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Post by Max on Nov 21, 2024 14:27:57 GMT -5
first of all would "like" for us to sign soto but it comes with caveats and red flags. don't care how young a player is, these contracts never work out. hard pressed to remember one. the poster child for this is albert pujols and yeah he was 5 yrs older than soto. but his drop off after signing the contract is dramatic. in his 11 years w the cards prior to the contract, he was top 5 in the mvp voting 10 of those years with one season where he finished 9th. with the angels the best he did was two 17th place finishes. in those 11 cardinal years he had a 86.6 war w .328 ba 40 hr 121 rbi 1.037 ops. over the first 6 yrs of the angel's contract he had 12.6 war w .262 ba 28 hr 98 rbi .777 ops. not bad but nowhere near his cardinal production and he went down from there. i'd be thrilled if we could sign him for 8-10 yrs. but that ain't happening. probably more like 12-15 yrs. question is do we go there. problem is while you might get 6 yrs of great production. are those great years worth the years he'd be a drag on the back end. see pujols, arod, trout, cano, stanton and others. again can't remember one that worked. plan b - maybe you switch the focus to pitching. sign a co-ace like burnes, sasaki, or fried. get a closer to pair w weaver. for position change the focus to defense, contact and speed. it won't be the shock and awe we featured this season but perhaps it's overall a more balanced team. My Dad helped build a strong union was naturally pro union, pro player. But, when free agency first started even he said that owners shouldn't offer everyday players no more than a 5 year contract, and pitchers no more than a 3 year contract. He added that was never going to happen, but he was happy for the players.
As I've posted, I like the idea of the Yankees signing Burnes. Freid would also be a nice fit for the Yankees, signing him would add another lefty to the Yankees rotation. If they are going to sign a free agent Closer, I hope they sign lefty, Tanner Scott.
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Post by Max on Nov 21, 2024 14:35:21 GMT -5
first of all would "like" for us to sign soto but it comes with caveats and red flags. don't care how young a player is, these contracts never work out. hard pressed to remember one. the poster child for this is albert pujols and yeah he was 5 yrs older than soto. but his drop off after signing the contract is dramatic. in his 11 years w the cards prior to the contract, he was top 5 in the mvp voting 10 of those years with one season where he finished 9th. with the angels the best he did was two 17th place finishes. in those 11 cardinal years he had a 86.6 war w .328 ba 40 hr 121 rbi 1.037 ops. over the first 6 yrs of the angel's contract he had 12.6 war w .262 ba 28 hr 98 rbi .777 ops. not bad but nowhere near his cardinal production and he went down from there. i'd be thrilled if we could sign him for 8-10 yrs. but that ain't happening. probably more like 12-15 yrs. question is do we go there. problem is while you might get 6 yrs of great production. are those great years worth the years he'd be a drag on the back end. see pujols, arod, trout, cano, stanton and others. again can't remember one that worked. plan b - maybe you switch the focus to pitching. sign a co-ace like burnes, sasaki, or fried. get a closer to pair w weaver. for position change the focus to defense, contact and speed. it won't be the shock and awe we featured this season but perhaps it's overall a more balanced team. Longer contracts are definitely risky, but the same think applies to the pitchers you're signing too. You mention the first 6 years of Pujols' Angels contract and how he fell off and how that could happen with Soto even though he's younger... wouldn't that be MORE likely to apply to the Pitchers you suggest like Burnes or Fried considering they're actually the same age Pujols was. Sasaki is a different story because he's so young, but he also won't cost much money to sign with the posting rules. So signing him really isn't tied to what they do or don't spend on Soto and isn't particularly relevant to the decision of paying him or splitting between multiple players. The thing with Sasaki is that he might not be eligible to sign until January. Don't get me wrong, I want the Yankees to sign him, but there are other teams with more international money than the Yankees.
If they Yankees don't resign Soto, they should sign either Burnes or Fried. As you said Sasaki won't cost that much, so if the Yankees can sign him even after signing Burnes or Fried, that would be icing on the cake.  |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Nov 22, 2024 9:28:44 GMT -5
For me, the decision to sign Burnes or Fried (or Snell) shouldn't be tied to Soto. I wouldn't reallocate money from Soto to a starting pitcher. I'd be trying to add one anyway via finding a taker for Stroman's and Cortes' salary slots. I'd be trying to trade both. I imagine they might need to attach some prospects to Stroman to clear that money ($18.3M salary, $18.5M tax number for us), while I imagine Cortes has some positive value on his projected $8.3M salary through arbitration. Whether Soto is retained or not, I'd be looking to swap that money out so it can be reallocated to a top of the rotation arm. Right now we have 6 rotation caliber starters but no legit #2, so that's a reallocation that makes sense. Because of the unique nature of Sasaki's international free agent status it's coming out of international bonus pool money which is basically nothing. So they should be pursuing him no matter what else happens financially.
Dominguez seems poised to take over the OF spot left vacant by Verdugo, and has the prospect pedigree to back that up. We have some high-minors IF prospects with enough projectability (mainly Durbin) to feel ok about penciling them in as a replacement for Torres on the IF at 2B or 3B depending on where they play Chisholm (though if Soto leaves, a 1 year deal for someone like Jorge Polanco might make sense in the budget to at least provide some insurance and depth). But they don't have any viable in-house replacement/upgrade for Rizzo at 1B and they don't have a second OF ready to step in for Soto if he walks. So I think if Soto leaves and they have money to spend, they have to be allocating that back to offensive options at those spots.
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Post by ypaterson on Nov 22, 2024 9:52:46 GMT -5
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Post by cocopugg on Nov 22, 2024 12:35:45 GMT -5
Longer contracts are definitely risky, but the same think applies to the pitchers you're signing too. You mention the first 6 years of Pujols' Angels contract and how he fell off and how that could happen with Soto even though he's younger... wouldn't that be MORE likely to apply to the Pitchers you suggest like Burnes or Fried considering they're actually the same age Pujols was. Sasaki is a different story because he's so young, but he also won't cost much money to sign with the posting rules. So signing him really isn't tied to what they do or don't spend on Soto and isn't particularly relevant to the decision of paying him or splitting between multiple players. and then you have cohen saying he'll outbid by $50 mil. And who's to say if Cohen outbids the Yankees by $50 mil, that Soto and Boras will say ok to that? They may reason that Yankees endorsements (and the prestige of wearing the pinstripes) will translate into a lot more than $50 million over the course of 12-15 years than wearing a Mets uniform will (which is probably a correct assumption...I mean, what names open people's eyes more...Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Judge, or Seaver, Strawberry, Gooden, Wright, Lindor?). It's all just a billionaire soap opera, with a lot of details yet to be discussed by the players involved in it. |
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Post by stu on Nov 22, 2024 13:09:24 GMT -5
I think for a while it's been assumed he would eventually move to 1b being a pretty big guy for SS (he's 6'4"). He does have a bit of a spotty history of injuries, but maybe a move off of SS would help him stay on the field more consistently. He's a very talented hitter, no questions there. Better than any current free agent not named Soto. Does Texas want to move him? What would they be looking for in return? Or are they thinking more of moving Lowe and shifting Seager to 1b themselves? If they were looking to salary dump him and didn't demand much back in the way of prospects it could be tempting but I have no idea what they would want or get offered by other teams. What would it mean for Judge long term if Seager takes over 1b for the next 7 years? That might be the biggest roadblock compared to someone like Lowe or Walker. |
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Post by Max on Nov 22, 2024 13:19:29 GMT -5
For me, the decision to sign Burnes or Fried (or Snell) shouldn't be tied to Soto. I wouldn't reallocate money from Soto to a starting pitcher. I'd be trying to add one anyway via finding a taker for Stroman's and Cortes' salary slots. I'd be trying to trade both. I agree, if the Yankees can find the money to do so. |
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Nov 22, 2024 13:24:13 GMT -5
I think for a while it's been assumed he would eventually move to 1b being a pretty big guy for SS (he's 6'4"). He does have a bit of a spotty history of injuries, but maybe a move off of SS would help him stay on the field more consistently. He's a very talented hitter, no questions there. Better than any current free agent not named Soto. Does Texas want to move him? What would they be looking for in return? Or are they thinking more of moving Lowe and shifting Seager to 1b themselves? If they were looking to salary dump him and didn't demand much back in the way of prospects it could be tempting but I have no idea what they would want or get offered by other teams. What would it mean for Judge long term if Seager takes over 1b for the next 7 years? That might be the biggest roadblock compared to someone like Lowe or Walker. Stanton only has 3 years left on his contract, so the DH spot would be open for Judge or Seager as well, along with 1B. It gets more crowded if Soto were retained to go with acquiring Seager because he really should be moved to DH as soon as possible because he's a terrible outfielder. But Judge's contract is 7 more seasons which would run through Soto's age 32 season. So even though he's a terrible outfielder, he should be able to physically play RF (especially in Yankee stadium) through the end of Judge's deal if he needs to. It will be bad defense but he's young enough that he won't physically break down or anything if he needs to stay in the OF for 7 more years (besides normal rotation through the DH spot of course). |
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Post by Max on Nov 22, 2024 13:25:00 GMT -5
cohen saying he'll outbid by $50 mil.
I will believe that, when I see it. |
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Post by Max on Nov 22, 2024 13:29:21 GMT -5
Corey Seager is owed about $230 M over the next 7 years. His season ended early in 2024 with hip issues that limited his play at SS and he only had 480 at bats for the year. And with all that he still hit 30 home runs and had an OBP of 353. Understanding that his days at SS are over I still think he is a trade target for the Yankees. Anyone who can play SS can learn how to handle 1st base. Texas is one of the teams looking to cut payroll. And Seager is a kid local to New Jersey who should be an instant favorite in pinstipes. Assuming the Yankees cannot sign Soto could Seager be part of the replacement package ? He could be the Yankees answer to who will play 1B. But again, the question is...What player or players do the Rangers want from the Yankees.
There's some speculation that if the Yankees don't re-sign Soto, they will try to sign a combination of the following players...Bregman, Burnes, Walker, Santander, Fried.
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Post by stu on Nov 22, 2024 17:09:32 GMT -5
3 or 4 years for 45 million a year would actually be a great deal even if he were to opt out.
Reel him in Hal!
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Post by inger on Nov 22, 2024 17:19:54 GMT -5
3 or 4 years for 45 million a year would actually be a great deal even if he were to opt out. Reel him in Hal! Let him walk after 4 and watch the decline from a distance… |
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