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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 4, 2024 19:42:29 GMT -5
Yes, it was, and Elway did not take it well. It cost Stanford a bowl invitation and meant Elway never played in a bowl game in his college career. Although he seemed to recover in time for the NFL. Almost a Yankee remember. One season at Oneonta. The trombone that got mangled during the play is on display at the College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta. Elway swore he'd never play for Colts/Frank Kush but they drafted him anyway. They'd worked out a pre-draft trade for Broncos to draft OL Chris Hinton. Worked out well for Broncos. My memory of Kush is that he was one tough guy to play for. Hard to fault Elway the way things turned out. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 4, 2024 19:56:15 GMT -5
Elway swore he'd never play for Colts/Frank Kush but they drafted him anyway. They'd worked out a pre-draft trade for Broncos to draft OL Chris Hinton. Worked out well for Broncos. My memory of Kush is that he was one tough guy to play for. Hard to fault Elway the way things turned out. Remember when Elway played minor league baseball for the Yankees? Probably a ploy to get the colts to trade him. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 4, 2024 19:58:54 GMT -5
My memory of Kush is that he was one tough guy to play for. Hard to fault Elway the way things turned out. Remember when Elway played minor league baseball for the Yankees? Probably a ploy to get the colts to trade him. That's exactly what it was... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 4, 2024 20:42:00 GMT -5
My memory of Kush is that he was one tough guy to play for. Hard to fault Elway the way things turned out. Remember when Elway played minor league baseball for the Yankees? Probably a ploy to get the colts to trade him. Short season A ball at Oneonta of the old New York-Penn League. As close to Cooperstown as Elway got. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jan 5, 2024 10:41:16 GMT -5
Remember when Elway played minor league baseball for the Yankees? Probably a ploy to get the colts to trade him. Short season A ball at Oneonta of the old New York-Penn League. As close to Cooperstown as Elway got. Colts fan all my life, I never forgave Elway for not signing although I understood it. Robert Irsay was the owner back then and he was a real jerk. He had a drinking problem and really treated people badly. Elway's Dad was a college Coach and he did not like Kush. Ironically, IIRC Kush was fired the next year. |
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Post by Max on Jan 5, 2024 14:08:32 GMT -5
I didn't know that. That was a great idea to put the trombone in the College Football Hall Of Fame. Hard to believe that game was so long ago. Time really does fly even when Harold Lloyd is hanging on to one of the clock's hands.  Hey there my brother, I'm always glad when somebody recognizes Harold Lloyd. One of my favorites! The Babe was in one of his movies, "Speedy." And let me return the compliment in that it's wonderful to see Andy Pettitte glaring over his glove again. I knew that was Harold Lloyd because my Dad was a silent movie fan, he especially liked Charlie Chaplin. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 5, 2024 14:21:56 GMT -5
Hey there my brother, I'm always glad when somebody recognizes Harold Lloyd. One of my favorites! The Babe was in one of his movies, "Speedy." And let me return the compliment in that it's wonderful to see Andy Pettitte glaring over his glove again. I knew that was Harold Lloyd because my Dad was a silent movie fan, he especially liked Charlie Chaplin. Love them both with Buster Keaton my favorite. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 5, 2024 14:29:02 GMT -5
Short season A ball at Oneonta of the old New York-Penn League. As close to Cooperstown as Elway got. Colts fan all my life, I never forgave Elway for not signing although I understood it. Robert Irsay was the owner back then and he was a real jerk. He had a drinking problem and really treated people badly. Elway's Dad was a college Coach and he did not like Kush. Ironically, IIRC Kush was fired the next year. Eli Manning did much the same thing with the SD Chargers as Elway did re the Colts. Chargers & Giants had a pre-draft deal in which Chargers would draft Manning (who didn't want to play for them) and Giants drafted Phillip Rivers, then swapped QBs. Like you re Elway, my brother (a huge SD Chargers fan) never "forgave" Manning...to put it mildly. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Jan 5, 2024 14:54:01 GMT -5
I knew that was Harold Lloyd because my Dad was a silent movie fan, he especially liked Charlie Chaplin. Love them both with Buster Keaton my favorite. Harold Lloyd, a pair of glasses and a smile! |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 5, 2024 15:27:22 GMT -5
Colts fan all my life, I never forgave Elway for not signing although I understood it. Robert Irsay was the owner back then and he was a real jerk. He had a drinking problem and really treated people badly. Elway's Dad was a college Coach and he did not like Kush. Ironically, IIRC Kush was fired the next year. Eli Manning did much the same thing with the SD Chargers as Elway did re the Colts. Chargers & Giants had a pre-draft deal in which Chargers would draft Manning (who didn't want to play for them) and Giants drafted Phillip Rivers, then swapped QBs. Like you re Elway, my brother (a huge SD Chargers fan) never "forgave" Manning...to put it mildly. Leaving the best QB in the draft class to fall to the Steelers.  |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 5, 2024 15:53:02 GMT -5
Eli Manning did much the same thing with the SD Chargers as Elway did re the Colts. Chargers & Giants had a pre-draft deal in which Chargers would draft Manning (who didn't want to play for them) and Giants drafted Phillip Rivers, then swapped QBs. Like you re Elway, my brother (a huge SD Chargers fan) never "forgave" Manning...to put it mildly. Leaving the best QB in the draft class to fall to the Steelers. Yep. And the Elway/Colts/Broncos/Manning family connection is interesting. Archie Manning didn't want Eli to go to the Chargers because he felt they'd been negligent in helping Ryan Leaf deal with his "problems". Leaf had been #2 pick behind Peyton, who eventually left the Colts, the team Elway had refused to play for, to replace him with the Broncos. |
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Post by desousa on Jan 5, 2024 15:55:18 GMT -5
I knew that was Harold Lloyd because my Dad was a silent movie fan, he especially liked Charlie Chaplin. Love them both with Buster Keaton my favorite. Buster Keaton was my favorite, too. Jackie Chan said Keaton was his idol. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 5, 2024 16:10:12 GMT -5
I knew that was Harold Lloyd because my Dad was a silent movie fan, he especially liked Charlie Chaplin. Love them both with Buster Keaton my favorite. Chaplin, Keaton, Lloyd were all great and their work still holds up well. My favorite Chaplin film is "City Lights." My favorite Keaton film is "Seven Chances." My favorite Lloyd film is "The Freshman." I watch movies by all three of them to this day, and they were all creative geniuses. And you know one thing they all have in common? They were all mentored or brought into the movie business by Fatty Arbuckle. Arbuckle was too early for feature films, so he did a lot of shorts, and they are hilarious. Yes, there was the scandal with the alleged rape for which Arbuckle was acquitted and he was actually back making films after being banned for a few years -- he even did a few talking shorts -- but with all of these guys, their work in talking films was vastly inferior to their silent films. Two very different art forms. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 5, 2024 16:16:17 GMT -5
Love them both with Buster Keaton my favorite. Harold Lloyd, a pair of glasses and a smile! You've got it! I used to watch those made-for-TV versions of Harold's work in the late 70s-early 80s on PBS. They were fun. And that song resonates with the catchy tune -- "Hooray for Harold Lloyd." When we lived in LA, my wife and I met Suzanne Lloyd, Harold's grand-daughter and keeper of his flame. She did an introduction to his film "Speedy" that included an orchestra performing the original score from the 1928 movie, his last silent film. She was such a doll and just worshipped her grandfather. She even showed some home movies he had done with her as a small child and some he had done with his own father, who was a scream and a lot like Harold. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Jan 5, 2024 18:25:07 GMT -5
Harold Lloyd, a pair of glasses and a smile! You've got it! I used to watch those made-for-TV versions of Harold's work in the late 70s-early 80s on PBS. They were fun. And that song resonates with the catchy tune -- "Hooray for Harold Lloyd." When we lived in LA, my wife and I met Suzanne Lloyd, Harold's grand-daughter and keeper of his flame. She did an introduction to his film "Speedy" that included an orchestra performing the original score from the 1928 movie, his last silent film. She was such a doll and just worshipped her grandfather. She even showed some home movies he had done with her as a small child and some he had done with his own father, who was a scream and a lot like Harold. The PBS show was great! He was an amazing physical comedian, among the very best. I've always thought he was an elite silent film comic, same level as Chaplin and Keaton. |
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