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Post by cbpinstripes on Jul 18, 2018 11:49:44 GMT -5
Maybe the Brewer's fans will be so upset that ownership forces a trade to the Yankees. It's amazing the backlash this guy is getting in RAB comments. I gotta stay off there for rest of night... My blood pressure is so high. People are making mountains out of molehills It blows my mind that when a guy signs an agent they don't make them delete their social media account and make a new one or something. This shit happens all the time. Not nearly as bad as this, but I remember last year in hockey people digging up tweets McAvoy made years prior about how much he hated the bruins, his current team. I read something last night that I can't seem to find now about his girlfriend also making racist/homophobic tweets as recently as a couple years ago. Hard to say if he's changed. I knew plenty of people through school who said awful stuff like this, myself included, who have grown up and past this way of thinking. I work with older guys as well that still talk this way though, unfortunately. I don't know about other industries, but in trade work I would say it's probably close to half and half as far as whether people are bigoted to some degree. |
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Post by numbers on Jul 18, 2018 13:49:11 GMT -5
So glad all these social media options were not available when I was young and stupid!
Or middle aged and stupid!
Now that I’m old and stupid no one is interested in what I have to say.
Point being that the masses,who are just as stupid, get their feel good moment attacking this kid for being human.
This idea that we don’t have prejudices is the most stupid thing of all.’WE ALL DO
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 13:50:33 GMT -5
Maybe the Brewer's fans will be so upset that ownership forces a trade to the Yankees. It's amazing the backlash this guy is getting in RAB comments. I gotta stay off there for rest of night... My blood pressure is so high. People are making mountains out of molehills It blows my mind that when a guy signs an agent they don't make them delete their social media account and make a new one or something. This shit happens all the time. Not nearly as bad as this, but I remember last year in hockey people digging up tweets McAvoy made years prior about how much he hated the bruins, his current team. I read something last night that I can't seem to find now about his girlfriend also making racist/homophobic tweets as recently as a couple years ago. Hard to say if he's changed. I knew plenty of people through school who said awful stuff like this, myself included, who have grown up and past this way of thinking. I work with older guys as well that still talk this way though, unfortunately. I don't know about other industries, but in trade work I would say it's probably close to half and half as far as whether people are bigoted to some degree. I’ve driven this point home several times on this site. Things that people said yesteryear should be irrelevant if we can see that person learning and moving away from bigoted comments and behavior. We’ll never likely ever see the elimination of bigotry. It seems to be a part of the human genome. Certainly it’s a part of human learned behavior. Just like a religion, if you grow up within bigotry and immersed with bigoted beliefs, it can be extremely hard to cleanse yourself of the poison in your system. The individual must want to change. Society can’t force change...Odd angle of this whole issue is that we also wind up being bigoted against bigots...The pit is somewhat bottomless... |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 14:32:58 GMT -5
I just looked at Hader’s Bio on Baseball-Reference and I see that he attended high school in MD. I was born in and lived in MD for about 56 of my 64 years. I don’t know the habits of the entire state, but I can tell you there is a LOT of bigotry there. There has also been KKK activity, and there still are pockets of that sprinkled around the state.
So, there is a strong chance that Hader was exposed to a lot of the language and bevavior projected on those tweets.
Good for him for having made a decent statement about the tweets, and for saying he no longer feels that way. Good for Lorenzo Cain for standing up for him, and giving him the benefit of a doubt.
Good for the Brewers sending him to sensitivity training, and to him for going. Good for the sport and for humanity if it opens up discussion to help close the racial gap.
Too bad it will probably never even touch the socio-economic gap. That’s also a gigantic issue, but we tend to turn a blind eye to that because we’re a capitalist nation. Just think, a certain segment of people in this country are so very privileged only because of who’s scrotum or womb they were created in/by. Not all have really “earned” their wealth...congratulations to those that did...
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Post by numbers on Jul 18, 2018 14:49:05 GMT -5
I just looked at Hader’s Bio on Baseball-Reference and I see that he attended high school in MD. I was born in and lived in MD for about 56 of my 64 years. I don’t know the habits of the entire state, but I can tell you there is a LOT of bigotry there. There has also been KKK activity, and there still are pockets of that sprinkled around the state. So, there is a strong chance that Hader was exposed to a lot of the language and bevavior projected on those tweets. Good for him for having made a decent statement about the tweets, and for saying he no longer feels that way. Good for Lorenzo Cain for standing up for him, and giving him the benefit of a doubt. Good for the Brewers sending him to sensitivity training, and to him for going. Good for the sport and for humanity if it opens up discussion to help close the racial gap. Too bad it will probably never even touch the socio-economic gap. That’s also a gigantic issue, but we tend to turn a blind eye to that because we’re a capitalist nation. Just think, a certain segment of people in this country are so very privileged only because of who’s scrotum or womb they were created in/by. Not all have really “earned” their wealth...congratulations to those that did... Amazingly foolish and naive. If it makes you feel better, than great but get real man. If you don’t think it’s that way and worse in the 100 plus countries inhabited by the 8 plus billion people, you need to travel more.’ But if it makes you feel better telling us how you rose above the racism around you to grow up to be Mother TerInger, go for it |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 17:20:16 GMT -5
I just looked at Hader’s Bio on Baseball-Reference and I see that he attended high school in MD. I was born in and lived in MD for about 56 of my 64 years. I don’t know the habits of the entire state, but I can tell you there is a LOT of bigotry there. There has also been KKK activity, and there still are pockets of that sprinkled around the state. So, there is a strong chance that Hader was exposed to a lot of the language and bevavior projected on those tweets. Good for him for having made a decent statement about the tweets, and for saying he no longer feels that way. Good for Lorenzo Cain for standing up for him, and giving him the benefit of a doubt. Good for the Brewers sending him to sensitivity training, and to him for going. Good for the sport and for humanity if it opens up discussion to help close the racial gap. Too bad it will probably never even touch the socio-economic gap. That’s also a gigantic issue, but we tend to turn a blind eye to that because we’re a capitalist nation. Just think, a certain segment of people in this country are so very privileged only because of who’s scrotum or womb they were created in/by. Not all have really “earned” their wealth...congratulations to those that did... Amazingly foolish and naive. If it makes you feel better, than great but get real man. If you don’t think it’s that way and worse in the 100 plus countries inhabited by the 8 plus billion people, you need to travel more.’ But if it makes you feel better telling us how you rose above the racism around you to grow up to be Mother TerInger, go for it I don’t know where you got that in what I wrote, numbers. I’ve always openly said that I still have prejudices that I’m working on and that I think the world is filthy with them. Yet I do maintain hope for a better world in the future. I did like the Mother TerInger reference though, peace... |
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Post by sierchio on Jul 18, 2018 19:05:51 GMT -5
If Twitter was around when I was 17.. I imagine it would look much like Haders. Born and raised in NJ but not in any of the cities or rich suburbs... I grew up in the sticks. They actually have a name for us... they call us "Pineys" as in people from the Pine Barrens. A lot of people fly confederate flags around here, for some reason... they think we live in the south.. although , that segment of our population seems to have died out (they were mostly older fellers, back when I was a teenager). Anyways, the "N" word, was a regular subject in our vocab.. with many different meanings, to many different people. To some it was just like dropping an "F bomb" when you stubbed your toe or got angry.. to others it was an ignorant person, regardless of skin color... to some it was every single black and brown person on the planet... to others it was certain types of blacks.. to others it was a word you shall never speak, especially if you're white... but mostly that was not the case. The town just to the south of me was "founded" by the KKK and the "KKK house," is still erected if you know how to find it. (I can't verify that the town was founded by the KKK or if it was just here say... but the old KKK house I can attest to).
Anyways,what I was getting at.. I changed a lot the past 7 years... and certainly changed a lot since I was 17. If Twitter was around when I was 17... I would never be able to get any type of job PERIOD because I'd be posting some DUMB shit... My town and it's attitude has also changed a lot since I was 17 years old. Mostly I guess due to the younger people replacing the "old guard," so to speak. I don't think Hader should receive any type of punishment for shit he posted (probably drunk) 7 years ago , when he was still in high school. And if you actually look at his tweets, they don't seem hateful, or politically motivated... just seems like a dumb ass kid posting dumb ass shit. A lot of the demeaning Tweets were actually rap songs that he was quoting.. Rap songs sung by black individuals... you don't see too many racist people listening to rap songs.. Also, right or wrong, the word gay doesn't always mean homosexual, especially when you're 17. When I was 17, everything was gay. I know now using gay as a derogatory term for something you don't like, is pretty tacky for many reasons.
I was gonna post more , but I'm gonna get off the soap box... I think you can understand where I'm going with this... which my main point is, and I'll quote inger,
"Good for him for having made a decent statement about the tweets, and for saying he no longer feels that way. Good for Lorenzo Cain for standing up for him, and giving him the benefit of a doubt. Good for the Brewers sending him to sensitivity training, and to him for going."
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Post by numbers on Jul 18, 2018 20:24:43 GMT -5
Amazingly foolish and naive. If it makes you feel better, than great but get real man. If you don’t think it’s that way and worse in the 100 plus countries inhabited by the 8 plus billion people, you need to travel more.’ But if it makes you feel better telling us how you rose above the racism around you to grow up to be Mother TerInger, go for it I don’t know where you got that in what I wrote, numbers. I’ve always openly said that I still have prejudices that I’m working on and that I think the world is filthy with them. Yet I do maintain hope for a better world in the future. I did like the Mother TerInger reference though, peace... Please forgive me for reacting to another American telling me,as an immigrant, that I came to a shitty country full of capitalist racists pigs. Been here 58 yrs. and thought this was the greatest country in the world.Silly me Please send your post to the 5-6 billion people who would sell one of their eyeballs to come here We,all 8 billion of us, have prejudices, is the point. Have lived in other countries and traveled all over the world. Americans, the LEAST racist most welcoming people I’ve ever encountered. Going to Sweden,Russia,Estonia,Finland and the Netherlands tomorrow.’ Was advised by travel agent to not wear my star of David( im Jewish) Never heard that in AMERICA! |
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Post by sierchio on Jul 18, 2018 20:47:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to watch the Olney video but for some reason whenever a tweet(?) is embedded , and I click on it to play , the screen turns white with a blue play button.. but when I hit the play button nothing happens. And it's embedded tweets in general... not just on this site.. Hell, I think even when I go to Twitter I can't play the videos... IDK.. it's bullshit though...
Now where is my post about Home Runs that I'm looking for grrr
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Post by utahyank on Jul 18, 2018 21:05:19 GMT -5
what an inspiring community of posters....and I sincerely mean that...…
I am a first generation American, my father having immigrated from the Czech area east of Prague..... he loved America, and passed that love to me....
I know numbers has shared with us that he is an immigrant...I suspect others here are not but a generation or so from being immigrants....if your ancestors came to these shores after independence, you are almost an immigrant as well....
what a beautiful diversity we have here....I applaud that...
and we have 2 things we agree on:
1. we love the Yankees
2. we dislike a lot the Red Sox...………..cheers to all......
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 21:07:43 GMT -5
I don’t know where you got that in what I wrote, numbers. I’ve always openly said that I still have prejudices that I’m working on and that I think the world is filthy with them. Yet I do maintain hope for a better world in the future. I did like the Mother TerInger reference though, peace... Please forgive me for reacting to another American telling me,as an immigrant, that I came to a shitty country full of capitalist racists pigs. Been here 58 yrs. and thought this was the greatest country in the world.Silly me Please send your post to the 5-6 billion people who would sell one of their eyeballs to come here We,all 8 billion of us, have prejudices, is the point. Have lived in other countries and traveled all over the world. Americans, the LEAST racist most welcoming people I’ve ever encountered. Going to Sweden,Russia,Estonia,Finland and the Netherlands tomorrow.’ Was advised by travel agent to not wear my star of David( im Jewish) Never heard that in AMERICA! You may not like my view of what our country is becoming, and you are welcome to dispute it. As an immigrant you have indeed seen a lot more of the world than I have. I take no pleasure in knowing that the other countries are worse. It speaks poorly of humanity. But what I was indicating was that your references to me specifically referring my personal "improvement" was and remains completely unwarranted. You took great liberties with my original post to make that assumption. But as I always do, I am welcoming of you as an immigrant that has entered this country legally and contributed to the society. I can assure you that Judaism is as problematic in this country in some areas as anywhere. It's regrettable, but true. Our idiots hide in the darkness and come after you...Quite regrettable you have to go through that to travel... I've always considered you to be a friend on this site as well on the old Scout site. Let's cool our jets a bit and relax. You can see how hard these subjects are to discuss without inflaming passions that dwell inside of everybody... |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 21:38:01 GMT -5
what an inspiring community of posters....and I sincerely mean that...… I am a first generation American, my father having immigrated from the Czech area east of Prague..... he loved America, and passed that love to me.... I know numbers has shared with us that he is an immigrant...I suspect others here are not but a generation or so from being immigrants....if your ancestors came to these shores after independence, you are almost an immigrant as well.... what a beautiful diversity we have here....I applaud that... and we have 2 things we agree on: 1. we love the Yankees 2. we dislike a lot the Red Sox...………..cheers to all...... As per the usual, very eloquently stated, Utah. I don't mean to spit vitriol about this wonderful country. There is much more good than bad. To completely ignore the bad is foolhardy, for if we don't speak up when we see society begin to creep in a direction that will consume us, then the creeping is not arrested. But yes...all of what you said is true and from all I know about you, you worked hard and earned any privilege you may enjoy through that work and the sue of your obvious intellect... Independence Day or not, there are precious few in this country that did not originally immigrate here, and this country (and many of our ancestors were guilty) committed such horrible atrocities on them that they are on a par with Hitler's atrocities. We could have shared, but we chose to take. There is a shame that this country can never live down...We have a less than perfect heritage... |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2018 21:40:23 GMT -5
Utah, do you know what year your father immigrate to America? Where he landed? Did he also move west into Utah, or did you migrate away from the family area? Just curious. I know so little of my heritage that I get somewhat enraptured thinking about the heritage that others have...
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Post by utahyank on Jul 19, 2018 9:50:01 GMT -5
Utah, do you know what year your father immigrate to America? Where he landed? Did he also move west into Utah, or did you migrate away from the family area? Just curious. I know so little of my heritage that I get somewhat enraptured thinking about the heritage that others have... I know quite a bit, inger...and hoping that this is not boring, I will write a bit...I do not have record of my paternal ancestor arriving in England as an invader from Scandanavia...it was probably about 1300 AD as there was a wave of Viking invasions about then.....there, he received the English surname that I carry today, and it was given based upon his means of labor...a modest one that indicates he was a hand laborer....they were Catholic, as were the rest of England....when Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic church about 1535, Catholics were persecuted, and forced to renounce the Pope and swear allegiance to Henry....those who would not do that had an option if they could manage it...Austria, France and Spain sent ships that would sit off an English harbor, such as Plymouth, and take refugees to one of those countries...my family was taken to Austria....thanks to the records of the Catholic church in Austria, I have picked up the thread, and my ancestor Johan was 17 when he was conscripted into the Austrian army and served near the end of the 30 years war....the result of that war was that Austria won land eastward to Hungary, encompassing Czechoslovakia, and being the Austro-Hungarian Empire.....desiring to populate that region with German-speaking Austrians, the government gave land there to the veterans of the War...…….Johan received some land near the village of Obergrub, about 70 miles east of Prague....there he raised his family, mainly by cutting wood and selling it to the gentry in Prague....across the river eastward there was a mill which cut wood, ground grain, and ground animal bones for fertilizer...in 1675 there was a marriage between Johan's grandson and the 15 year old only child of the mill owner, and thus my family acquired some worldly means....I have the record from the village Catholic church that details the family births and deaths in that village, which has been renamed Vaclovov after WWII.....Hermann Jilg, from that village immigrated to America about 1880....going as far west as north-east Nebraska, where he found land...after some years he returned for his family...my father was among those who listened to Jilg when he returned and Father determined to immigrate as well...he came as a 17 yr old in 1893....processed through Ellis Island, and settled in Nebraska......there he met my mother, who was the daughter, born in America, of parents born in Sweden....my parents were farmers/ranchers in that area and are reposed in a cemetery where my first wife is buried, and where Dee and I also have our monuments....there is a certain satisfaction to knowing your history....you may be surprised at what genealogical aids are available these days....good luck if you decide to research yours.... |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Jul 19, 2018 9:55:37 GMT -5
Utah, do you know what year your father immigrate to America? Where he landed? Did he also move west into Utah, or did you migrate away from the family area? Just curious. I know so little of my heritage that I get somewhat enraptured thinking about the heritage that others have... I know quite a bit, inger...and hoping that this is not boring, I will write a bit...I do not have record of my paternal ancestor arriving in England as an invader from Scandanavia...it was probably about 1300 AD as there was a wave of Viking invasions about then.....there, he received the English surname that I carry today, and it was given based upon his means of labor...a modest one that indicates he was a hand laborer....they were Catholic, as were the rest of England....when Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic church about 1535, Catholics were persecuted, and forced to renounce the Pope and swear allegiance to Henry....those who would not do that had an option if they could manage it...Austria, France and Spain sent ships that would sit off an English harbor, such as Plymouth, and take refugees to one of those countries...my family was taken to Austria....thanks to the records of the Catholic church in Austria, I have picked up the thread, and my ancestor Johan was 17 when he was conscripted into the Austrian army and served near the end of the 30 years war....the result of that war was that Austria won land eastward to Hungary, encompassing Czechoslovakia, and being the Austro-Hungarian Empire.....desiring to populate that region with German-speaking Austrians, the government gave land there to the veterans of the War...…….Johan received some land near the village of Obergrub, about 70 miles east of Prague....there he raised his family, mainly by cutting wood and selling it to the gentry in Prague....across the river eastward there was a mill which cut wood, ground grain, and ground animal bones for fertilizer...in 1675 there was a marriage between Johan's grandson and the 15 year old only child of the mill owner, and thus my family acquired some worldly means....I have the record from the village Catholic church that details the family births and deaths in that village, which has been renamed Vaclovov after WWII.....Hermann Jilg, from that village immigrated to America about 1880....going as far west as north-east Nebraska, where he found land...after some years he returned for his family...my father was among those who listened to Jilg when he returned and Father determined to immigrate as well...he came as a 17 yr old in 1893....processed through Ellis Island, and settled in Nebraska......there he met my mother, who was the daughter, born in America, of parents born in Sweden....they were farmers/ranchers in that area and are reposed in a cemetery where my first wife is buried, and where Dee and I also have our monuments....there is a certain satisfaction to knowing your history....you may be surprised at what genealogical aids are available these days....good luck if you decide to research yours.... There is a joke in here about Utah's dad first immigrating to America in 1675 and Utah being born a few days later   |
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