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Post by inger on Sept 22, 2018 1:48:54 GMT -5
Inger, why should it matter if she was drinking or what she wore. I was under the impression that a person’s body was not fair game to touch unless permission is given. People who do otherwise are predators by definition. Yes. Both men and women that are out of control or intoxicated can instigate predation. We also don’t know at this point if she was typically passed around among the boys or chaste. Whether she was flaunting, flirting, luring, indeed whether permission may have been given. Of course, moderate drinking may not impede behavior in men or women, but excessive drinking may lead either sex to behave irrationally. Of course women have a right to wear flattering clothes without expectation of more than eyeballs on their flesh, but sometimes the clothes come off a bit easier under the influence. To me all facts should be considered. It’s very important that all participants and witnesses testify so we can know who these people were and how they behaved at that point in their lives, that’s all. Let’s face it, in new relationships that become quickly sexually charged there are seldom questions asked like, may I touch your ass? Now, how about your bosom? Both parties will then communicate without words in many ways. The slightest push away of a hand by a lady would be the stop sign. If that doesn’t happen and she’s also handling certain parts of the male, or allowing him to open buttons on her clothing, her message is quite clear...
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 22, 2018 6:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 7:50:04 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s the case here, inger. He supposedly put his hand over her mouth and pinned her down.
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Post by domeplease on Sept 22, 2018 8:27:56 GMT -5
Sept 21, 2018 23:21:39 GMT -6 chuckthblade said: All witnesses should be called in this case if there are any. They should testify under oath. Then and only then can we arrive at the truth.
Apparently Ford has been receiving death threats and has had to relocate for fears of her personal safety.
One of her supporters has also been harassed for speaking her mind. All of this is part and parcel of the type of thuggery people will resort to in service to this corrupt administration.
This is exactly why people are afraid to come forward until years later. Sexual predators not only subject their victims to the inhumanity of violence and subjication during the act itself, but can strike again by destroying the victim’s credibility when they are called out.
If the prospective SC justice is really interested in practicing what he says is his dedication to fairness and honesty, then what a more perfect opportunity to model that behavior than now?
DO ME’s THOUGHTS = BRAVO!!! Sadly, it shows the Piss-Poor State of our Country; when she is getting Death Threats (A Crime).
Says, a lot about Today’s United Statess of Donald. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sept 21, 2018 19:03:24 GMT -6 inger said: With all the sexual misconduct cases flying around right now it’s so difficult to know who did what, but these thirty year old cases that are emerging must be really tough to prove. So is it the young woman’s life that was ruined all those many years ago, or is it the man’s life that could potentially be ruined today?
I don’t know the answer to that, but I do know that the hormones are running rampant when we’re young for both sexes. Alcohol often flows freely at parties, causing wrong messages to be conveyed and/or perceived and all of a sudden two people are in the coat closet for a brief encounter that turns out poorly.
If that’s all this was, then it should never have been dredged up. But was it more? Unfortunately in the court of public opinion all it often takes is an accusation of wrong-doing and a gullible listener to presume guilt.
I don’t know how the young lady was dressed that night, if she was drinking or had been flirtatious. I don’t know if he had been drinking, has been spurned, etc.. At this point she she he groped, he says he didn’t. Is that right? Groped, not raped? That’s what I believe I’ve been hearing and reading. If so, and if she got a smack in, she should figure it even and go about her life...
DO ME’S THOUGHTS: Shame on YOU Inger…It NEVER EVER, EVER Should Matter, if the Female was drunk or how she her dress or even if she was being flirtatious, etc.
Tequila is really pissed off at you…she wears no clothes, so does that mean any male human could sexually assault her/rape her???
And by the way, Groping without the woman’s consent, is Sexual Assault.
What would you do Inger, if some MAN try to rape you???
Smack him and go about your life???
“That is the problem with our DAMN SOCIETY of Males = If she dresses like that it is OK to PLUG Her; she must want IT.
OR, If she is that Drunk, it means she wants it.
OR, she flirted with me, she must really want me to do her.”
These are just a Frigging Justifications for Males to commit one of the most Disgusting, Evil, Vile, Crimes…
Never the Man’s fault, it is always her fault; look how she Dressed, plus she was Drunk and Flirted with me too, etc. SAD, SO DAMN SAD.
And WE wonder why Females are so reluctant to REPORT Sex Assaults and/or Rapes???!!! ___________________________________________________________________________________
DO ME’S OPINION: I believe around 98% of the Females that in the last 18-24 months, have FINALLY come forward to report Sexual Assaults/Rapes in all business sectors of America; some going back 30-years.
Why do I BELIEVE them, because they told others about the CRIME when it happen.
Some of Our STUPID Fellow Citizens will say that it is just a Conspiracy…
Yeah, a Conspiracy, that they & their friends planned 12-years ago, 20-years ago, 30-years ago, etc. YEAH RIGHT?
This nominated judge and his past need to be re-investigated (again) by the FBI. They had to initially vet him and apparently missed a few things.
What is great about the FBI; is that if folks who are questioned, LIE, they face jail time. They only need one person to flip and the house of cards (lies) collapses.
The GOP FEARS the FBI getting involved = It gives them MEGA Diarrhea!!!
There is no DEADLINE in our Constitution or the Laws of Congress in regards to the time it should take to investigate a Supreme Court Nominee.
The GOP Cartel, just want to get this over ASAP; before the Democrats take the House back in November.
Funny, it was OK, for the GOP to delay Mr. Obama’s Moderate Pick for the Supreme Court for over a year…but now RUSH, RUSH, RUSH.
The Good News Here Is: These hearings, etc. have turned so many women away from the Republican Party = For Every Action, There Is Always A Reaction.
Finally, if I was A Senator, at this point I would have DOUBT(S) in my mind about this Nominee. When in doubt, vote against???
Why???
1. He has LIED about certain opinions of his, to the Judicial Committee that are different from what he stated in individual meetings with Senators = Yes, it is called lying, not Mis-Stating Facts, or What I meant was.. 2. He has refused to answer certain questions… 3. AND NOW, this Accusation.
Cannot speak, for the Senators, but if I was Senator I would vote NO for Confirmation.
I truly feel sorry for this Brave Women; but I also honor her Courage to come forward and RISK everything, including her Life in front of the entire Nation.
ON A SIDE NOTE: I Pray & Hope every night, that the 70% of Women who have never reported their Sexual Assault/Rape ALL come forward AT ONCE to report such; we would have millions of American Males all at the same time, come down with Mega Diarrhea Attacks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 9:18:17 GMT -5
Terrific video, Rizzuto...
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Post by inger on Sept 22, 2018 11:29:08 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s the case here, inger. He supposedly put his hand over her mouth and pinned her down. And of course, if that turns out to be the truth, he made a huge and stupid mistake, and that is horrible. I hadn’t read or heard that portion. How old were these people when the events are alleged to have happened? I’m just curious, I’m quite sure old enough to know better...though if they were 15-16 there is still time to learn. I assume they were more in the young adult stage???
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Post by inger on Sept 22, 2018 11:46:56 GMT -5
Terrific video, Rizzuto... Funny, but scary...We recenlty took on a 27-year old with a man bun type to teach him the sales ropes. He was working 20 hours per week as the “day manager” of a pizza shop at minimum wage and wanted to secure a better future. We got him over some horrible shyness issues, and then he found a job as a tour guide at a local tourist trap (seasonal, 30 hours per week) at a slight increase and stopped showing up to work with us. Then, he and some friends went hiking during a severe drought and during a campfire ban. Naturally, they built a campfire, which got away from them and burned about 3,000 acres of forest. He’s in jail now awaiting sentencing. Expected 4-8 years. He’ll have to wait to change the world...
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Post by domeplease on Sept 22, 2018 12:44:22 GMT -5
Terrific video, Rizzuto... Funny, but scary...We recenlty took on a 27-year old with a man bun type to teach him the sales ropes. He was working 20 hours per week as the “day manager” of a pizza shop at minimum wage and wanted to secure a better future. We got him over some horrible shyness issues, and then he found a job as a tour guide at a local tourist trap (seasonal, 30 hours per week) at a slight increase and stopped showing up to work with us. Then, he and some friends went hiking during a severe drought and during a campfire ban. Naturally, they built a campfire, which got away from them and burned about 3,000 acres of forest. He’s in jail now awaiting sentencing. Expected 4-8 years. He’ll have to wait to change the world... STUPID BE STUPID. My Mother at a very young age taught me the following:
1. If you come across a Stupid Person, yes, you may try to help them by politely stating FACTS to them. However, If they look at you like you are crazy, SLOWLY move away from them, for they do NOT want your help. And whatever you DO, don't allow them to touch you for Stupidity is a deadly virus that they can pass on to you.
2. If you come across a STUPID CRAZY Person, do NOT even speak to them; just run away from them as fast as you can and DO NOT turn around to look back, for you may trip and then they will infect you with their HATE. Just run; run faster than you have ever run before.
As I read this to Tequila, she is trying to run away from me...
"Tequila, parrots can't run; only fly..."
T-"Then above the damn cage door..."
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Post by domeplease on Sept 23, 2018 12:58:22 GMT -5
--Tequila & I miss Anthony Bourdain…
--08-29-18: www.mnn.com/family/pets/stories/why-do-cats-eat-grass?utm_source=Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9ce6ebc6f3-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_MON8272018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fcbff2e256-9ce6ebc6f3-40201173 “Tequila, why do Cats eat Grass?”
T-“Because they can’t smoke it…”
--08-29-18: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-28/stds-hit-record-high-in-u-s-gonorrhea-poised-to-be-untreatable?cmpid=BBD082818_BW&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=180828&utm_campaign=businessweek The trend is exacerbated by the fact that gonorrhea could soon become resistant to antibiotic treatment, the CDC said in a statement Tuesday. Prevention efforts have also stagnated, and people are using condoms less frequently, said one expert.
“We are sliding backward,” Jonathan Mermin, director of the agency’s national STD center, said in a statement. “It is evident the systems that identify, treat and ultimately prevent STDs are strained to near-breaking point.”
Since 2013, syphilis cases have risen 76 percent to 30,644, while gonorrhea diagnoses have increased 67 percent to 555,608. Chlamydia is the most commonly reported STD with almost 1.7 million cases in 2017, up from just over 1.4 million in 2013. Almost half of chlamydia cases were in girls and women ages 15 to 24.
“Tequila, what should I do to protect myself?”
T: Eat some Grass and Rubber-Up…”
“How is eating grass going to help me?”
T: “Do cats have these STD’S?”
--09-02-18: www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/burning-man-resolves-population-issue-re-admitting-event-goers-after-overselling-event/ar-BBMKqkj?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U147DHP If any of you have NOT been to Burning Man, you should plan to do so…
--08-31-18 IMPORTANT: www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/olive-oil-could-be-better-than-viagra-study-says/ar-BBMDXd9?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=U147DHP After Reading this, before I have Sex from now on, I will First Coat 'James Bond' with Olive Oil...
Men who followed a Mediterranean diet were less likely to be impotent, according to a new study. Consuming at least nine weekly tablespoons of olive oil was also linked to higher levels of testosterone. READ MORE...
--***09-20-18: www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/the-astonishing-reasons-many-arent-ready-to-retire/ss-BBNxKbh?li=BBnbfcN#image=16
--09-03-18: www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/surprising-facts-about-neanderthals?utm_source=Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2da3b76d5a-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_MON932018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fcbff2e256-2da3b76d5a-40201173 THIS EXPLAINS A LOT…
--09-23-18: breakthroughtrend.com/lp/quadcopter/?cep=aIyqFai5QRm6gS4ecdau5PdrXDeUw9dm1v4blR7ppo7fDlxJV8nluX5EtqcMbliY0wMI9o-7i0k7m9HwwKxdi4heXhtHTDKZkp_QLao7kwtIJCNUIQZtxFA6FUrQbWsLCTSI-Lf06RNQcrZZ4BehXSlCQkes-5URAen49mRGIZsT4OhTH4T4x5YCP2cITcT717p70cX8I0PMH6DzgBge4mfXBZ_v4E9-DlAByCBmrYaGGt-0ZJeo9Vj30ho4vGQtCPJkfeYALbrdzpaVh4xR7B_Jd1-FsK-Ox-BRo-6s_HtUpswk93YN19ZUOtvLRwISCu0kZuAbv8Z-lJQNXIrfZmCmXwgnRe8b03BlKurPYGraXLhWhc-uu1d2auB0b7b14hXKn2Wp5lo5nqdaENXNH0bBaEWKayRiG8sYe9CRY5_qdS362ZhJTHDp0_bkG1ms&utm_source=outbrain&utm_campaign=dronexpro&utm_content=Selfie%20Quadcopter%20Revolution%20in%20${country:capitalized}$.%20The%20Idea%20Is%20G&utm_term=CNN&utm_adid=00450e7cf310b4a3fad3fec3bd4fca7fc2&utm_id=00e8ca988f7d01a748f9a28d57d69900d7 The Youth should love this for a New Type of Selfies???...READ MORE.
--09-20-18: www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/mosquitoes-are-eating-plastic-why-thats-a-big-problem.html Young mosquitoes who eat even small pieces of plastic could be contaminating other insects and mammals, according to new research.
Authors of a paper – published in The Royal Society journal Biology Letters on Wednesday – found that when a mosquito larva eats microplastic, that plastic can remain in the insect's body into adulthood. So, the microplastic could then be transferred to whatever might eat that mosquito, including birds.
The U.K. researchers conducted their study in a lab, but they say it's not a stretch to think that plastic could move up the food chain in this way.
"The implication is that you can have plastics at the bottom of the pond that are now going up into the air and being eaten by spiders and bats and animals that normally wouldn't have access to that plastic," author Amanda Callaghan at England's University of Reading told the Independent. READ MORE…
--09-23-18: us.cnn.com/2018/09/19/opinions/ms-13-trump-america-ice-salvador/index.html Money for fuel Beginning in the 1980s, the United States government funneled billions of dollars to corrupt, human-rights abusing officials throughout the region to prevent it from falling into the hands of leftists who had been staging uprisings throughout those countries in Central America, known as the Northern Triangle.
A gruesome civil war between the government and Marxist guerrillas in El Salvador from 1980-1992 claimed 75,000 lives. The United Nations Truth Commission found that Salvadoran government forces, which included military officers trained by the US, paramilitaries and death squads, were responsible for more than 85 percent of the killings and torture.
One of the most brutal conflicts in Latin American history was that of Guatemala's 36-year war in which, according to a truth commission, more than 200,000 mostly indigenous people were killed after being accused of being sympathetic to leftist guerrillas. The US supported the government, despite knowing of its egregious human-rights abuses.
Honduras did not have a civil war but became a staging ground for the various conflicts in neighboring Central American countries, including for US-backed groups.
A gang is born Years of brutal armed conflict have left the region utterly destabilized and led hundreds of thousands of people to seek refuge in the United States. Many Salvadorans began to settle in the barrios of Los Angeles in the early 1980s. In order to protect themselves from already established neighborhood gangs, a group of them formed their own gang called Mara Salvatrucha or MS-13.
It initially consisted of a bunch of heavy metal enthusiasts who chose devil horns as their insignia, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross. They would grow to become one of the deadliest gangs in L.A. and throughout the country.
In the early 1990s, ICE's precursor, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, began rounding up thousands of alleged criminal gang members and deporting them back to their countries of origin — even though many had left their homelands when they were small children fleeing war and had never been back since.
These new, criminalized arrivals began to wreak havoc on the streets of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras — countries that were still reeling from years of conflict and destabilization. It was a deadly combination. The gang problem exploded. As I witnessed in El Salvador in 2005, the country was paralyzed with fear of gangs like MS-13. By 2015, it had become the most murderous country in the world.
Give me shelter In 2014, a massive wave of unaccompanied minors began showing up on the US-Mexico border, mostly from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. Most had been sent for by family members who had previously settled in the US in an attempt to create better and safer lives for themselves and their children.
Not long after, brutal killings began being reported in the US, mostly in cities on the East Coast where large communities of Central Americans reside.
As I experienced when reporting on the latest wave of MS-13 killings in Maryland for the premiere episode of CNN's "This Is Life With Lisa Ling" Season 5, newly arrived unaccompanied minors are continuing to come to the US and are being preyed on by an emboldened MS-13.
They and their families, both in the US and back in their home countries, are threatened with death if they don't ally with the gang. Law enforcement officials in Fairfax County, Virginia, told me that violence is ordered from El Salvador. So when the White House deems MS-13 members "violent animals," let's also acknowledge that US policies helped create this devastating situation. And when the innocent ask our government for shelter from the terror aided by our decisions, perhaps we shouldn't be so hasty to turn them away. READ MORE…
--09-23-18: edition.cnn.com/2018/09/19/sport/building-superyacht-heesen-winch-design/index.html How BIG is your Yacht???
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 23, 2018 20:31:52 GMT -5
I’ve voted a Republican in four of the last six Presidential elections, so I’ll leave that to the readers imagination to ascertain if that might qualify me as an Independent or not. We know with mich, any ideas much to the left of Alex Smith probably denote unpatriotic, radical sympathies, so most of what he says politically ( he is more importantly a studious Yankee fan) should be taken in that context. All witnesses should be called in this case if there are any. They should testify under oath. Then and only then can we arrive at the truth. Apparently Ford has been receiving death threats and has had to relocate for fears of her personal safety. One of her supporters has also been harassed for speaking her mind. All of this is part and parcel of the type of thuggery people will resort to in service to this corrupt administration. This is exactly why people are afraid to come forward until years later. Sexual predators not only subject their victims to the inhumanity of violence and subjication during the act itself, but can strike again by destroying the victim’s credibility when they are called out. If the prospective SC justice is really interested in practicing what he says is his dedication to fairness and honesty, then what a more perfect opportunity to model that behavior than now? You didnt dispute anything I presented which I can only assume is concession that the accusation lacks credibility currently. There were 4 people named as having been involved or as witnesses. All 4 have given official statements to the Senate that say this didnt happen (even more than when I made my original post, including Ford's lifelong female friend). The only person who hasnt gone on the record is the accuser. This woman receiving death threats are not the reason that people are afraid to come forward until years afterwards. The only reason she is receiving death threats, which are abhorrent and anyone who engages in such practice should be prosecuted, is because of the high profile nature of this situation. Death threats are (unfortunately) fairly par for the course for high profile instances and individuals. They are not common place for your standard sexual assault situation. Additionally, I see you have failed to mention that Kavanaugh's family is also receiving death threats. Honest omission, to be sure. However, I do disagree with inger that drinking or intoxication by either party can be used as an excuse for assault of any kind. It is a factor that should be considered in the broad scheme but more importantly in terms of its affect on the memory being conjured, especially after long periods of time (but not as an excuse). Also, who is Alex Smith? The quarterback?
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Post by inger on Sept 23, 2018 20:57:41 GMT -5
A bit of a misunderstanding from this side if anyone percieved from my post that I found assault excusable under any circumstance. What I intended to convey is that if the female was intoxicated she may have invited or consented to the alleged contact, which we don’t know would be considered “normal” behavior for her, or not. Girls get horny, too...and I have been aware of more than one situation where they have aggressively initiated first contact. When they grab and grope, it’s seldom reported...and it can be very easy and convenient for them to turn the scenario around when it becomes convenient for them to do so...
So no. No excuses. IF IT INDEED HAPPENED...
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 24, 2018 7:15:58 GMT -5
A bit of a misunderstanding from this side if anyone percieved from my post that I found assault excusable under any circumstance. What I intended to convey is that if the female was intoxicated she may have invited or consented to the alleged contact, which we don’t know would be considered “normal” behavior for her, or not. Girls get horny, too...and I have been aware of more than one situation where they have aggressively initiated first contact. When they grab and grope, it’s seldom reported...and it can be very easy and convenient for them to turn the scenario around when it becomes convenient for them to do so... So no. No excuses. IF IT INDEED HAPPENED... Thanks for the clarification inger, this was probably a misread on my part. I dont think that view is unreasonable when looking at cases holistically.
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Post by inger on Sept 24, 2018 10:04:44 GMT -5
What I meant to say is never as important as what others think I said. The English language has a lot of trips and traps. I most likely fell into one with my wording. I feel horrible for any person, male or female that has been put in the position of being the recipient of sexual misconduct, and would never condone such a thing. I also feel horrible for anyone who may be falsely accused, for once the accusation is aimed at them, it seems the reputation sticks...
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Sept 24, 2018 10:10:50 GMT -5
What I meant to say is never as important as what others think I said. The English language has a lot of trips and traps. I most likely fell into one with my wording. I feel horrible for any person, male or female that has been put in the position of being the recipient of sexual misconduct, and would never condone such a thing. I also feel horrible for anyone who may be falsely accused, for once the accusation is aimed at them, it seems the reputation sticks... Yup this is exactly correct inger. On your final point there about the reputation sticking...lets take a look at chuck's first comment about this that 2/11 justices will be "sexual predators". Putting aside the Kavanaugh situation that has produced absolutely no proof and is getting more conspiratorial by the day (Michael Avenatti now?), lets consider that Clarence Thomas was confirmed by a Democrat major Senate even after being smeared and the FBI did do an investigation into the Anita Hill claims coming up with absolutely nothing. Yet hes still labeled a "sexual predator" after all these years. People like this arent interested in truth...but Im the radical around here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 10:14:44 GMT -5
So now, yet another woman is coming forward with accusations against Kavanaugh. As expected, The chief mysoginist himself is his loyal defender. No surprise there. Of course the same defense will play out the same way his mentor defends his own creepiness. Deny and blame the women. No doubt others are queuing up to tell of their experiences with this person. Interesting times.
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