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Post by domeplease on Sept 18, 2018 13:35:57 GMT -5
Trying to be more open minded towards millennials, but it’s hard🙈 Folks said the same thing about the my generation during the 60's & 70's. Tried harder...
However, at times they really piss me off when it comes to voting. We fought so hard to get the Right To Vote for 18-years and now their (The Youth) voting turnaround is dismal.
And then there are the GEN Z's smarter, more tech etc.
Change is GOOD. It just takes a while to get adjusted to it; if not than WE become 'The Left Behinds'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 7:01:36 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently a lot of millennials bitched about the election, but didn’t bother to vote. My niece was one of them. She said, “ eww. I’m not standing in line with all of those old people to vote.” Say what you will about Trumpers. At least they care enough to vote.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 19, 2018 7:19:41 GMT -5
Trying to be more open minded towards millennials, but it’s hard🙈 Folks said the same thing about the my generation during the 60's & 70's. Tried harder...
However, at times they really piss me off when it comes to voting. We fought so hard to get the Right To Vote for 18-years and now their (The Youth) voting turnaround is dismal.
And then there are the GEN Z's smarter, more tech etc.
Change is GOOD. It just takes a while to get adjusted to it; if not than WE become 'The Left Behinds'.
Change for change's sake is not good. Arbitrary change imposed on an entire populous by the mandate of an anointed political class is not good. Organic change is good.
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 19, 2018 10:15:31 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently a lot of millennials bitched about the election, but didn’t bother to vote. My niece was one of them. She said, “ eww. I’m not standing in line with all of those old people to vote.” Say what you will about Trumpers. At least they care enough to vote. Good point and if you're going to bitch and complain about Trump all the time, then for the next election, offer up a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. Did Trump really win the past election or did Hillary lose it?
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Post by inger on Sept 19, 2018 22:02:06 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently a lot of millennials bitched about the election, but didn’t bother to vote. My niece was one of them. She said, “ eww. I’m not standing in line with all of those old people to vote.” Say what you will about Trumpers. At least they care enough to vote. Good point and if you're going to bitch and complain about Trump all the time, then for the next election, offer up a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. Did Trump really win the past election or did Hillary lose it? The way I viewed that election, the dems simply had no one to oppose Hilary, which gave her a strong sense of entitlement that didn’t play well with the voters. The reps didn’t have anyone at all, which allowed a third party candidate to run under the ruse of being a republican. Had the Republican Party fielded a strong candidate and Trump been forced to run as a true third party candidate the American voters might have stepped out of their idiot comfort zone far enough to give Trump 20-25% of the vote, which might have been enough to at the least smear the electoral college from the traditional election result. It was an ingenious protest vote campaign pulled off by Trump, especially considering that his supporters were literally coming out of the woods, many living in shanties and a very different lifestyle from their candidate. Call it anything you want today, but that was the most brilliant sneak attack ever pulled in American politics in my lifetime...or at least since JFK stole the 1960 election with a smile and some family slight of hand...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 22:42:37 GMT -5
Good points, inger. Agree. Hope its a oncer.
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Post by inger on Sept 20, 2018 9:45:58 GMT -5
I’d like to see this country grow a decent following for alternative candidates. One unfortunate aspect of that will be the possibility that the office will be won by an athlete, actor/actress, newscaster, podcaster, etc. as it becomes more a popularity contest than about true qualification. Sadly, “qualification” at this point in time means experience, and the game is more of a shell game than anything else...
President or not, guys like Donald and his cronies are going to get more say about what we do than anyone else. They got their way in high school, they got their way in college, and they get their way now and probably will after the apocalypse. They’ll be putting cockroaches to work gathering all the left over Wal Mart bags and pvc piping...the new wealth of the era...
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Post by domeplease on Sept 20, 2018 11:09:50 GMT -5
As a young teenager my Father would warn me as we sat down for dinner: "I do NOT want to hear from your mouth; Religion, Sex, Politics or what the F..king Chocolate Easter Bunny has to do with Easter...do YOU understand me you dumb-shit; or do I need to say it in Chinese?"
Trust me, I try really hard, real, real hard...but I couldn't, I had to say something about the above & boy, did I pay for my statements." I never learned. And as you can see from the Post below, I still haven't learned:
08-27-18: The Catholic Church & The Pope have their MORE than their hands full of Child Sex Abuse Issues (just Disgusting, Vile & Evil).
They have had MORE recent outbreaks of this vile, evil, disgusting situation in Chile, Australia & of course America.
Before the latest outbreak in America, The Church had already paid out $3.6 Billion to 8,600 America victims in prior years.
It will only get worse: Now the authorities, have open investigations in Missouri, Illinois, Wyoming etc.
Wait until this awful outbreak of Evil comes out in Mexico, Central & South America; wait for it, wait for it, wait for it…
Germany just announced their Findings on 09-12-18 & sadly it was the same disgusting/vile events.
To be Fair, at least 90% of ALL Religions in America/Globally, have had some kind of Sexual Child Abuses and/or Sexual Assaults on Women, Events.
Maybe we should change the way Priests/Bishops, etc. say the Sign of the Cross…
Instead of saying (as they make the Sign of the Cross) “In the Name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, AMEN.”
They should be saying: “In the Name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, Little Boys & Girls, AMEN.”
--09-13-18: edition.cnn.com/2018/09/12/europe/germany-sexual-abuse-catholic-church-intl/index.html (CNN) — A new report from Germany's Catholic Church admits to "at least" 3,766 cases of child sex abuse by the clergy between 1946 and 2014, according to local publications Die Zeit and Spiegel Online who have seen a leaked copy.
The report -- commissioned by the German Bishops' Conference and conducted by the Universities of Giessen, Heidelberg and Mannheim -- has taken four years to assemble and will be released in full on September 25.
According to both media outlets, the study says the victims were mostly boys, mor than half of whom were aged 13 or younger. Every sixth case involved a rape and at least 1,670 clergy were involved, the report also reveals.
"We know the extent of the sexual abuse that has been demonstrated by the study. We are dismayed and ashamed by it," Bishop Stephan Ackermann said in a written statement to CNN responding to reports of the leak.
Ackermann said in the statement that the aim of the study was to "gain more clarity and transparency about this dark side of our church, for the sake of those affected, but also to see for ourselves the wrongdoings and to ensure this cannot be repeated."
--09-13-18: edition.cnn.com/2018/09/13/europe/pope-sexual-abuse-us-bishops-intl/index.html
--09-13-18: edition.cnn.com/2018/09/12/europe/germany-sexual-abuse-catholic-church-intl/index.html?ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__091318
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 21:58:22 GMT -5
Figured you'd be all over Kavanaugh by now, DoMe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 4:50:31 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll get the conversation rolling. Are we about to put the second sexual predator Supreme Court justice in power? So women’s issues will be decided by a court that has over 22% of its membership accused of harassing or attempting to rape women. Also, the defence of this person will start and end with, why did you wait so long to come forward? 11 old white men passing judgement on a woman who had her life changed forever. 🤦♀️
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 21, 2018 9:22:32 GMT -5
Ok, I’ll get the conversation rolling. Are we about to put the second sexual predator Supreme Court justice in power? So women’s issues will be decided by a court that has over 22% of its membership accused of harassing or attempting to rape women. Also, the defence of this person will start and end with, why did you wait so long to come forward? 11 old white men passing judgement on a woman who had her life changed forever. 🤦♀️ Here we have our resident self-proclaimed "independent" repeating far-Left platitudes. This is a text book example of partisan hackery and social justice virtue signaling. The defense of Kavanaugh in this case absolutely does not start and end with "why did you wait so long to come forward?" and has absolutely nothing to do with the age, race, or gender of the Senators sitting on the SJC. There is a difference between an allegation and a credible/corroborated allegation. This is not to say this incident did not actually occur but we truly do not have any way of knowing that at this point, especially given the information and evidence as currently provided. We do not presume guilt in this country and in the absence of any corroborating details it is not acceptable to just say "well she said it so it must be true." Nobody who takes that approach is interested in discovering the truth or protecting due process. This is not even to mention that claims of higher profile and of higher consequence (historic consequence in this case) should be subject to extra scrutiny, not less. Destroying people's lives based on this level of standard is an extraordinarily dangerous game and how you cripple a free society. This willingness to destroy a person's life without all of the facts is disgusting and dangerous. The fact that the allegation is four decades old and the fact that Feinstein sat on (basically hid) it for two months if we are to believe it was to be taken super seriously, are just a piece of the credibility puzzle. In addition, there are basic details missing (where the party took place, when it was, transportation to/from, etc.), there are no corroborating witnesses or accounts, the story does not reconcile with what was in the supposed psychiatrist notes, every other person who has been named as being present has firmly denied that this ever occurred, the accuser is basically refusing to go on the record (either saying we wont speak to the committee or saying that will but only after delays and with conditions they know to be non-starters). Then you have Ford saying she never told anyone about this incident for 30 years but then people (like this woman Christina King Miranda) coming out and claiming yea everyone knew about this it was all over school at the time then having to basically back-track that statement saying it wasnt really truthful after all (clearly always just meant to be a poison pill)...this hurts the credibility of the claim even further. Then you have the Democrat talking heads and politicians screaming that this woman must be heard then two seconds later saying its all a big scam to have her come testify. Kavanaugh and Judge have also made legally binding statements to the Senate with Kavanaugh stating immediately and unequivocally that he is willing to testify about this to clear his name. Blasey Ford (the accuser) and the Democrats, on the other hand, appear to be doing everything possible to ensure she does not have to go on the record. This is another telling part of the equation in the credibility calculus. There is a reason that a HuffPo poll (hardly right-wing) yielded results showing only 26% of people find these claims to be credible, including just 25% of women. Another 32% of respondents said they need to hear more and 14% were "not sure"...which is to basically say, there is not enough information to destroy this person based on the information currently presented. If this was like Roy Moore, with evidence and corroboration (even though one major piece of their evidence did turn out to be partially forged), I'd be right there with you. There was enough there, even with 40 year old allegations, to say (at the very least) okay theres serious questions about this person. That level does not exist here with what is currently known yet everyone's minds seem already made up. Blasey Ford should come in Monday and tell her story. Kavanaugh, being granted his constitutional right to due process, should then be granted the same forum to defend himself. The vote should follow as scheduled. A final thought, especially being Ive rambled on and know I have few (if any) allies on this board when it comes to these topics, is that the judiciary does not "decide on women's issues." The role of the judiciary in our constitutional system is to interpret the law as written and rule on its constitutionality. What you are thinking of is the legislature. We should all be fighting for a constitutional originalist judiciary that interprets the Constitution as written with original intent in mind, and force the legislature (the people's representatives) to make changes to the law or constitution if that is what the population wants (collectively as a nation if there is enough support or on a more localized basis). This is a core foundational tenet of American federalism but its become increasingly clear that what the Left really wants is to impose their will by weaponizing the judiciary (9 unelected individuals in black robes).
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Post by inger on Sept 21, 2018 20:03:24 GMT -5
With all the sexual misconduct cases flying around right now it’s so difficult to know who did what, but these thirty year old cases that are emerging must be really tough to prove. So is it the young woman’s life that was ruined all those many years ago, or is it the man’s life that could potentially be ruined today?
I don’t know the answer to that, but I do know that the hormones are running rampant when we’re young for both sexes. Alcohol often flows freely at parties, causing wrong messages to be conveyed and/or perceived and all of a sudden two people are in the coat closet for a brief encounter that turns out poorly.
If that’s all this was, then it should never have been dredged up. But was it more? Unfortunately in the court of public opinion all it often takes is an accusation of wrong-doing and a gullible listener to presume guilt.
I don’t know how the young lady was dressed that night, if she was drinking or had been flirtatious. I don’t know if he had been drinking, has been spurned, etc.. At this point she she he groped, he says he didn’t. Is that right? Groped, not raped? That’s what I believe I’ve been hearing and reading. If so, and if she got a smack in, she should figure it even and go about her life...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 0:21:39 GMT -5
I’ve voted a Republican in four of the last six Presidential elections, so I’ll leave that to the readers imagination to ascertain if that might qualify me as an Independent or not. We know with mich, any ideas much to the left of Alex Smith probably denote unpatriotic, radical sympathies, so most of what he says politically ( he is more importantly a studious Yankee fan) should be taken in that context. All witnesses should be called in this case if there are any. They should testify under oath. Then and only then can we arrive at the truth. Apparently Ford has been receiving death threats and has had to relocate for fears of her personal safety. One of her supporters has also been harassed for speaking her mind. All of this is part and parcel of the type of thuggery people will resort to in service to this corrupt administration. This is exactly why people are afraid to come forward until years later. Sexual predators not only subject their victims to the inhumanity of violence and subjication during the act itself, but can strike again by destroying the victim’s credibility when they are called out. If the prospective SC justice is really interested in practicing what he says is his dedication to fairness and honesty, then what a more perfect opportunity to model that behavior than now?
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Post by inger on Sept 22, 2018 0:57:37 GMT -5
I’ve voted a Republican in four of the last six Presidential elections, so I’ll leave that to the readers imagination to ascertain if that might qualify me as an Independent or not. We know with mich, any ideas much to the left of Alex Smith probably denote unpatriotic, radical sympathies, so most of what he says politically ( he is more importantly a studious Yankee fan) should be taken in that context. All witnesses should be called in this case if there are any. They should testify under oath. Then and only then can we arrive at the truth. Apparently Ford has been receiving death threats and has had to relocate for fears of her personal safety. One of her supporters has also been harassed for speaking her mind. All of this is part and parcel of the type of thuggery people will resort to in service to this corrupt administration. This is exactly why people are afraid to come forward until years later. Sexual predators not only subject their victims to the inhumanity of violence and subjication during the act itself, but can strike again by destroying the victim’s credibility when they are called out. If the prospective SC justice is really interested in practicing what he says is his dedication to fairness and honesty, then what a more perfect opportunity to model that behavior than now? Of course. The truth is what's important. I don't know exactly how to get to that point in this case, but it sure would be nice...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 1:06:41 GMT -5
Inger, why should it matter if she was drinking or what she wore. I was under the impression that a person’s body was not fair game to touch unless permission is given. People who do otherwise are predators by definition.
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