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Post by rizzuto on Mar 25, 2024 8:12:33 GMT -5
Like Chi said before, what will he have the surgery on? There's no tear detected. The Yankees’ medical staff has certainly not engendered much confidence over the years. At this point and with what has been reported, Cole is the final decision maker. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 25, 2024 8:16:02 GMT -5
Just another example of click bait. While there is always a possibility that he will end up with surgery there is nothing at this point to support these conclusions. I hate when others speculate when they have no records or information. This is just bad reporting. My only point is if the surgery was inevitable there is no reason to put it off and yet based on exams from several professionals this was not the conclusion but I guess some reporter from ESPN and the opinions of outsiders know better. I have not watched ESPN in years. They are just awful. Such a sad erosion for what used to be fantastic. |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 25, 2024 9:17:41 GMT -5
Two surgeons have come to the conclusion that Cole shouldn't have the surgery right now and I don't even know what he would have surgery on since there's isn't a tear. . I recall a report a fews years back that said High school and college players were having TJS just to get it over with and to come back stronger sooner then later How many people really think this was a good idea? Performing surgeries on high school kids because of what you might think happens in the future. Did these kid's parents even know that some people end up needing TJ surgery more than once? |
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 25, 2024 9:19:42 GMT -5
Just another example of click bait. While there is always a possibility that he will end up with surgery there is nothing at this point to support these conclusions. I hate when others speculate when they have no records or information. This is just bad reporting. My only point is if the surgery was inevitable there is no reason to put it off and yet based on exams from several professionals this was not the conclusion but I guess some reporter from ESPN and the opinions of outsiders know better. I have not watched ESPN in years. They are just awful. Such a sad erosion for what used to be fantastic. I watch because they televise so many games, especially college football & basketball, but I agree with you, the rest of their programing is garbage. |
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Post by ypaterson on Mar 25, 2024 9:21:30 GMT -5
If true, you're right. I just don't trust the Yankees on their medical announcements. The Yankees’ medical staff has certainly not engendered much confidence over the years. At this point and with what has been reported, Cole is the final decision maker. Does the fact that this is the "opt out" year for Cole factor in to his decisions ? I am not sure how it plays, but it could be a factor. |
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Post by qimqam on Mar 25, 2024 11:56:56 GMT -5
The Yankees’ medical staff has certainly not engendered much confidence over the years. At this point and with what has been reported, Cole is the final decision maker. Does the fact that this is the "opt out" year for Cole factor in to his decisions ? I am not sure how it plays, but it could be a factor. Almost no chance hes opting out now If he pitches half this season it likely wont be great and if he goes for surgery ... no one will give him a long term contract |
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Post by Max on Mar 25, 2024 14:08:16 GMT -5
Two surgeons have come to the conclusion that Cole shouldn't have the surgery right now and I don't even know what he would have surgery on since there's isn't a tear. Exactly, unlike Tanaka. Tanaka had a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. |
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Post by Max on Mar 25, 2024 14:19:59 GMT -5
The only thing I can say in retort is Masahiro Tanaka. There are exceptions to every rule. I think it’s worth the chance to do a wait and see first. Cole is not a young pitcher anymore. Missing a season could be a waste of what time that power arm has left. I was thinking about the mileage on his arm last season and the odds against continued health, but I was reticent to say anything for having it come true. It did anyway… I should have just said it… Tanaka's best season was his rookie season before the injury ... he was dominant with a low 2 era up to that point ... He was a good pitcher after the injury ~ 4 era the rest of his Yankee career but far from dominant. Would he have regained dominance if he had had the surgery ??? We'll never know. But we dont need Cole to pitch to a 4 ERA the rest of his contract And if we wait and see if cole needs surgery and he does ... we lose another 2-3 months in 2025
Tanaka had a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. If I'm not mistaken he did eventually have surgery. |
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Post by inger on Mar 25, 2024 14:46:29 GMT -5
Just another example of click bait. While there is always a possibility that he will end up with surgery there is nothing at this point to support these conclusions. I hate when others speculate when they have no records or information. This is just bad reporting. My only point is if the surgery was inevitable there is no reason to put it off and yet based on exams from several professionals this was not the conclusion but I guess some reporter from ESPN and the opinions of outsiders know better. I have not watched ESPN in years. They are just awful. Such a sad erosion for what used to be fantastic. Strangely, although I haven’t watched it in years either, I also assume it to be dreadful. I suppose I should tune in one day just out of curiosity to confirm my opinion. Just for a little while… |
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Post by qimqam on Mar 25, 2024 16:25:50 GMT -5
Tanaka's best season was his rookie season before the injury ... he was dominant with a low 2 era up to that point ... He was a good pitcher after the injury ~ 4 era the rest of his Yankee career but far from dominant. Would he have regained dominance if he had had the surgery ??? We'll never know. But we dont need Cole to pitch to a 4 ERA the rest of his contract And if we wait and see if cole needs surgery and he does ... we lose another 2-3 months in 2025
Tanaka had a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. If I'm not mistaken he did eventually have surgery. No Tanak never had the surgery and he was never quite the same as he was prior to the injury |
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Post by qimqam on Mar 25, 2024 16:27:31 GMT -5
Two surgeons have come to the conclusion that Cole shouldn't have the surgery right now and I don't even know what he would have surgery on since there's isn't a tear. Exactly, unlike Tanaka. Tanaka had a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. Reinforcement surgery This procedure, rather than replacing or reconstructing the UCL using either a tendon from elsewhere in the patient's body or a donor tendon, instead the native UCL is repaired and reinforced by a strong tape-like suture material secure into both the humerus and ulna bones with plastic anchors. |
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Post by Max on Mar 25, 2024 17:20:22 GMT -5
Tanaka had a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow. If I'm not mistaken he did eventually have surgery. No Tanak never had the surgery and he was never quite the same as he was prior to the injury In 2014 Tanaka had a partial tear, in 2015 Tanaka had surgery to remove a bone spur in his elbow. His ERA went up, but overall Tanaka's stats don't back up the claim that he was never quite the same prior to his ligament injury. It's also not certain that his injury is to blame for the higher ERA, that could also be a product of MLB hitters getting to see him pitch more often. In 2017 and 2018 he had a higher K% than he did in 2014. In 2015 his WHIP was better than his WHIP in his 2014 season. Except for the shortened covid season, Tanaka made more starts and pitched more innings than he did in 2014. The bottom line, unlike Tanaka, Cole doesn't have a tear. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Mar 25, 2024 17:42:23 GMT -5
Just another example of click bait. While there is always a possibility that he will end up with surgery there is nothing at this point to support these conclusions. I hate when others speculate when they have no records or information. This is just bad reporting. My only point is if the surgery was inevitable there is no reason to put it off and yet based on exams from several professionals this was not the conclusion but I guess some reporter from ESPN and the opinions of outsiders know better. I have not watched ESPN in years. They are just awful. Such a sad erosion for what used to be fantastic. The great sportscaster like Vin Scully, Mel Allen and Curt Gowdy, is a thing of the past. Guys who made the game the most important thing. Now it seems all sport reporters want to be the star of the broadcast. Most, not all, are insufferable. |
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Post by ypaterson on Mar 25, 2024 17:49:23 GMT -5
I have not watched ESPN in years. They are just awful. Such a sad erosion for what used to be fantastic. Strangely, although I haven’t watched it in years either, I also assume it to be dreadful. I suppose I should tune in one day just out of curiosity to confirm my opinion. Just for a little while… Am I the only person amused that ESPN broke the sports betting story on Ohtani..and then went to a commercial for ESPB Bets ( espnbet.com/ ) afterwards ? |
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Post by inger on Mar 25, 2024 19:14:37 GMT -5
Strangely, although I haven’t watched it in years either, I also assume it to be dreadful. I suppose I should tune in one day just out of curiosity to confirm my opinion. Just for a little while… Am I the only person amused that ESPN broke the sports betting story on Ohtani..and then went to a commercial for ESPB Bets ( espnbet.com/ ) afterwards ? Like the George Carlin depiction of the sign on the church: Thursday night: Sermon on the evils of gambling Friday night: Bingo! … |
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