johnson was not on his top 45 list for the Cubs. The Rays have now traded away Eflin, Paredes, Arozarena, Adam and Phil Maton. Wow. I didn't realize that the Padres gave the Rays Dylan Lesko in the Adam deal. Typical Rays. Lesko was a regarded as the best pitcher available in the 2022 draft, but he torn is ACL and underwent TJ surgery. Despite the surgery, the Padres took him with the 15th pick. He was top 100 on both BA and MLB Pipeline as well as #109 at Fangraphs while recovering from the surgery before last year, before he'd even thrown a pitch, and was top 100 in those places, and top 100 in all three of those (#76 at Fangraphs) and Baseball Prospectus before this season. His control hasn't remotely comeback, and while he was expected to progress quickly this year, he was still in A-bal with a walk rate over 6 1/2 per 9 innings and an ERA of 6.46 at the time of the trade. I wouldn't bet against the Rays turning him into yet another cheap ace. The Rays have an amazing ability to reload, despite a low payroll and a ton of injuries. But, still no cigar for the alchemists in Tampa. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 28, 2024 14:56:45 GMT -5
Thought for awhile Colorado native David Bote was the answer at 3B. Unfortunately, Cubs eventually soured on him. Bote appears to have a utility man role now. Cubs had Patrick Wisdom playing third for a few years. Christopher Morel has been allowed to go through growing pains at third this season. Yep...they also tried Miles Mastrobuoni there for awhile. Of all 4 Bote is the best bat, and has always performed well at AAA Iowa. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Jul 28, 2024 15:03:46 GMT -5
Balls. Paredes was the only other bat I found appealing, plus he was young and at a position of need. I hate the Cubs.
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Jul 28, 2024 15:04:50 GMT -5
Would have loved to add Paredes. He's not a total game changer, but he's a good middle of the order bat with multiple years of control at a position in total disarray for us without a long term solution in the immediate pipeline. I just thought it would be a great fit.
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 28, 2024 15:26:59 GMT -5
Would have loved to add Paredes. He's not a total game changer, but he's a good middle of the order bat with multiple years of control at a position in total disarray for us without a long term solution in the immediate pipeline. I just thought it would be a great fit. If the Yankees offered a package centered around Spencer Jones, if the Rays would have took that over the Cubs offer. Morel teasing you with his talent but his only hitting .200 and is a poor defender. |
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Post by Max on Jul 29, 2024 10:43:13 GMT -5
They've been looking for a 3B with some pop for quite some time. Cub fan relatives had suggested they'd have interest in bring Gleyber back next year. Sounds like Gleyber wants no part of playing 3B. |
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Post by Max on Jul 29, 2024 10:44:20 GMT -5
Snell is the latest name to be linked to the Yankees. If so, with his contract I hope the Yankees don't trade too much for him. Snell had 15 strikeouts yesterday in just 6 innings. Just in time to increase his trade value.  |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 10:50:34 GMT -5
They've been looking for a 3B with some pop for quite some time. Cub fan relatives had suggested they'd have interest in bring Gleyber back next year. Sounds like Gleyber wants no part of playing 3B. Although he didn't specifically say that, it's certainly understandable that he wouldn't want to move at this point. If he's offered a nice contract once he's a FA with the understanding he'd be moved to 3B he might be be good with that. Give him the off-season to work on it...maybe some winter ball. |
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Post by Max on Jul 29, 2024 11:02:29 GMT -5
Sounds like Gleyber wants no part of playing 3B. Although he didn't specifically say that, it's certainly understandable that he wouldn't want to move at this point. If he's offered a nice contract once he's a FA with the understanding he'd be moved to 3B he might be be good with that. Give him the off-season to work on it...maybe some winter ball. From what I heard, he didn't like playing 3B when he was a prospect. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 11:10:34 GMT -5
Although he didn't specifically say that, it's certainly understandable that he wouldn't want to move at this point. If he's offered a nice contract once he's a FA with the understanding he'd be moved to 3B he might be be good with that. Give him the off-season to work on it...maybe some winter ball. From what I heard, he didn't like playing 3B when he was a prospect. He always saw himself as a SS. He played very little 3B as a prospect...even less 2B. My guess is he'd be more open to it now, with a nice contract as an incentive. |
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Post by inger on Jul 29, 2024 11:17:46 GMT -5
From what I heard, he didn't like playing 3B when he was a prospect. He always saw himself as a SS. He played very little 3B as a prospect...even less 2B. My guess is he'd be more open to it now, with a nice contract as an incentive. o I can understand Gleyber having a negative reaction to a sudden move to third base, but he shouldn’t have let it get out into the press. Yet I can understand that he did under current circumstances, too. Here he is, in his walk year. He’s off to a horrid start, which extends all the way through the first half. Finally, he starts to hit. He can finally relax a bit, maybe even regain hope that the Yanks will sign him to a fair contract when another potential 2B gets traded for, spiking frustrations again. I’ve never felt worse for the guy…We now owe it to him to trade him somewhere…Sad… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 29, 2024 11:26:15 GMT -5
He always saw himself as a SS. He played very little 3B as a prospect...even less 2B. My guess is he'd be more open to it now, with a nice contract as an incentive. o I can understand Gleyber having a negative reaction to a sudden move to third base, but he shouldn’t have let it get out into the press. Yet I can understand that he did under current circumstances, too. Here he is, in his walk year. He’s off to a horrid start, which extends all the way through the first half. Finally, he starts to hit. He can finally relax a bit, maybe even regain hope that the Yanks will sign him to a fair contract when another potential 2B gets traded for, spiking frustrations again. I’ve never felt worse for the guy…We now owe it to him to trade him somewhere…Sad… As far as I know, we don't know the context of his statement. Did he actually say something like "no way...I'm not moving to 3B". Highly doubtful...sounds to me like yet another NY press exaggerated sound bite. That said...he doesn't owe the Yankees or the "fans" a damn thing. |
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Post by inger on Jul 29, 2024 11:31:50 GMT -5
o I can understand Gleyber having a negative reaction to a sudden move to third base, but he shouldn’t have let it get out into the press. Yet I can understand that he did under current circumstances, too. Here he is, in his walk year. He’s off to a horrid start, which extends all the way through the first half. Finally, he starts to hit. He can finally relax a bit, maybe even regain hope that the Yanks will sign him to a fair contract when another potential 2B gets traded for, spiking frustrations again. I’ve never felt worse for the guy…We now owe it to him to trade him somewhere…Sad… As far as I know, we don't know the context of his statement. Did he actually say something like "no way...I'm not moving to 3B". Highly doubtful...sounds to me like yet another NY press exaggerated sound bite. That said...he doesn't owe the Yankees or the "fans" a damn thing. If I got the quote right, he said “I’m a second baseman. I play second.” Pretty succinct. By now he and Boone have probably had further discussion to put the subject to bed. Sadly, initial reactions aren’t always the best ones… There’s a lot expected for just a few million bucks a year…I worked for a company where every word and every action were scrutinized, too. It’s not fun… |
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Post by Max on Jul 29, 2024 11:35:55 GMT -5
Been down this road before Clipper. I don't care who was in Martin's doghouse, there have been many players there. At least one I know of is in the Hall of Fame. The Yankees also didn't need any help that season since they were basically a lock to win the AL East. So...The answer is the same... The Yankees traded good prospects especially McGregor and Martinez for players that were no longer on the Yankees roster a couple of years after that trade. The trade was made in 1976, Alexander and Jackson weren't with the Yankee in 1977, and Holtzman pitched 71. 2 inning for the Yankees in 1977 and 17.2 inning for the Yankees in 1978. Holzman's Yankee career ERA is 4.64.
Meanwhile...McGregor was an Ace his first 5 full seasons with the Orioles. With the help of Dempsey, Martinez and McGregor the Orioles went on to the world series in 1979 and won the world series in 1983. Meanwhile the Yankees could have used those players in 1981. The Orioles-Yankees trade was made on June 15, 1976, with Pitchers starter Doyle Alexander (10-5) and veteran Reliever Grant Jackson (6-0) involved in the deal. Both pitchers would leave the team in the fall of 1976, Alexander to due MLB Free Agency, signing with the Texas Rangers and Grant Jackson loss in the AL Expansion team player draft by the new Seattle Mariners. Doyle Alexander wanted a player contract clause that he would pitch every 5 days, Yankees GM Gabe Paul rejected the contract ideal by his agent Jerry Kapstein. Trying to win a World Series championship with starting shortstop Jim Mason wasn't ideal, hence the Bucky Dent trade with the White Sox was made on April 5, 1977. As for Ken Holtzman, another case of Billy Martin's dog house mentality towards his pitchers, even fellow starter Catfish Hunter was stunned by his actions. Also in May of 1976, another one of Martin' doghouse creatures Pitcher Larry Gura was traded to the Royals for Reserve Catcher Fran Healy. As with the McGregor trade, the Gura trade was another bad trade. He's another player that the Yankees could have used when they played the Royals in the 1980 playoffs and when they played the Dodgers in the 1981 world seires. |
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