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Post by Max on Nov 23, 2024 12:42:07 GMT -5
I think 45 million for 12 years is a fair deal for both Soto and the Yankees. I think 12 years is too long. I don't why these owners started handed out these extremely long contracts, it's like they're own worst enemies. LOL! I just recently posted something similar that my dad would say when free agency first started. In my opinion, the Ohtani contract was over the top. So were the contracts the Mets gave Scherzer and Verlander.
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Post by inger on Nov 23, 2024 13:02:21 GMT -5
Depending on his health in 4 yrs, he'd probably do exactly what Cole did...Play a game of chicken with the Yankees and see who blinks first. The Yankees roster will be different in four years. The Stanton, Cole, Rodon and DJ contracts will be off the books. The Yankees might actually have money to spend by then. You always seem to have to pay somebody though. By then, if they work out, you’ll have the Volpe-Gil-Wells group coming up and maybe another couple guys we trade for or sign. Judge might not be as good a value as he is now, etc.. |
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Post by bruner4329 on Nov 23, 2024 13:10:01 GMT -5
If they really felt he would decline in 4 years at the age of 29/30 why would they sign him? The guy has not even reached his pinnacle yet and probably won't for another 5 years. At that point he will flat line at a very high level for another 4 or so years. Point is you will be getting close to 10 years of high production given his age, This is not a 30 year old FA. It’s not that you think he’ll be in decline in 4 years. It’s that you think he’ll be in decline by the end of whatever contract he opts out to sign at that time and THAT contract might not be great on the balance of it because a greater percentage of it will be in his mid to late 30s. So you sign him now because he’s such a young, amazing player like you say. In 3 or 4 years though he’ll have 3 or 4 prime years left but still will want to be signed through his decline, so maybe you let him walk then. So if you win 3 or 4 championships with Soto you don't think it is worth it if the last couple of years are so so? Geez seems like the Dodgers are 1-1 with Ohtani so far. Lets get real you want to sign some big names you have to understand the outer couple of years will probably not be great but its the price you pay to win during the first 75% of the contract. BTW this has been happening for years nothing new. |
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Post by inger on Nov 23, 2024 13:39:56 GMT -5
It’s not that you think he’ll be in decline in 4 years. It’s that you think he’ll be in decline by the end of whatever contract he opts out to sign at that time and THAT contract might not be great on the balance of it because a greater percentage of it will be in his mid to late 30s. So you sign him now because he’s such a young, amazing player like you say. In 3 or 4 years though he’ll have 3 or 4 prime years left but still will want to be signed through his decline, so maybe you let him walk then. So if you win 3 or 4 championships with Soto you don't think it is worth it if the last couple of years are so so? Geez seems like the Dodgers are 1-1 with Ohtani so far. Lets get real you want to sign some big names you have to understand the outer couple of years will probably not be great but its the price you pay to win during the first 75% of the contract. BTW this has been happening for years nothing new. 3 or 4 championships? Wishful thinking, I’m afraid…Let’s win one first, then we can talk. Don’t forget Soto hit .242 in 2022… |
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Post by qimqam on Nov 23, 2024 14:32:15 GMT -5
It’s not that you think he’ll be in decline in 4 years. It’s that you think he’ll be in decline by the end of whatever contract he opts out to sign at that time and THAT contract might not be great on the balance of it because a greater percentage of it will be in his mid to late 30s. So you sign him now because he’s such a young, amazing player like you say. In 3 or 4 years though he’ll have 3 or 4 prime years left but still will want to be signed through his decline, so maybe you let him walk then. Zackly…see Pujols, Albert and Cabrera, Miggy… in 2008 Cabrera signed an 8 year contract at 25 Years old through age 32 ... if they had extended that 4 years to age 36 it would have worked out incredibly well for DET Instead they signed him to another 8 year deal at age 33 ( through age 40) ... that was a terrible move Same Goes for Pujols They signed him to a 7 year deal at age 24 ... if they had made that a 12 year deal it would have worked out fantastic Instead they resigned him to a a 10 year deal at age 32 ( through Age 42) which was a disaster. I would expect Judges contract to be a burden for the final 4 years, which isnt terrible compared to Cabrera and Pujols, but a burden non the less Soto - 12 years ( through Age 37) should be a pretty damn good deal for at least 8-10 years but I wouldnt do a year more than that Give him 12 x 50 for $600m and call it a day |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 23, 2024 17:23:42 GMT -5
Zackly…see Pujols, Albert and Cabrera, Miggy… in 2008 Cabrera signed an 8 year contract at 25 Years old through age 32 ... if they had extended that 4 years to age 36 it would have worked out incredibly well for DET Instead they signed him to another 8 year deal at age 33 ( through age 40) ... that was a terrible move Same Goes for Pujols They signed him to a 7 year deal at age 24 ... if they had made that a 12 year deal it would have worked out fantastic Instead they resigned him to a a 10 year deal at age 32 ( through Age 42) which was a disaster. I would expect Judges contract to be a burden for the final 4 years, which isnt terrible compared to Cabrera and Pujols, but a burden non the less Soto - 12 years ( through Age 37) should be a pretty damn good deal for at least 8-10 years but I wouldnt do a year more than that Give him 12 x 50 for $600m and call it a day The problem is that Boras knows all that too and the Yankees have competition from the Mets and maybe Rogers in Toronto. Both of those guys have money they can burn. I am fine letting Soto walk if he gets offers at $ 600 M. |
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 23, 2024 19:24:54 GMT -5
in 2008 Cabrera signed an 8 year contract at 25 Years old through age 32 ... if they had extended that 4 years to age 36 it would have worked out incredibly well for DET Instead they signed him to another 8 year deal at age 33 ( through age 40) ... that was a terrible move Same Goes for Pujols They signed him to a 7 year deal at age 24 ... if they had made that a 12 year deal it would have worked out fantastic Instead they resigned him to a a 10 year deal at age 32 ( through Age 42) which was a disaster. I would expect Judges contract to be a burden for the final 4 years, which isnt terrible compared to Cabrera and Pujols, but a burden non the less Soto - 12 years ( through Age 37) should be a pretty damn good deal for at least 8-10 years but I wouldnt do a year more than that Give him 12 x 50 for $600m and call it a day The problem is that Boras knows all that too and the Yankees have competition from the Mets and maybe Rogers in Toronto. Both of those guys have money they can burn. I am fine letting Soto walk if he gets offers at $ 600 M. I don't understand why any player who gets that kind of an offer from the Yankees would turn it down, even if some other team offers $50 million more. I mean, they can easily make more than those $50 million simply by endorsing products while being known as a member of the "New York Yankees." With the prestige of the pinstripes comes a lot of benefits that other teams can't offer. |
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 23, 2024 20:21:17 GMT -5
It’s not that you think he’ll be in decline in 4 years. It’s that you think he’ll be in decline by the end of whatever contract he opts out to sign at that time and THAT contract might not be great on the balance of it because a greater percentage of it will be in his mid to late 30s. So you sign him now because he’s such a young, amazing player like you say. In 3 or 4 years though he’ll have 3 or 4 prime years left but still will want to be signed through his decline, so maybe you let him walk then. So if you win 3 or 4 championships with Soto you don't think it is worth it if the last couple of years are so so? Geez seems like the Dodgers are 1-1 with Ohtani so far. Lets get real you want to sign some big names you have to understand the outer couple of years will probably not be great but its the price you pay to win during the first 75% of the contract. BTW this has been happening for years nothing new. You can't give Ohtani credit for the Dodgers winning the World Series. Ohtani did not drive in a single run in 5 games. |
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Post by inger on Nov 23, 2024 23:30:35 GMT -5
Zackly…see Pujols, Albert and Cabrera, Miggy… in 2008 Cabrera signed an 8 year contract at 25 Years old through age 32 ... if they had extended that 4 years to age 36 it would have worked out incredibly well for DET Instead they signed him to another 8 year deal at age 33 ( through age 40) ... that was a terrible move Same Goes for Pujols They signed him to a 7 year deal at age 24 ... if they had made that a 12 year deal it would have worked out fantastic Instead they resigned him to a a 10 year deal at age 32 ( through Age 42) which was a disaster. I would expect Judges contract to be a burden for the final 4 years, which isnt terrible compared to Cabrera and Pujols, but a burden non the less Soto - 12 years ( through Age 37) should be a pretty damn good deal for at least 8-10 years but I wouldnt do a year more than that Give him 12 x 50 for $600m and call it a day Excellent recap… |
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Post by Max on Nov 24, 2024 10:29:15 GMT -5
Zackly…see Pujols, Albert and Cabrera, Miggy… in 2008 Cabrera signed an 8 year contract at 25 Years old through age 32 ... if they had extended that 4 years to age 36 it would have worked out incredibly well for DET Instead they signed him to another 8 year deal at age 33 ( through age 40) ... that was a terrible move Same Goes for Pujols They signed him to a 7 year deal at age 24 ... if they had made that a 12 year deal it would have worked out fantastic Instead they resigned him to a a 10 year deal at age 32 ( through Age 42) which was a disaster. I would expect Judges contract to be a burden for the final 4 years, which isnt terrible compared to Cabrera and Pujols, but a burden non the less Soto - 12 years ( through Age 37) should be a pretty damn good deal for at least 8-10 years but I wouldnt do a year more than that Give him 12 x 50 for $600m and call it a day In my opinion, the Yankees should give the extra 2 years if that's what it going to take to re-sign Soto. Over the time of that contract the Luxury tax threshold is going to go up, and a lot of the big contracts that Yankees have now are going to come off the books.. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 24, 2024 11:38:44 GMT -5
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 24, 2024 12:27:55 GMT -5
in 2008 Cabrera signed an 8 year contract at 25 Years old through age 32 ... if they had extended that 4 years to age 36 it would have worked out incredibly well for DET Instead they signed him to another 8 year deal at age 33 ( through age 40) ... that was a terrible move Same Goes for Pujols They signed him to a 7 year deal at age 24 ... if they had made that a 12 year deal it would have worked out fantastic Instead they resigned him to a a 10 year deal at age 32 ( through Age 42) which was a disaster. I would expect Judges contract to be a burden for the final 4 years, which isnt terrible compared to Cabrera and Pujols, but a burden non the less Soto - 12 years ( through Age 37) should be a pretty damn good deal for at least 8-10 years but I wouldnt do a year more than that Give him 12 x 50 for $600m and call it a day In my opinion, the Yankees should give the extra 2 years if that's what it going to take to re-sign Soto. Over the time of that contract the Luxury tax threshold is going to go up, and a lot of the big contracts that Yankees have now are going to come off the books.. The role of the LT and its future is a big factor no one else raised. I think future MLB bargaining might raise the penatlies and increase revenue sharing for small market teams. They do have a majority of votes. |
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Post by Max on Nov 24, 2024 13:38:46 GMT -5
In my opinion, the Yankees should give the extra 2 years if that's what it going to take to re-sign Soto. Over the time of that contract the Luxury tax threshold is going to go up, and a lot of the big contracts that Yankees have now are going to come off the books.. The role of the LT and its future is a big factor no one else raised. I think future MLB bargaining might raise the penatlies and increase revenue sharing for small market teams. They do have a majority of votes. They might, but that still doesn't mean that the Luxury Tax threshold won't go up. |
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Post by Max on Nov 24, 2024 13:41:14 GMT -5
So if you win 3 or 4 championships with Soto you don't think it is worth it if the last couple of years are so so? Geez seems like the Dodgers are 1-1 with Ohtani so far. Lets get real you want to sign some big names you have to understand the outer couple of years will probably not be great but its the price you pay to win during the first 75% of the contract. BTW this has been happening for years nothing new. You can't give Ohtani credit for the Dodgers winning the World Series. Ohtani did not drive in a single run in 5 games. But Ohtani gets credit for making them a much better team. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 24, 2024 13:51:07 GMT -5
The role of the LT and its future is a big factor no one else raised. I think future MLB bargaining might raise the penatlies and increase revenue sharing for small market teams. They do have a majority of votes. They might, but that still doesn't mean that the Luxury Tax threshold won't go up. I don't know this for a fact and at one point I was going to do some research but didn't get around to it, but it feels like salaries have been rising at a much larger percentage than the LT Cap. |
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