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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:01:44 GMT -5
This determination is quite hard, almost impossible...
3rd star of the game: Stanton, surprisingly, because he had three great at bats, a ripped line drive to left that Benintendi had to make terrific diving catch on to keep from it being his 3rd extra base hit today, catching up to and fouling off back to back 95 mph FBs from a righty, and not one, but two, screaming mimis, launched to right center, one a double off the wall for a RBI, the other a solo HR. He looks all of a sudden 3-5 years younger. It might not last, but still great to see.
2nd star: Again, impossible choice, but Soto dominated again. 4 for 4 with a walk, two bazooka blast HRs at 112 and 110, two smashed singles, one for a 3rd RBI, at 107 and 110. And the only reason he isn't the first star is because he has games like this often, sooooo...
1st star: Luis Gil, who came in having pitched 3 great games in a row. He struggled with command in the first, giving up two hits and two walks, and then...as if someone flipped the Gil switch to "Pedro", absolutely dominated the rest of the way. In his final 5 innings innings, he stuck out 12 more guys, including 7 in a row at one point (Edit: just 69 pitches in those final five innings, despite striking out 12 batters). I know it's the White Sox, but still: 98 pitches, 6 innings, 5 hits, 1 earned run, just 1 BB and 14 K's. The game is a signature win; only starters with elite stuff strike out more than 12 guys while walking less than 3 in the same game. He now has enough innings, for the moment, to qualify for the ERA title, and passed his teammate Schmidt to move into 8th at 2.39.
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Post by chiyankee on May 18, 2024 15:02:17 GMT -5
I don't think they can change the rules until the next bargaining agreement, but if I'm Soto, I'm not taking a lot of deferred money. He doesn't make the endorsement revenue that Ohtani does. Yea I've kind of been surprised Soto doesn't have more branding since coming to ny. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ohtani does have an entire baseball made country behind him that has plenty of companies willing to hire him to endorse their products.
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Post by chiyankee on May 18, 2024 15:03:50 GMT -5
Pretty quick, CHI! You saved yourself from a "Wrong Thread Alert"! lol, yeah this gets difficult with multiple game threads active.
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Post by inger on May 18, 2024 15:05:06 GMT -5
Yea I've kind of been surprised Soto doesn't have more branding since coming to ny. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ohtani does have an entire baseball made country behind him that has plenty of companies willing to hire him to endorse their products. And he fits so perfectly in on the west coast, where Asian immigration has been naturally settling for many years…
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Post by chiyankee on May 18, 2024 15:08:04 GMT -5
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:08:19 GMT -5
Yanks move 1 1/2 up on the O's, at least until they play the middle game against the M's at Camden Yards, starting 5 minutes or so from now. Rays and Jays still 0-0 in the 4th in Toronto. Yanks keep pace with the winner of that one, gain another game on the loser. Sox are in St. Louis for their middle game tonight at about 7:15. I won't speculate on the standings after those game are over. Suffice it to say, the Yanks will wake up tomorrow for The Sunday Standings™ still in first place.
Yanks go for the sweep tomorrow at 1:37 pm on YES. Carlos Rodon 4-2 with a 3.31 ERA, and looking for his 3rd strong start in a row after the pasting he took from the O's in the 4th game at Camden Yards, pitches for the Yanks. Chris Flexen, who's been an up-and-down 3-3 with a 4.46 ERA, goes for the White Sox to try to avoid crashing out of their excellent play the last 3 weeks by getting swept at the Stadium.
Now going to check the remaining notifications I haven't seen yet.
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:09:30 GMT -5
Looking at the discussion of Soto's free agency vs. that of Ohtani, there are lots of, as my friend Mike from North Carolina likes to put it "good points all around the room". Excellent food for thought, guys, all of you.
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:11:39 GMT -5
Curve low on the outer 3rd, 1-0 Slider in the zone low/away, and Stanton inside outs it again deep to right, it carries out of the park. Solo HR makes it 5-1 Yanks!! Two extra base hits the other way is remarkable for Stanton. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I haven't "liked" all of these, but thanks for posting these HR memes, anthony. I mean I haven't click them a "like", but I still like them.
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Post by anthonyd46 on May 18, 2024 15:12:19 GMT -5
Looking at the discussion of Soto's free agency vs. that of Ohtani, there are lots of, as my friend Mike from North Carolina likes to put it "good points all around the room". Excellent food for thought, guys, all of you. I think it's good that Soto isn't letting it distract him and also seems to be open to talking to Cashman as well as Cashman being more open about this than he was with judge. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:14:04 GMT -5
Burns a FB above the knees outside middle at 96, 0-1 on Judge. Change starts outside corner, clips the knees outside middle, Judge behind the 8-ball here, 0-2 Slider bounced outside, Lee makes a terrific lunge to prevent a wild pitch, 1-2 Blows the FB by Judge at the top of the zone for the K. 2 down And that's why righties will DEFINITELY pitch around Soto with a base open to get to Judge. Judge simply has more holes to exploit. That was a smart sequence to Judge with great pitch placement. Yep, changed pitch selection, location and eye level with solid command. Makes you wonder how he pitched so poorly in rotation. But again, his stuff especially FB velocity, might be playing up in the bullpen, as with Luke Weaver.
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:15:04 GMT -5
Verdugo tries to jump a 1st pitch FB outside corner. Unfortunately it was a change and he popped it up to DeJong to end the inning. My guess is that Verdugo would love to see that same pitch again. Yeah, probably, but maybe, he might take that pitch because the location wasn't that great to go FB hunting, on the corner away.
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:34:23 GMT -5
Man on 1st, 1 out for FB FB up and in, popped out of play well behind the Yankee dugout. Swings over a slider low over the middle of the plate, 1-2 Slider away, popped to Judge in center, comes in a few steps, catches, 2 down. About Tommy John for the Hall of fame, I think he eventually gets in. On Baseball Reference, 8 of his top 10 comops are now in the Hall, and that's my favorite quick, dirty measuring tool to see whether a player should go in or not. Actually, looking at the list of top comps, it's actually nine out of ten in the hall, the lone exception being Tony Mullane, who did all of his pitching before 1900, so every 20th century pitcher on John's comp list is already in the Hall. Taking a closer look at John's candidacy... He fails 3 of the 4 Bill James measures for comparing players up for Hall membership to those that are already in, but one of the fails is a close fail, 44 on the Hall of Fame Standards for pitchers (50 or above is a "passing grade"). The best statistical argument against him is probably the Jaffee JAWS system, which has him as the 76th best starting pitcher of all-time, and of the pitchers around him on the list, 2 of the 10 above him are in the Hall, including Early Wynn, and just 3 of the 10 below him are in, including Whitey Ford. John was very good for a long time, and solid for a very long time, but simply doesn't have the "peak" of 5-10 great seasons usually associated with getting chosen for the Hall. His Jaws 7 number would be unusually low for a Hall of Famer, just 166th out of the top 500 pitchers on the list, the bottom 5 of which include Paul Splitorff, Mike Flanagan and Bill Gulllickson. All good pitchers who each had a couple of top seasons, but clearly not Hall of Famers. John had a much better career than any of them, but not so much better as to force the voters to elect him. It might take longer than I think for him to get in, but he has one unusual big factor in his favor: an unusual "innovator" credential: Frank Jobe invented ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction surgery for Tommy, but it took the desperate courage of John to volunteer to allow himself to be the guinea pig, to get it successfully done, and the perseverance to work through the lengthy rehab process and rebuild his big league career. Even though he had to change his approach substantially, going from a power lefty to a junkballing sinkerballing lefty with elite control, he eventually was as good or better than he ever was. As many careers of pitchers are still being crushed by arm injuries, and for as many of them who wind up needing that UCL reconstruction, some of them two or even three times, the attrition on major league starters because of the five and fly, throw as hard as you can for as long as you can, then turn it over to multiple relievers approach of the modern analytical game, the situation would be far worse without John's example. That's why the surgery has been informally named for Tommy John, and rightly so. That toughness, courage and perseverance changed the game forever, and for me, is decisive in terms of his Hall of Fame candidacy. I don't have a vote, but if I did, I'd vote Tommy John into the Hall, and I think somewhere down the road, some Veteran/Old Timers' Committee will eventually vote him in.
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:50:03 GMT -5
OK, notifications read, and several answered (including quoting and replying to myself about evaluating Tommy John for the Hall of Fame in perhaps too much detail), I think it's safe for me to get going for today.
See you guys tomorrow afternoon as the Yanks go for the sweep, and the Kni try to save the series against the Pacers at the Garden, which will start sometime around the 7th inning of the Yankee game. So I'll be keeping an eye on that as well.
I wish you all a great afternoon. Bye for now.
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Post by themartian on May 18, 2024 15:51:03 GMT -5
Man on 1st, 1 out for FB FB up and in, popped out of play well behind the Yankee dugout. Swings over a slider low over the middle of the plate, 1-2 Slider away, popped to Judge in center, comes in a few steps, catches, 2 down. About Tommy John for the Hall of fame, I think he eventually gets in. On Baseball Reference, 8 of his top 10 comops are now in the Hall, and that's my favorite quick, dirty measuring tool to see whether a player should go in or not. Actually, looking at the list of top comps, it's actually nine out of ten in the hall, the lone exception being Tony Mullane, who did all of his pitching before 1900, so every 20th century pitcher on John's comp list is already in the Hall. Taking a closer look at John's candidacy... He fails 3 of the 4 Bill James measures for comparing players up for Hall membership to those that are already in, but one of the fails is a close fail, 44 on the Hall of Fame Standards for pitchers (50 or above is a "passing grade"). The best statistical argument against him is probably the Jaffee JAWS system, which has him as the 76th best starting pitcher of all-time, and of the pitchers around him on the list, 2 of the 10 above him are in the Hall, including Early Wynn, and just 3 of the 10 below him are in, including Whitey Ford. John was very good for a long time, and solid for a very long time, but simply doesn't have the "peak" of 5-10 great seasons usually associated with getting chosen for the Hall. His Jaws 7 number would be unusually low for a Hall of Famer, just 166th out of the top 500 pitchers on the list, the bottom 5 of which include Paul Splitorff, Mike Flanagan and Bill Gulllickson. All good pitchers who each had a couple of top seasons, but clearly not Hall of Famers. John had a much better career than any of them, but not so much better as to force the voters to elect him. It might take longer than I think for him to get in, but he has one unusual big factor in his favor: an unusual "innovator" credential: Frank Jobe invented ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction surgery for Tommy, but it took the desperate courage of John to volunteer to allow himself to be the guinea pig, to get it successfully done, and the perseverance to work through the lengthy rehab process and rebuild his big league career. Even though he had to change his approach substantially, going from a power lefty to a junkballing sinkerballing lefty with elite control, he eventually was as good or better than he ever was. As many careers of pitchers are still being crushed by arm injuries, and for as many of them who wind up needing that UCL reconstruction, some of them two or even three times, the attrition on major league starters because of the five and fly, throw as hard as you can for as long as you can, then turn it over to multiple relievers approach of the modern analytical game, the situation would be far worse without John's example. That's why the surgery has been informally named for Tommy John, and rightly so. That toughness, courage and perseverance changed the game forever, and for me, is decisive in terms of his Hall of Fame candidacy. I don't have a vote, but if I did, I'd vote Tommy John into the Hall, and I think somewhere down the road, some Veteran/Old Timers' Committee will eventually vote him in. While he didn't invent it, he was the test subject and his name has been mentioned now thousands and thousands of times whenever someone else gets TJ surgery. A little like: www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cummica01.shtmlWho is in the HOF because he invented the curveball.
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Post by qwik3457bb on May 18, 2024 15:56:18 GMT -5
While he didn't invent it, he was the test subject and his name has been mentioned now thousands and thousands of times whenever someone else gets TJ surgery. A little like: www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cummica01.shtmlWho is in the HOF because he invented the curveball. Yes, although that innovation was an enormous change to the game on the field, much as Ruth becoming the first real player to deliberately trade contact for an enormous increase in home runs changed the game on the field. John's innovation was not the same, but it's helped save the careers of literally hundreds of major league pitchers, and had an enormous positive impact on the game. (And possibly a negative one as well: maybe the analytical throw as hard as you can for 5-6 innings would never have arisen without TJ surgery backing up so many teams and pitchers who suffer the torn UCL injuries). But the name of any game long-term is to evolve and adapt, and TJ surgery is a classic example of this basic principle of sports, games, and life as well.
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