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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 1, 2024 9:27:21 GMT -5
Putting in Cortez to blow game 1 was one of the dumbest managerial moves of all time! That without a doubt can be blamed on Boone! Agree, that is the one move Boone said he wish he had a do over for. |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 1, 2024 9:35:05 GMT -5
100% rizz. not taking anything away from the dodgers but we "lost" this series. they did what good teams should do and take advantage of the opportunities. and we gave them plenty.
what went on in the 5th was right out of the bad news bears. might have been the worst defensive inning i've ever seen from an mlb team. and of course never in such a big spot. similar in game 1 w the 2 misplays.
in both games we had the lead twice and couldn't protect it. then throw in the base running blunders and the bad ABs w risp - you have a recipe for defeat . it all comes down to most basic of fundamentals, where we get a major FAIL. the dodgers did all those things.
have to think a lot of that is on boone and the coaching. Putting in Cortez to blow game 1 was one of the dumbest managerial moves of all time! I'd happily wager a significant sum of money that the plan to use Cortes came from data guru Michael Fishman and the kids at the Yankees front office. Only a man with an Ivy education could be that arrogant. That was a FO move. Boone just follows orders, though he is happier than most doing it. |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 1, 2024 9:46:50 GMT -5
I think Jazz Chisholm did as good a job at 3rd as could be expected from a guy who never player there until this year. I am not criticizing him. I am criticizing the strategy of moving a guy to a new position in the middle of season where you are trying to win a championship.
Volpe did not make a good throw to 3rd in the 5th but a good 3rd baseman comes up with that ball. Not 13's fault, but a regular corner infielder makes that play.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 1, 2024 10:11:40 GMT -5
Putting in Cortez to blow game 1 was one of the dumbest managerial moves of all time! I'd happily wager a significant sum of money that the plan to use Cortes came from data guru Michael Fishman and the kids at the Yankees front office. Only a man with an Ivy education could be that arrogant. That was a FO move. Boone just follows orders, though he is happier than most doing it. I'll disagree Pat, if I had to bet I think it was a collaboration between Blake and Boone. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Nov 1, 2024 12:18:42 GMT -5
That without a doubt can be blamed on Boone! Agree, that is the one move Boone said he wish he had a do over for. To clarify, I don't think he said he regretted bringing in Cortes over Hill. I think he said his regret was not leaving Weaver in. Even though he had gone an inning and two thirds already, he was just at 18 pitches and he said in hindsight he'd have just let him pitch the 9th. Boone stood by bringing in Nestor over Hill I believe. |
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 1, 2024 12:55:14 GMT -5
100% rizz. not taking anything away from the dodgers but we "lost" this series. they did what good teams should do and take advantage of the opportunities. and we gave them plenty.
what went on in the 5th was right out of the bad news bears. might have been the worst defensive inning i've ever seen from an mlb team. and of course never in such a big spot. similar in game 1 w the 2 misplays.
in both games we had the lead twice and couldn't protect it. then throw in the base running blunders and the bad ABs w risp - you have a recipe for defeat . it all comes down to most basic of fundamentals, where we get a major FAIL. the dodgers did all those things.
have to think a lot of that is on boone and the coaching. I'll push back a bit on placing the blame at Boones feet, particularly for the 5th inning. The mistakes were made (with the exception of Volpe) by seasoned veteran ballplayers, Judge, Cole, Rizzo. Even Volpe is no longer a rookie. I don't know how it can be Boones fault that Judge drops an easy fly ball? I don't know how Boone can be blamed for a veteran pitcher not covering first base on a ball hit to the first baseman. These aren't hard plays and are plays these guys have literally made hundreds of times.. I know Boone gets criticized for the team's lack of fundamentals but the players need to make the plays. Is it Boones fault that Gleyber mishandles a routine cutoff throw in game 1 that cost us a run. These guys have been playing the game for a long time, at this point in his career does Judge need to be reminded to keep his eye on the ball when catching it, Cole need to be coached to cover first base, Gleyber to catch an easy one hop throw, Volpe to make an accurate throw for a force out? The base running mistake by Volpe when he didn't score on Wells double was 100% on him. I know he is taught to go half way on that ball, he chose to go back to 2nd. You could tell by how upset he was at 3b that he knew HE made a mistake. I can't blame coaching for that, he knew what he was expected to do and in the heat of the moment decided to do somthing else. Yankees play poor fundamentals but often it is players making bad decisions. The reason you practice fundamentals is to stay sharp for games. Boone decided the Yankees do not need to take infield and outfield practice prior to games. The one year the Yankees practiced base running, they drastically cut down on mistakes. Playing the game does not always allow practice of fundamentals and situational baseball. It is quite possible to get zero chances to run the bases or have a defensive chance during a game, much less fielding a fly while wanting to throw behind the runner at first. Like an old coach told me, “practice doesn’t make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect.” |
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Post by Max on Nov 1, 2024 14:50:02 GMT -5
Verdugo was more consistent than he says. He wasn't good. I thought he'd be a useful addition when Cashman picked him up. Seeing him play, it looked like he spent off time eating donuts. Slow of foot and bat. Maybe he had more talent than he showed. He did not show much. He might have a bounce year playing in Pittsburgh or Oakland. Sometimes a player needs that. I think the only way he's with the Yankees next season is if they don't re-sign Soto. The OF would be LF Verdugo, CF Dominguez, RF Judge. |
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Post by Max on Nov 1, 2024 14:51:02 GMT -5
Clean defense and we’re up 3-2. A couple timely hits, and we’re up 3-2. Situational baseball or “mental timing” if you will is a skill that can be coached. Yep, 6 of the 25 runs we allowed were unearned and that's not even counting the mistakes like not getting an out on the Betts groundball. What's frustrating is the costly errors were made on plays that for the most part should have been routine. In my opinion, that's one of the plays that should be ruled a team error. |
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Post by Max on Nov 1, 2024 14:57:42 GMT -5
agree. none of specific instances can be "blamed" on boone. but my feeling is that there is an overall lack of fundamentals that plagues the team, maybe more so w base running. we've seen it all season. the dodgers made mistakes as well but this was an avalanche. I agree about base running and alot of that blame (IMO) can be placed on the coaching. I think our 3rd base coach had a bad year with sending and holding baserunners. Made too many outs at homeplate with less than 2 outs. Far too many times the Yankees are in the middle of a rally and while 1 base-runner scores, the other base-runner gets tagged out trying to take an extra base because the ball is cut off. |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 1, 2024 15:12:51 GMT -5
Verdugo was more consistent than he says. He wasn't good. I thought he'd be a useful addition when Cashman picked him up. Seeing him play, it looked like he spent off time eating donuts. Slow of foot and bat. Maybe he had more talent than he showed. He did not show much. He might have a bounce year playing in Pittsburgh or Oakland. Sometimes a player needs that. I think the only way he's with the Yankees next season is if they don't re-sign Soto. The OF would be LF Verdugo, CF Dominguez, RF Judge. Agreed. The Yankees want Dominguez to play. It seems that Judge is a Verdugo fan so if Soto signs elsewhere I could see V returning. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 1, 2024 15:27:20 GMT -5
I think the only way he's with the Yankees next season is if they don't re-sign Soto. The OF would be LF Verdugo, CF Dominguez, RF Judge. Agreed. The Yankees want Dominguez to play. It seems that Judge is a Verdugo fan so if Soto signs elsewhere I could see V returning. I had thought about this as well. I'm not a Verdugo fan but could see him having a bounce back year. It would be a better defensive outfield. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 1, 2024 15:32:37 GMT -5
I'll push back a bit on placing the blame at Boones feet, particularly for the 5th inning. The mistakes were made (with the exception of Volpe) by seasoned veteran ballplayers, Judge, Cole, Rizzo. Even Volpe is no longer a rookie. I don't know how it can be Boones fault that Judge drops an easy fly ball? I don't know how Boone can be blamed for a veteran pitcher not covering first base on a ball hit to the first baseman. These aren't hard plays and are plays these guys have literally made hundreds of times.. I know Boone gets criticized for the team's lack of fundamentals but the players need to make the plays. Is it Boones fault that Gleyber mishandles a routine cutoff throw in game 1 that cost us a run. These guys have been playing the game for a long time, at this point in his career does Judge need to be reminded to keep his eye on the ball when catching it, Cole need to be coached to cover first base, Gleyber to catch an easy one hop throw, Volpe to make an accurate throw for a force out? The base running mistake by Volpe when he didn't score on Wells double was 100% on him. I know he is taught to go half way on that ball, he chose to go back to 2nd. You could tell by how upset he was at 3b that he knew HE made a mistake. I can't blame coaching for that, he knew what he was expected to do and in the heat of the moment decided to do somthing else. Yankees play poor fundamentals but often it is players making bad decisions. The reason you practice fundamentals is to stay sharp for games. Boone decided the Yankees do not need to take infield and outfield practice prior to games. The one year the Yankees practiced base running, they drastically cut down on mistakes. Playing the game does not always allow practice of fundamentals and situational baseball. It is quite possible to get zero chances to run the bases or have a defensive chance during a game, much less fielding a fly while wanting to throw behind the runner at first. Like an old coach told me, “practice doesn’t make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect.” OK Rizz, leave it to you to come up with a perspective I hadn't considered. I'll have to think on this a bit and to be honest I'm not sure if what the Yankees are doing pregame varies from most other teams. Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment. Still, the plays that were botched were pretty routine and should have been made. Even making just 1 of 3 routine plays and we probably win. |
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 1, 2024 22:24:13 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Nov 2, 2024 1:19:19 GMT -5
If you enjoy torturing yourself like I do:
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Post by bumper on Nov 2, 2024 9:18:54 GMT -5
Agree, that is the one move Boone said he wish he had a do over for. To clarify, I don't think he said he regretted bringing in Cortes over Hill. I think he said his regret was not leaving Weaver in. Even though he had gone an inning and two thirds already, he was just at 18 pitches and he said in hindsight he'd have just let him pitch the 9th. Boone stood by bringing in Nestor over Hill I believe. wrong inning but agree. he did say he regretted not bringing weaver back out for the 10th and stood by nestor over hill. pretty sure the nestor decision was more organizational. after looking good during the workouts, he was put on the roster to face ohtani in a big spot. and that spot came in that fatal 10th. he did get ohtani. unfortunately ...
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