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Post by qimqam on Mar 24, 2024 14:15:04 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Mar 24, 2024 15:02:21 GMT -5
Sigh. Sigh for the Sigh Young Award winner… |
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Post by kaybli on Mar 24, 2024 15:56:40 GMT -5
Here's the relevant quote. Take it FWIW:
“I’ve asked folks with other teams who don’t have access to Gerrit Cole’s medical information, but they’ve seen this play out, and they know about … treatments and how players are dealt with and the language of these situations,” Olney reported on the “ESPN Baseball Tonight” podcast. “And every person I’ve asked said, ‘Oh, he’s headed to Tommy John surgery.’ Like there’s no doubt in their mind, OK? And again, they haven’t looked at a medical report, but they know the trajectory of pitchers with these situations.”
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 24, 2024 16:01:51 GMT -5
Two surgeons have come to the conclusion that Cole shouldn't have the surgery right now and I don't even know what he would have surgery on since there's isn't a tear.
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Post by inger on Mar 24, 2024 16:03:04 GMT -5
Here's the relevant quote. Take it FWIW:
“I’ve asked folks with other teams who don’t have access to Gerrit Cole’s medical information, but they’ve seen this play out, and they know about … treatments and how players are dealt with and the language of these situations,” Olney reported on the “ESPN Baseball Tonight” podcast. “And every person I’ve asked said, ‘Oh, he’s headed to Tommy John surgery.’ Like there’s no doubt in their mind, OK? And again, they haven’t looked at a medical report, but they know the trajectory of pitchers with these situations.”
The only thing I can say in retort is Masahiro Tanaka. There are exceptions to every rule. I think it’s worth the chance to do a wait and see first. Cole is not a young pitcher anymore. Missing a season could be a waste of what time that power arm has left. I was thinking about the mileage on his arm last season and the odds against continued health, but I was reticent to say anything for having it come true. It did anyway… I should have just said it… |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Mar 24, 2024 17:09:06 GMT -5
Not very surprising. I think I said a few weeks ago to watch as "Cole will miss Opening Day" turns into "Cole won't be back until after the All-Star Break" turns into "he needs Tommy John surgery after all".
If he waits to see if he can pitch by June or July, and then is forced to have TJ surgery after all, he not only misses all of 2024, but 2025 as well. If he had the surgery the moment he was diagnosed, he'd be back no later than mid-season next year.
I long ago lost my faith in medical status announcements by the Yankees. They don't deserve trust on this issue anymore.
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Post by chiyankee on Mar 24, 2024 17:16:35 GMT -5
I long ago lost my faith in medical status announcements by the Yankees. They don't deserve trust on this issue anymore.Cole felt the same way, which is why he went to L.A. and got a second opinion from and independent surgeon with no ties to the Yankees. This doctor came up with the same opinion, to not have surgery and rehabilitate the injury. |
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Post by kaybli on Mar 24, 2024 17:49:45 GMT -5
If he waits to see if he can pitch by June or July, and then is forced to have TJ surgery after all, he not only misses all of 2024, but 2025 as well. If he had the surgery the moment he was diagnosed, he'd be back no later than mid-season next year.
Like Chi said before, what will he have the surgery on? There's no tear detected. |
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Post by inger on Mar 24, 2024 19:17:01 GMT -5
If he waits to see if he can pitch by June or July, and then is forced to have TJ surgery after all, he not only misses all of 2024, but 2025 as well. If he had the surgery the moment he was diagnosed, he'd be back no later than mid-season next year.
Like Chi said before, what will he have the surgery on? There's no tear detected. The docs would have to remove and replace the tendon as though there was a tear, replacing it. A few years ago there was some controversy because insane high school fathers were cheating unethical doctors to “fix” their children’s arm in advance in hopes that Sonny boy would best the million or more odds and reach MLB without interrupting their upcoming Hall Of Fame careers… |
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Post by ypaterson on Mar 24, 2024 20:19:27 GMT -5
Like Chi said before, what will he have the surgery on? There's no tear detected. The docs would have to remove and replace the tendon as though there was a tear, replacing it. A few years ago there was some controversy because insane high school fathers were cheating unethical doctors to “fix” their children’s arm in advance in hopes that Sonny boy would best the million or more odds and reach MLB without interrupting their upcoming Hall Of Fame careers… I am not a doctor and did not stay at any hotel that makes you smarter....but I read articles on the internet that suggest "bracing" surgeries are now in use that could strengthen the UCL with less rehab. www.cincysportssurgeon.com/elbow-ucl-repair-internal-brace-sportsmedicine-orthopedic-surgeon.html |
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Post by Rockaway Park on Mar 24, 2024 20:45:59 GMT -5
If rest will "cure" it, shut him down until after the ASG. If anything can be done by a surgeon to "cure" it, do it now. I fear he'll get going too soon, and after a few weeks will blow his arm out.
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Post by qimqam on Mar 24, 2024 21:29:12 GMT -5
Two surgeons have come to the conclusion that Cole shouldn't have the surgery right now and I don't even know what he would have surgery on since there's isn't a tear. I'm not sure if that is true. The way I'm interpreting it is ... 2 surgeons said there isnt a tear and resting "might help". Not sure how true this is but ... I recall a report a fews years back that said High school and college players were having TJS just to get it over with and to come back stronger sooner then later I'm not sure that there has to be a tear to strengthen the ligament with surgery |
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Post by qimqam on Mar 24, 2024 21:38:50 GMT -5
Here's the relevant quote. Take it FWIW:
“I’ve asked folks with other teams who don’t have access to Gerrit Cole’s medical information, but they’ve seen this play out, and they know about … treatments and how players are dealt with and the language of these situations,” Olney reported on the “ESPN Baseball Tonight” podcast. “And every person I’ve asked said, ‘Oh, he’s headed to Tommy John surgery.’ Like there’s no doubt in their mind, OK? And again, they haven’t looked at a medical report, but they know the trajectory of pitchers with these situations.”
The only thing I can say in retort is Masahiro Tanaka. There are exceptions to every rule. I think it’s worth the chance to do a wait and see first. Cole is not a young pitcher anymore. Missing a season could be a waste of what time that power arm has left. I was thinking about the mileage on his arm last season and the odds against continued health, but I was reticent to say anything for having it come true. It did anyway… I should have just said it… Tanaka's best season was his rookie season before the injury ... he was dominant with a low 2 era up to that point ... He was a good pitcher after the injury ~ 4 era the rest of his Yankee career but far from dominant. Would he have regained dominance if he had had the surgery ??? We'll never know. But we dont need Cole to pitch to a 4 ERA the rest of his contract And if we wait and see if cole needs surgery and he does ... we lose another 2-3 months in 2025 |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Mar 25, 2024 2:41:23 GMT -5
If he waits to see if he can pitch by June or July, and then is forced to have TJ surgery after all, he not only misses all of 2024, but 2025 as well. If he had the surgery the moment he was diagnosed, he'd be back no later than mid-season next year.
Like Chi said before, what will he have the surgery on? There's no tear detected. |
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Post by bruner4329 on Mar 25, 2024 7:47:28 GMT -5
Just another example of click bait. While there is always a possibility that he will end up with surgery there is nothing at this point to support these conclusions. I hate when others speculate when they have no records or information. This is just bad reporting. My only point is if the surgery was inevitable there is no reason to put it off and yet based on exams from several professionals this was not the conclusion but I guess some reporter from ESPN and the opinions of outsiders know better.
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