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Post by chiyankee on Oct 7, 2017 8:33:33 GMT -5
Basically Girardi used this strategy in the Wild Card game. Severino was terrible and Girardi did pull him, Robertson was in the 4th inning etc etc, but the question is why not continue to use this strategy in this series as well? I think Baseball is going away from the defined roles thing. Look at this playoffs so far. We have had frontline starters go down one by one. Severino, Santana, Gray, Grienke, Sale, Gray, Pomeranz. All these starters that are either #1 or #2 in the rotation all didnt make it past 5 innings. Andrew Miller pitched 30 pitches last night and 15 tonight and was effective both times. Yet we have Robertson where we were making excuses for him that he threw 41 pitches 3 days ago. Does it make Robertson less effective sure, but if Andrew miller can throw 45 pitches in a 2 day span why are we making excuses for Robertson? Why is Girardi so adamant on this roles thing and worrying about scenarios that might never come to existence? When we see other managers including the one directly across from the dugout not doing these things. I don't think it's the same situation. Robertson threw 52 pitches against the Twins, the most he ever threw in his career and last night Griardi brought him into the game in the 6th inning, had him pitch the 7th and then brought him back in for the 8th. Classic overuse by a manager on full blown panic mode. Also, did anyone notice Francona had a quick hook for Miller last night? There is a reason for that. |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 7, 2017 9:00:34 GMT -5
Basically Girardi used this strategy in the Wild Card game. Severino was terrible and Girardi did pull him, Robertson was in the 4th inning etc etc, but the question is why not continue to use this strategy in this series as well? I think Baseball is going away from the defined roles thing. Look at this playoffs so far. We have had frontline starters go down one by one. Severino, Santana, Gray, Grienke, Sale, Gray, Pomeranz. All these starters that are either #1 or #2 in the rotation all didnt make it past 5 innings. Andrew Miller pitched 30 pitches last night and 15 tonight and was effective both times. Yet we have Robertson where we were making excuses for him that he threw 41 pitches 3 days ago. Does it make Robertson less effective sure, but if Andrew miller can throw 45 pitches in a 2 day span why are we making excuses for Robertson? Why is Girardi so adamant on this roles thing and worrying about scenarios that might never come to existence? When we see other managers including the one directly across from the dugout not doing these things. I don't think it's the same situation. Robertson threw 52 pitches against the Twins, the most he ever threw in his career and last night Griardi brought him into the game in the 6th inning, had him pitch the 7th and then brought him back in for the 8th. Classic overuse by a manager on full blown panic mode. Also, did anyone notice Francona had a quick hook for Miller last night? There is a reason for that. [thumbsup] Agreement in total. |
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Post by inger on Oct 7, 2017 10:06:35 GMT -5
I honestly became concerned when Girardi pulled CC out of the game at 77 pitches. I could feel the panic mode setting in, and I realized that he was putting Green in a bad situation...You can only go to the well so many times, and with CC on a nice little roll, I would have let him at least attempt to finish that inning...I could see the disappointment on CC's face.
Look, get CC through the inning...or else do a match up change if he gives up another hit. Then go to Green in the 7th, or even Robertson at that point. Remember the past few games and keep the leashes short.
If he wouldn't have pulled CC, the replay wouldn't have even been an issue. Pulling CC was what lost the game in my mind...
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 7, 2017 10:30:35 GMT -5
I don't think it's the same situation. Robertson threw 52 pitches against the Twins, the most he ever threw in his career and last night Griardi brought him into the game in the 6th inning, had him pitch the 7th and then brought him back in for the 8th. Classic overuse by a manager on full blown panic mode. Also, did anyone notice Francona had a quick hook for Miller last night? There is a reason for that. ![[thumbsup]](//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/GQenTev0hfkprTOBBlGu.gif) Agreement in total. Could we get this story straight? One post said 41 pitches which is what I based my opinion on. Was it really 52? If it was 52 I understand. Plus I think the point both of you are trying to make is Girardi got a little greedy and shouldn't have had him start the 8th when he just got 4 outs from him prior? Ok in that sense I agree. |
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Post by inger on Oct 7, 2017 10:35:39 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 7, 2017 10:44:07 GMT -5
Ok it was 52. Thats a totally different story. Ok then I agree with the point he should have had a short leash like miller did. Starting the 8th was being way too greedy when Chapman, Betances, etc was available. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 7, 2017 10:56:05 GMT -5
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Post by sierchio on Oct 7, 2017 14:19:22 GMT -5
SMFH
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Oct 7, 2017 14:44:29 GMT -5
Down with Girardi!
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Post by kaybli on Oct 7, 2017 16:19:20 GMT -5
Maddening. Girardi has two challenges in his pocket in the sixth inning and doesn't use them in a spot to end the inning, when from the seventh inning on umpires don't require manager challenges to review replays. Girardi deserves the best punter in the NFL to kick him in the nuts, over and over, until he drops his binder. [rofl] |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 7, 2017 16:47:25 GMT -5
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Oct 7, 2017 17:28:28 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Oct 7, 2017 17:41:54 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 7, 2017 17:59:06 GMT -5
So, Girardi says that he screwed up, except that he may not have in an alternate reality.
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Post by kaybli on Oct 7, 2017 18:24:11 GMT -5
So, Girardi says that he screwed up, except that he may not have in an alternate reality. [rofl] pretty much. |
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Agreement in total.
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