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Post by azbob643 on Sept 18, 2024 16:45:31 GMT -5
Can't see the video of course*, but I'd say Williams was absolutely justified. A pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is as cowardly an act as there is. I have ZERO respect for such "legends" as Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale or the 'roid fueled Roger Clemens. There's no way to determine with 100% certainty if a hit batter was intentionally thrown at, but if there was, that pitcher should be suspended for 10 starts/appearances...minimum. *PS - watched the video on youtube. Perfect...almost as good as Odor knocking Bautista on his azz. I've looked at Bob Gibson's numbers and compared them to guys who pitched in his era and they don't jump out. The guy faced 16000 batters and hit 102. His numbers are in line with guys like Mickey Lolich or Jim Bunning. Is there an incident or event that I overlooked that led to this image of Gibson ? I know Gibson liked the image of the hard guy...but I am not so sure he was different than lots of other starters. Depends on whether the 102 hit batters were intentional. Gibson obviously had the rep for intentionally throwing at hitters...the inside part of the plate "was his". Nope... |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 18, 2024 17:01:19 GMT -5
Can't see the video of course*, but I'd say Williams was absolutely justified. A pitcher intentionally throwing at a hitter is as cowardly an act as there is. I have ZERO respect for such "legends" as Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale or the 'roid fueled Roger Clemens. There's no way to determine with 100% certainty if a hit batter was intentionally thrown at, but if there was, that pitcher should be suspended for 10 starts/appearances...minimum. *PS - watched the video on youtube. Perfect...almost as good as Odor knocking Bautista on his azz. I've looked at Bob Gibson's numbers and compared them to guys who pitched in his era and they don't jump out. The guy faced 16000 batters and hit 102. His numbers are in line with guys like Mickey Lolich or Jim Bunning. Is there an incident or event that I overlooked that led to this image of Gibson ? I know Gibson liked the image of the hard guy...but I am not so sure he was different than lots of other starters. A good brushback pitch, without actually hitting the batter can be just as effective. |
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Post by ypaterson on Sept 18, 2024 17:10:08 GMT -5
I've looked at Bob Gibson's numbers and compared them to guys who pitched in his era and they don't jump out. The guy faced 16000 batters and hit 102. His numbers are in line with guys like Mickey Lolich or Jim Bunning. Is there an incident or event that I overlooked that led to this image of Gibson ? I know Gibson liked the image of the hard guy...but I am not so sure he was different than lots of other starters. Depends on whether the 102 hit batters were intentional. Gibson obviously had the rep for intentionally throwing at hitters...the inside part of the plate "was his". Nope... I don't fault a guy for pitching inside...but you are responsible for doing it safely. Two guys who I always thought threw at batters as part of their pitching strategy were Pedro and Randy Johnson. |
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Post by ypaterson on Sept 18, 2024 17:11:32 GMT -5
I've looked at Bob Gibson's numbers and compared them to guys who pitched in his era and they don't jump out. The guy faced 16000 batters and hit 102. His numbers are in line with guys like Mickey Lolich or Jim Bunning. Is there an incident or event that I overlooked that led to this image of Gibson ? I know Gibson liked the image of the hard guy...but I am not so sure he was different than lots of other starters. A good brushback pitch, without actually hitting the batter can be just as effective. I did not see Gibson very much or often so I can't say what he did. But the numbers seem to show he moved guys back a lot more often than he hit them. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 18, 2024 17:16:49 GMT -5
Depends on whether the 102 hit batters were intentional. Gibson obviously had the rep for intentionally throwing at hitters...the inside part of the plate "was his". Nope... I don't fault a guy for pitching inside...but you are responsible for doing it safely. Two guys who I always thought threw at batters as part of their pitching strategy were Pedro and Randy Johnson. No problem with a pitcher pitching inside...a brushback pitch. HUGE problem with pitchers intentionally throwing at hitters. Randy Johnson is on my "list". |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Sept 18, 2024 18:46:21 GMT -5
Depends on whether the 102 hit batters were intentional. Gibson obviously had the rep for intentionally throwing at hitters...the inside part of the plate "was his". Nope... I don't fault a guy for pitching inside...but you are responsible for doing it safely. Two guys who I always thought threw at batters as part of their pitching strategy were Pedro and Randy Johnson. 100% agree! 2 great pitchers, but "dirty". Could add Roger Clemens to that list. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Sept 18, 2024 18:47:02 GMT -5
I don't fault a guy for pitching inside...but you are responsible for doing it safely. Two guys who I always thought threw at batters as part of their pitching strategy were Pedro and Randy Johnson. No problem with a pitcher pitching inside...a brushback pitch. HUGE problem with pitchers intentionally throwing at hitters. Randy Johnson is on my "list". Never been a fan of pitchers intentionally throwing at batters, particulary in instances after an opposing player homers off you or if they have your number. Pitchers used to throw at batters when they felt they were being "shown up". Too much celebrating or running slowly around the bases after a HR. I don't think that's a big part of the game today as most celebrations seem to be more accepted. I'm pretty sure Inger put his head down and ran the bases like Paulie when he knocked one out but the game has changed. A tough one for me is what should a pitcher do if his teammates are being hit and they feel it is intentional. In that case I'm ok sending a message to the other team if done correctly. |
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Post by Lola on Sept 19, 2024 8:28:23 GMT -5
Intetionally Walking Devers with noone on base and 1 out in the 4th inning was one of, if not the most cowardly moves I have ever seen in professional sports Oh and Cole was Pitching a no hitter at the time and had showed a pair of balls by hitting Devers in his first AB !!!!! This is why, as I've always said, Gerrit Cole is not and will never be a true ACE !!! He's a great pitcher who lacks toughness and can never be relied on to shutdown rivals or opponents in a big game. Hopefully Cole does not bring the Yankees down with this cowardly move and reverse what was starting to look like a special season following Judges dramtic Grand Slam ! Cole you are a clown and should be ashamed of yourself !!!!! Yup...Cole is weak...said it before, I'll say it again, he's a big baby... no balls! |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 19, 2024 8:36:59 GMT -5
The Yankees are 3-0 since this game, I think they'll be fine. Meanwhile, Boston's season is over.
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Post by Lola on Sept 19, 2024 8:40:36 GMT -5
The Yankees are 3-0 since this game, I think they'll be fine. Meanwhile, Boston's season is over. I hope Cole is up for the post season... that's lot of pressure. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 19, 2024 8:41:38 GMT -5
The Yankees are 3-0 since this game, I think they'll be fine. Meanwhile, Boston's season is over. I hope Cole is up for the post season... that's lot of pressure. Someone posted Cole's career postseason numbers earlier in this thread, they are very good. |
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Post by Lola on Sept 19, 2024 8:58:08 GMT -5
I hope Cole is up for the post season... that's lot of pressure. Someone posted Cole's career postseason numbers earlier in this thread, they are very good. Hopefully those numbers hold true...hopefully he stays healthy. I just don't like the guy... can't stand listening to him. |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 19, 2024 9:13:10 GMT -5
Someone posted Cole's career postseason numbers earlier in this thread, they are very good. Hopefully those numbers hold true...hopefully he stays healthy. I just don't like the guy... can't stand listening to him. He's high maintenance at times, for sure. But it think this Yankee/Red Sox stuff means more to the fans than the players and the teams. They only have 4 series a year now and they won't meet in the post season. It was a bad look for Cole, Blake and Boone but it's over, we got bigger fish to fry! |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 19, 2024 9:45:11 GMT -5
Never been a fan of pitchers intentionally throwing at batters... A tough one for me is what should a pitcher do if his teammates are being hit and they feel it is intentional. It shouldn’t be allowed to get to that point. As I’ve said, it’s impossible to determine with 100% certainty whether a pitcher has intentionally thrown at a hitter, but the rule today is that if the umpire suspects a pitcher has intentionally thrown at a hitter a warning is given. From that point any pitch thrown at a hitter will result in the ejection of the pitcher and manager of that team. I believe it should be taken further…the pitcher and manager should be suspended for a number of starts/games & fined. Bottom line…a pitcher shouldn’t be allowed to throw a 95-mph ball at a defenseless hitter, no more than a hitter be allowed to fling his bat at a pitcher. On the other hand, maybe that’s the solution…allow a hitter to retaliate without any interference from players on either team. I’d have enjoyed watching Clemens get knocked on his butt a few times. *After being hit in the head by a pitch recently, Whit Merrifield expects a rule to be put into place that will address that problem this off-season. www.nytimes.com/athletic/5746145/2024/09/04/braves-whit-merrifield-mlb-hit-batter-rule/ |
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Post by noetsi on Sept 20, 2024 14:35:44 GMT -5
In a pitcher's defense some hitters lean over the plate so you can hit them in the strike zone. If they get hit in the strike zone that is their problem not the pitchers.
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