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Post by desousa on Dec 6, 2023 8:45:45 GMT -5
Yikes!
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Dec 6, 2023 9:14:00 GMT -5
He's an MLB average hitter from the left side. That doesn't sound like much, but unless an older Rizzo bounces back after an injury-plagued and ineffective year and/or Dominguez returns at full strength right away from a serious injury that others have struggled with to start then we don't have a single MLB average lefty hitter on the entire roster. So it's hard for me to really criticize this move on its own merits. It's a solid addition in a vacuum.
The downside or questioning of this move has to be whether it's being done as a cheaper substitute for more substantial upgrades. Based on Dominguez likely not picking right where he left off after injury, the inevitability of Stanton missing significant time, and the risk that Rizzo might be washed up... I still feel there would be room for both Soto and Bellinger after this deal. If we added both of them, we'd start the year with...
C Wells/Trevino
1B Rizzo
2B Torres
3B DJ
SS Volpe
LF Soto
CF Bellinger
RF Judge
DH Stanton
Verdugo is a bench player there, but he's the backup at all 3 OF spots, DH and 1B (even if indirectly because Bellinger can slide to 1B and Judge can moonlight in CF). And as soon as Stanton has his inevitable IL stint or if Rizzo is injured and/or ineffective, Verdugo becomes an everyday player.
Dominguez will be back midseason which makes things even more crowded, but just knowing our luck someone is bound to be hurt and it's probably unrealistic to think Dominguez is going to be great right away anyway.
Not saying we necessarily will land both Soto/Bellinger, but just that I don't feel this move should rule that out.
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Dec 6, 2023 9:20:07 GMT -5
With a guy like this, hopefully you get the contract year best behavior version. Someone who's shown tendencies like this in the past would be a horrible bet to give a long-term deal to, but for guys heading into free agency sometimes you get the best version of them even if only for selfish reasons. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Dec 6, 2023 9:28:41 GMT -5
I don't "hate" this because there has been times Verdugo has come to Yankee stadium and completely destroyed the Yankees we know he plays well here, but my concerns are basically what the above post says that you can't say Verdugo is the move and then not get Bellinger/Soto. If they get one of them then this doesn't look as bad but if they get neither I don't see how Verdugo is going to bring this lineup to the next level. Hes def better than the Jake Bauers of the world but the Yankees need a superstar not slightly above average ceiling players.
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 6, 2023 9:32:40 GMT -5
He's an MLB average hitter from the left side. That doesn't sound like much, but unless an older Rizzo bounces back after an injury-plagued and ineffective year and/or Dominguez returns at full strength right away from a serious injury that others have struggled with to start then we don't have a single MLB average lefty hitter on the entire roster. So it's hard for me to really criticize this move on its own merits. It's a solid addition in a vacuum. The downside or questioning of this move has to be whether it's being done as a cheaper substitute for more substantial upgrades. Based on Dominguez likely not picking right where he left off after injury, the inevitability of Stanton missing significant time, and the risk that Rizzo might be washed up... I still feel there would be room for both Soto and Bellinger after this deal. If we added both of them, we'd start the year with... C Wells/Trevino 1B Rizzo 2B Torres 3B DJ SS Volpe LF Soto CF Bellinger RF Judge DH Stanton Verdugo is a bench player there, but he's the backup at all 3 OF spots, DH and 1B (even if indirectly because Bellinger can slide to 1B and Judge can moonlight in CF). And as soon as Stanton has his inevitable IL stint or if Rizzo is injured and/or ineffective, Verdugo becomes an everyday player. Dominguez will be back midseason which makes things even more crowded, but just knowing our luck someone is bound to be hurt and it's probably unrealistic to think Dominguez is going to be great right away anyway. Not saying we necessarily will land both Soto/Bellinger, but just that I don't feel this move should rule that out. Hey, welcome to the board!  If anyone would have a solid opinion on Verdugo, it would be a Yankee fan in Boston!. One positive about Verdugo, he is a career .281 hitter. The Yankees has so many sub .240 hitters last season, it would be nice to see some more guys that can hit for average. Great lineup have a combination of power, on base guys and hitters that hit for average. The Yankees need to get back to that. |
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Post by inger on Dec 6, 2023 9:45:13 GMT -5
A good way to look at it. I think it’s wise to have a back up plan in the event that we don’t get Soto. You never know. If we do get Soto, Verdugo does give us a capable late inning defender, as well as a left fielder if (when?) Stanton goes down for 40 games or so and Soto can DH. The man the Red Sox wanted in the Mookie Betts deal. Maybe pinstripes is what he needs to motivate him… |
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Post by inger on Dec 6, 2023 9:48:36 GMT -5
He's an MLB average hitter from the left side. That doesn't sound like much, but unless an older Rizzo bounces back after an injury-plagued and ineffective year and/or Dominguez returns at full strength right away from a serious injury that others have struggled with to start then we don't have a single MLB average lefty hitter on the entire roster. So it's hard for me to really criticize this move on its own merits. It's a solid addition in a vacuum. The downside or questioning of this move has to be whether it's being done as a cheaper substitute for more substantial upgrades. Based on Dominguez likely not picking right where he left off after injury, the inevitability of Stanton missing significant time, and the risk that Rizzo might be washed up... I still feel there would be room for both Soto and Bellinger after this deal. If we added both of them, we'd start the year with... C Wells/Trevino 1B Rizzo 2B Torres 3B DJ SS Volpe LF Soto CF Bellinger RF Judge DH Stanton Verdugo is a bench player there, but he's the backup at all 3 OF spots, DH and 1B (even if indirectly because Bellinger can slide to 1B and Judge can moonlight in CF). And as soon as Stanton has his inevitable IL stint or if Rizzo is injured and/or ineffective, Verdugo becomes an everyday player. Dominguez will be back midseason which makes things even more crowded, but just knowing our luck someone is bound to be hurt and it's probably unrealistic to think Dominguez is going to be great right away anyway. Not saying we necessarily will land both Soto/Bellinger, but just that I don't feel this move should rule that out. A hardy “welcome” to the forum. I enjoyed this excellent post (though after I wrote mine with some similar thoughts… |
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Post by inger on Dec 6, 2023 9:49:22 GMT -5
With a guy like this, hopefully you get the contract year best behavior version. Someone who's shown tendencies like this in the past would be a horrible bet to give a long-term deal to, but for guys heading into free agency sometimes you get the best version of them even if only for selfish reasons. And it’s back to back excellent posts to start your “career” here! .. . |
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Post by inger on Dec 6, 2023 9:53:00 GMT -5
I don't "hate" this because there has been times Verdugo has come to Yankee stadium and completely destroyed the Yankees we know he plays well here, but my concerns are basically what the above post says that you can't say Verdugo is the move and then not get Bellinger/Soto. If they get one of them then this doesn't look as bad but if they get neither I don't see how Verdugo is going to bring this lineup to the next level. Hes def better than the Jake Bauers of the world but the Yankees need a superstar not slightly above average ceiling players. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I may be in the minority here, but I like Verdugo. He fields/throws well, runs better than average. Can take advantage of the power field in RF. I was disappointed when I heard of his benchings, but then I thought of Nick Swisher having fallen out of favor with Guillen in Chicago, and I thought… until he screws up here, you put that bin the past… |
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Post by kaybli on Dec 6, 2023 9:59:24 GMT -5
With a guy like this, hopefully you get the contract year best behavior version. Someone who's shown tendencies like this in the past would be a horrible bet to give a long-term deal to, but for guys heading into free agency sometimes you get the best version of them even if only for selfish reasons. Welcome to the board yankeefaninboston! |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Dec 6, 2023 13:44:22 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyd46 on Dec 6, 2023 13:58:56 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like they expect Dominguez back for most of the year then
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Post by Renfield on Dec 6, 2023 14:38:45 GMT -5
He's better than the Franchy Corderos, Billy McKinneys and Jake Bauers we put forth last year. But that's all I got. Hope this pans out, but color me skeptical.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Dec 6, 2023 14:39:36 GMT -5
He's better than the Franchy Corderos, Billy McKinneys and Jake Bauers we put forth last year. But that's all I got. Hope this pans out, but color me skeptical. Yes this is the best view to take Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by inger on Dec 6, 2023 14:46:41 GMT -5
With a guy like this, hopefully you get the contract year best behavior version. Someone who's shown tendencies like this in the past would be a horrible bet to give a long-term deal to, but for guys heading into free agency sometimes you get the best version of them even if only for selfish reasons. Welcome to the board yankeefaninboston! Hmm. I’m feeling jealous. I don’t remember the last time you welcomed me… 🤓 |
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