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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 25, 2024 10:50:31 GMT -5
Inger's discussion on Nettles vs. Rolen got me to thinking about other Yankees who had really good careers but fell short of the HOF. I thought I'd start the Yankee Hall of Very Good. MY first inclination was to make Donnie Baseball the first inductee but I am still holding out hope that the Veterans Committee adds him. So my first nominee is Roy White. Roy was the Brett Garndner of the 60's/70's. A really solid player who never seemed to get enough credit. Roy was a fine defender who had a 46.8 career WAR, 1803 hits, 233 sbs, and a career .271 ba.
My second nominee is a favorite of mine Mel Stottlmyre. He had a career WAR of 43.1, career era of 2.97, had 3 20 win seasons and won 164 career games while pitching on some teams that weren't very good. In 1965 he made the AllStar Team despte losing 20 games. He went on to have a pretty good career as a Yankee coach.
Many others need to be included and the thread is open for nominations.
In order to be inducted a player must receive at least 3 votes from board members who have achieved at least Ruthian Legend status.
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Post by kaybli on Oct 25, 2024 11:20:23 GMT -5
My fandom doesn't go back too far, so what about nominating Bern Baby Bern, Bernie Williams!
4 time Champion. 5 time All Star. 4 time Gold Glove. ALCS MVP. Batting Title. Career WAR of 49.6. Career Slash rate of .297/.381/.477 with an OPS+ of 125.
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 25, 2024 11:34:10 GMT -5
This a great topic! But I'm at work and don't have any time to any research so I'll have to nominate someone later. It shouldn't be difficult because the Yankees might have as many "Hall of Good" caliber players as any team in the sport. I can think of at least four from the Torre Dynasty alone.
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Post by inger on Oct 25, 2024 11:49:42 GMT -5
Great idea! Just so you know, my next one was going to be Mattingly vs. Dick Allen, but my vote would have to go to Allen despite my “Donnie Love”…
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Post by bomberhojoe on Oct 25, 2024 11:57:34 GMT -5
Inger's discussion on Nettles vs. Rolen got me to thinking about other Yankees who had really good careers but fell short of the HOF. I'll add 3 of my favorites from the 70s. Bobby Murcer (my all-time fave), Thurman Munson, and Ron Guidry. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 25, 2024 12:43:05 GMT -5
Willie Randolph - 65.9 career WAR, 2210 hits, .276 BA, a 6x all-star and while he never won a gold glove he was a very good defender with a career DWAR of 20.2 which places him 52nd on the alltime list.
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 25, 2024 13:22:44 GMT -5
Elston Howard won an MVP and a World Series and deserves to have a spot !
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Post by Max on Oct 25, 2024 14:11:56 GMT -5
Inger's discussion on Nettles vs. Rolen got me to thinking about other Yankees who had really good careers but fell short of the HOF. I'll add 3 of my favorites from the 70s. Bobby Murcer (my all-time fave), Thurman Munson, and Ron Guidry. Billy Martin (Player/Manager)should also be in the Hall of Fame. He was 1 of the top managers of his era along with Hall of Famers Dick Williams, Sparky Anderson, and Earl Weaver. |
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Post by Max on Oct 25, 2024 14:13:54 GMT -5
Great idea! Just so you know, my next one was going to be Mattingly vs. Dick Allen, but my vote would have to go to Allen despite my “Donnie Love”… Just my 2 cents, but both those players along with Keith Hernandez should be in the Hall of Fame. |
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Post by Max on Oct 25, 2024 14:17:06 GMT -5
Willie Randolph - 65.9 career WAR, 2210 hits, .276 BA, a 6x all-star and while he never won a gold glove he was a very good defender with a career DWAR of 20.2 which places him 52nd on the alltime list. He probably never won a gold glove because of Frank White. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 25, 2024 14:21:21 GMT -5
I'll add 3 of my favorites from the 70s. Bobby Murcer (my all-time fave), Thurman Munson, and Ron Guidry. Billy Martin (Player/Manager)should also be in the Hall of Fame. He was 1 of the top managers of his era along with Hall of Famers Dick Williams, Sparky Anderson, and Earl Weaver. I can't vote for Martin. He was one of those players/managers I really disliked. Also thought he was a bit overrated as a manager. No doubt he turned teams around quickly but his need for the limelight and the way he manufactured controversy gave him a short shelf life in many of the jobs he held. |
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Post by Max on Oct 25, 2024 14:25:26 GMT -5
Tough topic for me to list Yankee players that fell short of the Hall of Fame, because I think many of their career stats didn't fall short of the Hall of Fame.
Allie Reynolds is another one of those players that I think should be in the Hall of Fame.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 25, 2024 14:27:13 GMT -5
Great idea! Just so you know, my next one was going to be Mattingly vs. Dick Allen, but my vote would have to go to Allen despite my “Donnie Love”… Another interesting comparision might be Willie Randolph and Bill Mazerowski. IMO, neither belong in the HOF. I guess Maz was helped alot by his defense. I understand he was very good but I didn't see him play alot so I don't know if he was head and shoulders above Willie. Willie had better offensive numbers and career DWAR are fairly close. |
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Post by Max on Oct 25, 2024 14:29:59 GMT -5
Billy Martin (Player/Manager)should also be in the Hall of Fame. He was 1 of the top managers of his era along with Hall of Famers Dick Williams, Sparky Anderson, and Earl Weaver. I can't vote for Martin. He was one of those players/managers I really disliked. Also thought he was a bit overrated as a manager. No doubt he turned teams around quickly but his need for the limelight and the way he manufactured controversy gave him a short shelf life in many of the jobs he held. To each their own. But based on Martin's career, his career is right up there with some that are already in the Hall of Fame. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 25, 2024 14:33:43 GMT -5
Tough topic for me to list Yankee players that fell short of the Hall of Fame, because I think many of their career stats didn't fall short of the Hall of Fame. Allie Reynolds is another one of those players that I think should be in the Hall of Fame. Interesting player. He had a career WAR of 25.4. He had a career record of 182-107 but is also remembered for being a good closer and ended his career with 48 saves. His ERA 3.30 and WHIP 1.39 were a tad high, particularly WHIP. |
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