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Post by kaybli on Sept 15, 2024 10:28:21 GMT -5
Was the intentional walk called from the bench? Hard to believe it was Cole's idea. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 15, 2024 10:35:00 GMT -5
Was the intentional walk called from the bench? Hard to believe it was Cole's idea. Sounds like Boone isn't even in sync with his coaches, because that's not what he said. |
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Post by qimqam on Sept 15, 2024 10:37:38 GMT -5
In Summary
Cole said they had discussed stratagies vs Devers in certain situations before and during the series.
This did not only apply to Cole but to all of the pitchers that would face Devers in certain situations
I am 100% sure the Red Sox and every other team discuss similar stratagies when facing Judge and Soto
Cole the Coward took it waaaaay to far and made a mockery of himself and the Yankees. Devers is very good but he is not Judge, Barry Bonds or even Soto.
The fact that Devers has owned Cole is all the more reason to go after him in that situation and try to reverse the trend and establish the same kind of dominance.
In fact, if you plan to walk him ... do the sam thing that you did in the first AB ... either plunk him or make him real unconfortable to face you in the future.
Instead Cole gave Devers all the leverage this season and going forward
Shameful and embarrasing !!!!
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Post by Max on Sept 15, 2024 11:05:56 GMT -5
The Yankees had a game plan when it came to Devers. So I don't know what the big deal is if the decision to intentional walk Devers came from Boone or Cole.
To each their own. But I would remind anyone that thinks that Cole is a punk/coward/etc. to remember how Cole didn't back down from Donaldson. He also had some choice words for Manoah.
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 15, 2024 11:07:48 GMT -5
The Yankees had a game plan when it came to Devers. So I don't know what the big deal is if the decision to intentional walk Devers came from Boone or Cole. To each their own. But I would remind anyone that thinks that Cole is a punk/coward/etc. to remember how Cole didn't back down from Donaldson. He also had some choice words for Manoah. They tried something "unconventional"...didn't work. BFD...move on. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 15, 2024 11:43:27 GMT -5
The Yankees had a game plan when it came to Devers. So I don't know what the big deal is if the decision to intentional walk Devers came from Boone or Cole. To each their own. But I would remind anyone that thinks that Cole is a punk/coward/etc. to remember how Cole didn't back down from Donaldson. He also had some choice words for Manoah. They tried something "unconventional"...didn't work. BFD...move on. You can't make a rational argument that Cole performs poorly in big games. Unless you don't consider post-season games as important. Cole has a post-season ERA of 2.93. Here are the post-season ERAs of recent CYA winners: Verlander -- 3.58 Scherzer -- 3.78 Kershaw -- 4.49 Snell -- 3.33 Glasnow -- 5.72 Kluber -- 4.02 Bieber -- 5.00 Ray -- 7.43 Alcantara -- 4.26 Greinke -- 4.14 The only recent CYA winners with a better post-season ERA (and not by much) are Corbin Burnes at 2.84 and Jacob de Grom at 2.90. Go back over the past thirty or so years and here are the post-season ERAs of some staff aces: Martinez -- 3.46 Maddux -- 3.27 Glavine -- 3.30 R. Johnson -- 3.50 Sabathia -- 4.28 Pettitte -- 3.81 Mussina -- 3.42 Clemens -- 3.75 Unless you believe all of those guys were gutless chokers too. You can easily make a case that Cole has performed terribly against the Red Sox. Maybe kind of like when the Yankees were Pedro's Daddy. But you can't make a case that at least up until now that he's done poorly in the most important games. Who knows, maybe he'll implode in all of his future post-season starts. But as of this moment you can make a much stronger argument that he has been historically effective in big games for the era he has pitched in. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 15, 2024 11:49:51 GMT -5
They tried something "unconventional"...didn't work. BFD...move on. You can't make a rational argument that Cole performs poorly in big games. Unless you don't consider post-season games as important. Cole has a post-season ERA of 2.93. Here are the post-season ERAs of recent CYA winners: Verlander -- 3.58 Scherzer -- 3.78 Kershaw -- 4.49 Snell -- 3.33 Glasnow -- 5.72 Kluber -- 4.02 Bieber -- 5.00 Ray -- 7.43 Alcantara -- 4.26 Greinke -- 4.14 The only recent CYA winners with a better post-season ERA (and not by much) are Corbin Burnes at 2.84 and Jacob de Grom at 2.90. Go back over the past thirty or so years and here are the post-season ERAs of some staff aces: Martinez -- 3.46 Maddux -- 3.27 Glavine -- 3.30 R. Johnson -- 3.50 Sabathia -- 4.28 Pettitte -- 3.81 Mussina -- 3.42 Clemens -- 3.75 Unless you believe all of those guys were gutless chokers too. You can easily make a case that Cole has performed terribly against the Red Sox. Maybe kind of like when the Yankees were Pedro's Daddy. But you can't make a case that at least up until now that he's done poorly in the most important games. Who knows, maybe he'll implode in all of his future post-season starts. But as of this moment you can make a much stronger argument that he has been historically effective in big games for the era he has pitched in. I have no strong opinion one way or the other re Cole. In fact, I rarely comment re pitchers. But to label him a failure or coward after one questionable decision is beyond ridiculous. |
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Post by inger on Sept 15, 2024 11:55:46 GMT -5
They tried something "unconventional"...didn't work. BFD...move on. You can't make a rational argument that Cole performs poorly in big games. Unless you don't consider post-season games as important. Cole has a post-season ERA of 2.93. Here are the post-season ERAs of recent CYA winners: Verlander -- 3.58 Scherzer -- 3.78 Kershaw -- 4.49 Snell -- 3.33 Glasnow -- 5.72 Kluber -- 4.02 Bieber -- 5.00 Ray -- 7.43 Alcantara -- 4.26 Greinke -- 4.14 The only recent CYA winners with a better post-season ERA (and not by much) are Corbin Burnes at 2.84 and Jacob de Grom at 2.90. Go back over the past thirty or so years and here are the post-season ERAs of some staff aces: Martinez -- 3.46 Maddux -- 3.27 Glavine -- 3.30 R. Johnson -- 3.50 Sabathia -- 4.28 Pettitte -- 3.81 Mussina -- 3.42 Clemens -- 3.75 Unless you believe all of those guys were gutless chokers too. You can easily make a case that Cole has performed terribly against the Red Sox. Maybe kind of like when the Yankees were Pedro's Daddy. But you can't make a case that at least up until now that he's done poorly in the most important games. Who knows, maybe he'll implode in all of his future post-season starts. But as of this moment you can make a much stronger argument that he has been historically effective in big games for the era he has pitched in. I just want to know if you looked all those numbers up, or if they’re committed to memory? 🤓… |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 15, 2024 12:48:42 GMT -5
You can't make a rational argument that Cole performs poorly in big games. Unless you don't consider post-season games as important. Cole has a post-season ERA of 2.93. Here are the post-season ERAs of recent CYA winners: Verlander -- 3.58 Scherzer -- 3.78 Kershaw -- 4.49 Snell -- 3.33 Glasnow -- 5.72 Kluber -- 4.02 Bieber -- 5.00 Ray -- 7.43 Alcantara -- 4.26 Greinke -- 4.14 The only recent CYA winners with a better post-season ERA (and not by much) are Corbin Burnes at 2.84 and Jacob de Grom at 2.90. Go back over the past thirty or so years and here are the post-season ERAs of some staff aces: Martinez -- 3.46 Maddux -- 3.27 Glavine -- 3.30 R. Johnson -- 3.50 Sabathia -- 4.28 Pettitte -- 3.81 Mussina -- 3.42 Clemens -- 3.75 Unless you believe all of those guys were gutless chokers too. You can easily make a case that Cole has performed terribly against the Red Sox. Maybe kind of like when the Yankees were Pedro's Daddy. But you can't make a case that at least up until now that he's done poorly in the most important games. Who knows, maybe he'll implode in all of his future post-season starts. But as of this moment you can make a much stronger argument that he has been historically effective in big games for the era he has pitched in. I have no strong opinion one way or the other re Cole. In fact, I rarely comment re pitchers. But to label him a failure or coward after one questionable decision is beyond ridiculous. Some people can drown in a half an inch of water. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 15, 2024 12:49:48 GMT -5
You can't make a rational argument that Cole performs poorly in big games. Unless you don't consider post-season games as important. Cole has a post-season ERA of 2.93. Here are the post-season ERAs of recent CYA winners: Verlander -- 3.58 Scherzer -- 3.78 Kershaw -- 4.49 Snell -- 3.33 Glasnow -- 5.72 Kluber -- 4.02 Bieber -- 5.00 Ray -- 7.43 Alcantara -- 4.26 Greinke -- 4.14 The only recent CYA winners with a better post-season ERA (and not by much) are Corbin Burnes at 2.84 and Jacob de Grom at 2.90. Go back over the past thirty or so years and here are the post-season ERAs of some staff aces: Martinez -- 3.46 Maddux -- 3.27 Glavine -- 3.30 R. Johnson -- 3.50 Sabathia -- 4.28 Pettitte -- 3.81 Mussina -- 3.42 Clemens -- 3.75 Unless you believe all of those guys were gutless chokers too. You can easily make a case that Cole has performed terribly against the Red Sox. Maybe kind of like when the Yankees were Pedro's Daddy. But you can't make a case that at least up until now that he's done poorly in the most important games. Who knows, maybe he'll implode in all of his future post-season starts. But as of this moment you can make a much stronger argument that he has been historically effective in big games for the era he has pitched in. I just want to know if you looked all those numbers up, or if they’re committed to memory? 🤓… I admit I had to look up Alcantara. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 15, 2024 12:54:57 GMT -5
I have no strong opinion one way or the other re Cole. In fact, I rarely comment re pitchers. But to label him a failure or coward after one questionable decision is beyond ridiculous. Some people can drown in a half an inch of water. IMO...a pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is the ultimate act of cowardice. No real way for the hitter to physically retaliate. |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 18, 2024 15:15:10 GMT -5
Some people can drown in a half an inch of water. IMO...a pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is the ultimate act of cowardice. No real way for the hitter to physically retaliate. Not since the DH. Of course, I was a fan of this: I hate Google. This was a YouTube video of Gerald Williams knocking Pedro Martinez on his butt after being hit in the hand with a pitch. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 18, 2024 16:05:21 GMT -5
IMO...a pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is the ultimate act of cowardice. No real way for the hitter to physically retaliate. Not since the DH. Of course, I was a fan of this: I hate Google. This was a YouTube video of Gerald Williams knocking Pedro Martinez on his butt after being hit in the hand with a pitch. Can't see the video of course*, but I'd say Williams was absolutely justified. A pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is as cowardly an act as there is. I have ZERO respect for such "legends" as Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale or the 'roid fueled Roger Clemens. There's no way to determine with 100% certainty if a hit batter was intentionally thrown at, but if there was, that pitcher should be suspended for 10 starts/appearances...minimum. *PS - watched the video on youtube. Perfect...almost as good as Odor knocking Bautista on his azz. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 18, 2024 16:23:24 GMT -5
IMO...a pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is the ultimate act of cowardice. No real way for the hitter to physically retaliate. Not since the DH. Of course, I was a fan of this: I hate Google. This was a YouTube video of Gerald Williams knocking Pedro Martinez on his butt after being hit in the hand with a pitch. Is that the game where Pedro was throwing a no hitter? |
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Post by ypaterson on Sept 18, 2024 16:41:10 GMT -5
Not since the DH. Of course, I was a fan of this: I hate Google. This was a YouTube video of Gerald Williams knocking Pedro Martinez on his butt after being hit in the hand with a pitch. Can't see the video of course*, but I'd say Williams was absolutely justified. A pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is as cowardly an act as there is. I have ZERO respect for such "legends" as Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale or the 'roid fueled Roger Clemens. There's no way to determine with 100% certainty if a hit batter was intentionally thrown at, but if there was, that pitcher should be suspended for 10 starts/appearances...minimum. *PS - watched the video on youtube. Perfect...almost as good as Odor knocking Bautista on his azz. I've looked at Bob Gibson's numbers and compared them to guys who pitched in his era and they don't jump out. The guy faced 16000 batters and hit 102. His numbers are in line with guys like Mickey Lolich or Jim Bunning. Is there an incident or event that I overlooked that led to this image of Gibson ? I know Gibson liked the image of the hard guy...but I am not so sure he was different than lots of other starters. |
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