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Post by domeplease on Nov 4, 2018 10:28:42 GMT -5
I first took an interest in using shipping containers for home construction nearly twenty years ago. One of the biggest drawbacks from my perspective is that the cost of building such a home is similar to that of building a conventional home, so while we decry the waste of the containers that are strewn about various shipping docks the owners of the containers over-value them with the expectation of recovery of full value as they sit and rust. Even if the containers were discounted or donated for construction projects, the cost of the cutting and welding along with modification into a structure that has aesthetic appeal from the outside and inside still represents a major expense. I would appear that the best usage for a large volume of the containers would be for commercial usage... After much research ONE can get Large Used Containers for around $1,000 to $1,400 each (less if you buy volume). It takes around $500.00 to $750.00 for a thorough cleaning.
So if one buys ten large containers with cleaning expenses = Around $1800.00 Average cost each or $18,000.00 for all Ten.
Now put in tile floors, welding, foundation, electrical, plumbing, windows, painting, stairwells, cabinets, walls (where needed--or sliding walls), deck, basic kitchen appliances, etc. etc. etc.
One would probably be looking at around $45,000 to $50,000 or so....(including labor). Not counting land cost. Total Sq. Feet around 900 sq. ft. or less. Enough for family of FOUR = Kitchen with small eating area, NO Dining Room & No Family Room; small living room area, three small bedrooms with small closets, two small bathrooms, etc.
In-addition one could use the top of the containers for a small Studio/Work Office, Greenhouse, Social Area; OR Solar Panels and/or Small Residential Wind Turbine, etc.
There is a Firm that now builds Apt. Complexes with 50 Apts. out of containers and are able from Start to Finish (ready to move-in) in less than 3-months. Less building time, less COSTS.
Containers can also be put on pillars for flood areas. Basically, they are Earthquake, Hurricane, Tornado, etc. proof.
And if you wrap the outside of the containers with Tri-D Foam material (what my entire house & my bungalows are built out of); you basically have a Fire Proof Casa for 4-hours from immense fire storms. Could be built with less than 5% wood, if not, only 2% wood.
--08-06-18: www.24hplans.com/top-20-shipping-container-home-designs-and-their-costs/ Pictures & Prices as low as $20,000 to $350,000.
You might be amazed how many Americans want to downsize to a Tiny Home like I have listed above:
--11-04-18 IMPORTANT: www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/demand-for-tiny-homes-is-getting-bigger/ar-BBPgI3k?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout (These are NOT Container Homes) The demand for living small is getting bigger. More than half of Americans would consider living in a home that's less than 600 square feet, according to a survey done by the National Association of Home Builders. And among Millennials, interest increases to 63%.
"Tiny is inevitable," says Soren Rose, founder of Klein, which in 2017 began seeking out renowned architects to design tiny prefab homes.
While tiny homes are attractive and novel, there are some design and logistical challenges. Rose says that it will take the combination of form, function and freedom for tiny to take off on a wider scale.
"You see these amazing tiny houses in magazines and on television programs, but you can't really buy them," says Rose. "Architects did it for themselves to prove how they can make a gem. So we thought: Why don't we work with the world's best architects on this? And make them available to everyone."
David Latimer, a tiny home designer and owner of New Frontier Tiny Homes in Nashville, says the challenges to wider acceptance of tiny homes is also procedural.
Consumer financing and zoning regulations are holding the industry back, he says. "Government and financing regulation changes move slower than molasses running up hill in Antarctica."
But with some design enhancements and evolutions in financing and zoning, the tipping point to a wider acceptance of tiny living may be coming.
Architect designed The first architect that Klein asked to design a tiny house that could be mass-produced was Denmark's Bjarke Ingels. The A45 house he and his firm, Bjarke Ingels Group, designed is an enhanced A-frame style in a prismatic shape with a square footprint.
If you imagine taking a cube and pushing two opposite corners down to the ground, that is the shape of the house. The shape gives the interior a more grandiose feel, with full 16-foot height on both sides of the structure.
The 150-square-foot home is a low-impact, off-the-grid structure made of wood, glass and canvas that can be carried into remote areas and constructed by hand.
"You can see it as a surf cottage on Montauk or tucked up in the mountains," says Rose.
Klein is taking pre-orders for the home now, with anticipated delivery in the first quarter of 2019. The company's goal is to keep it under $100,000 for the full structure including interior finishes. (Permitting and clearing of the land are extra.)
But this house is only the first of six homes, each designed by a different architect and exploring a full circle of tiny home concepts.
One will be the biggest home that can be hauled by a semi-truck. Another will be a mobile tiny house. The company is even exploring a tiny home that can be taken down and put up again.
The next home Klein will introduce will be modular.
"There will be A, B and C modules and you can put them together in many possible ways," says Rose. "It has the diversity to be everything from a music studio to an extra cottage to a bigger tiny home for a family. You can customize your home to your life."
Downsize and upgrade Moving from a full-sized home to a tiny home can be an adjustment. No one wants to feel like they are living in "less."
That's why Latimer intentionally designs his homes with full-sized fixtures and appliances, high-end finishes and the kind of craftsmanship you'd find in a custom home.
"Downsize and upgrade," says Latimer. "Every room in my homes feels full size. A lot of natural light. Full-size range. King-size beds. Oven. Big sinks."
This is in keeping with the tiny home idea of scaling back and having more.
"The new status symbol is cultivating a life of experience," says Latimer. "It is about experiences, not stuff. And small spaces allow us to do that. People are looking for smaller mortgages, smaller time lines. With more time and money for other things."
Evolved zoning and financing A source of frustration for those who want to live tiny is a lack of easy paths to rezoning for tiny homes and access to consumer financing products.
Zoning laws are local and specific, making large-scale sales of these homes harder. In many places there are zoning laws that have minimum lot size requirements.
This doesn't prohibit tiny homes, but makes them very expensive given the cost of land. Some communities prohibit additional structures on a property.
If the home is on wheels, a buyer cannot easily secure traditional financing.
But these regulations are evolving. Slowly.
A newly updated building code relaxes certain requirements for tiny homes like the ceiling height and staircase specifications, according to the National Association of Home Builders.
"The future for residential housing has to change," says Latimer. "It is an idea whose time has come."
Tiny houses on wheels will continue to have useful applications, but the increasing demand for mass market tiny homes on a foundation will help to grow an industry and a community-based movement, Latimer says.
"We're not talking about putting spaceships on land next to anyone's house," says Latimer. "It is a home, it just a little smaller. The bar can be shifted from a governmental standpoint because this is an option people want."
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Post by domeplease on Nov 5, 2018 11:19:15 GMT -5
--If YOU ALL are concerned/worried about the Devastating Deadly Extreme Climate Events that have impacted America (and the rest of the world ) in the last few years…
Than just keep in mind Donald & the majority of the GOP are Anti-Global Warming Believers.
In fact they are doing their best (Bad for us Citizens) to do away with all Regulations/Laws that were put in place to battle & slow down these Extreme Deadly Climate Events (Global Warming).
So please, please, please; tomorrow VOTE BLUE for all Elections = Local, State & Congress.
--MORE GLOBAL WARMING EVENTS & DDECE’S (Devastating Deadly Extreme Climate Events) Articles: 11-02-18: www.cnn.com/2018/11/01/australia/ocean-warming-report-intl/index.html
SHOCKING & REAL BAD NEWS FOR ALL…PLEASE keep in mind that Donald & the Vast Majority of the GOP do NOT believe in Global Warming…
(CNN) — A new study has found that the world's oceans absorbed 60% more heat per year than previously believed, findings that could have serious implications in the fight against climate change.
The research, published in the journal Nature on Wednesday, suggests that the Earth is even more sensitive to fossil fuel emissions than experts thought.
Oceans absorb 90% of the excess heat trapped in the world's atmosphere, according to the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA).
The paper's author, Laure Resplandy, from Princeton University, said she and her colleagues found that the oceans had absorbed significantly more heat over the past 25 years than had been estimated in a landmark 2014 report from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Potential implications of warmer oceans include: •Sea levels rising faster than forecast; •More coral reefs dying; •More powerful storms; •Increased melting of sea ice; •Changes to ocean currents.
"Imagine if the ocean was only 30 feet deep," said Resplandy, in a news release from the Princeton Environmental Institute that accompanied the study.
"Our data show that it would have warmed by 6.5 degrees Celsius (11.7 degrees Fahrenheit) every decade since 1991. In comparison, the estimate of the last IPCC assessment report would correspond to a warming of only 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) every decade."
Laurent Bopp, a co-author of the study from the Ecole Normale Supérieure in Paris, told CNN the findings were "bad news for the ocean itself, bad news for the ecosystem.
Because the circulation of water in the deep oceans is very slow, the heat that has been absorbed will remain there for a very long time, Bopp said, likely centuries rather than decades.
"Climate change is not only about the next decades to the end of the century. It will affect the earth for centuries and millennia after that," he said.
The findings come weeks after a dire report from the United Nations warned that humanity has just over 10 years to act to avoid disastrous levels of global warming, urging governments to make "rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society."
The UN report found that the planet will reach the crucial threshold of 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels by as early as 2030, precipitating the risk of extreme drought, wildfires, floods and food shortages for hundreds of millions of people.
Climate scientists say rising ocean temperatures have fueled more powerful storms and are killing off underwater wildlife like Australia's Great Barrier Reef.
***11-05-18: www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-05/doomsday-investing-in-a-time-of-climate-change Preppers like to buy property in remote places like New Zealand or stockpile canned food in their basements in case civilization collapses. They are weirdos, or so I thought until I had a kid.
A girl born in Germany today can expect to live long enough to draw a pension in the year 2100. But unless our emissions are drastically reduced, the world she will inhabit is on track to be more than 3 degrees Celsius (5.5 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than pre-industrial times – a level not seen on this planet for some 3 million years.
The northern hemisphere's past summer – which followed just one degree of warming – gave a foretaste of what that means: more droughts, powerful hurricanes, flooding and deadly wildfires.
How should we steel ourselves for an environment like that? Financially, speaking, the answer involves thinking more like a prepper.
I haven’t started stockpiling supplies (yet) – but it’s starting to affect some important long-term decisions. Should I have more children? (Probably not) Where should I buy a house? (Definitely not near the ocean). Will climate change affect a family's investment plans? Almost certainly. Losses from climate change could be large and permanent.
And I'm not just talking about risks to the insurance industry and potentially “stranded” oil and coal reserves that Bank of England governor Mark Carney highlighted in a 2015 speech. Climate change is a systemic problem, and lower economic growth means investors will struggle to avoid this risk.
I'm fully aware that money matters not a jot compared to, say, whether hundreds of millions of people in developing countries are displaced by flooding, desertification, or intolerable heat. Germany isn't that vulnerable to the worst effects of climate change and is rich enough to deal with what comes its way.
1 But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t talk about how climate change could impact returns – indeed it’s something pension fund managers and actuaries are starting to pay serious attention to.
The trouble is humans aren't very good at pricing the risk of long-term calamities: otherwise, people would have ceased buying multi-million dollar condos in low-lying Miami Beach by now. Equity markets are more concerned with the near-term path of interest rates and probability of recession than they are with the melting ice sheets.
But just because the worst effects of climate change won't show up until the second half of this century, that doesn't mean markets won't adjust sooner, and perhaps then quite rapidly.
“Short-term shifts in market sentiment induced by awareness of future, as yet unrealized, climate risks could lead to economic shocks, causing substantial losses in financial portfolio value within timescales that are relevant to all investors,” is how academics at the University of Cambridge summarized the issue in this November 2015 report.
In an effort to quantify such a long-term and variable-rich problem, strategists have borrowed a concept from the world of high finance: value-at risk. VaR measures a portfolio's worst-case loss over a specified time horizon and at a given probability.
It's an imperfect concept, to be sure: during the financial crisis it spectacularly underestimated banks’ vulnerability to losses. But if VaR helps gets financial types thinking more about the risks of catastrophic change, I’m all for it.
So how much of the global stock of financial assets is at risk of destruction due to climate change?
An Economist Intelligence Unit study found that $4 trillion of wealth (in today's money) could be obliterated by 2100 and perhaps as much as $14 trillion (or 10 percent of the total) if the planet warms by 6 degrees.
2 How come? In a warmer world, the economy will probably grow more slowly.
3 Humans are far less productive at high temperatures. There will be periodic losses of infrastructure and real estate assets through storm damage. Government budgets will also be battered by the cost of rebuilding and damage-prevention efforts, just as tax receipts decline.
At some point, society may decide there’s no point in rebuilding, leading to a permanent loss of productive capacity. Hence returns from equities and other financial assets will probably be lower.
The problem is most acute for developing countries, many of which will be among those most severely hurt by climate change.
4 These economies tend to more dependent on agriculture and they lack the financial resources to adapt by, constructing flood defenses, for example.
I’m not confident that humanity will prevent temperatures increasing more than an acceptable 1.5 degrees. Co-operation isn’t very fashionable right now: Donald Trump doubts humans cause climate change (or doesn’t care), and has pulled world's largest economy out of the Paris climate accord.
Even Germany, a climate leader, still depends on coal for more than a third of power production. We’re alarmingly far off the path towards carbon neutrality.
This all sounds bleak, and it is, but there is one sliver of hope. People don't like things that make them poorer.
The more global temperatures rise, the more people stand to lose – and unlike a recession there’s no quick rebound from climate change.
If fears of material financial loss for ourselves and our children can't motivate us to change our ways, then perhaps nothing will.
In the meantime, assume asset returns will be lower than they might otherwise have been and try to put aside more money today. We are all preppers now.
--10-30-18: www.nbcnews.com/news/world/world-s-vertebrate-population-dropped-average-60-percent-1970-wwf-n926061 LONDON — The population of the planet's vertebrates has dropped an average of 60 percent since 1970, according to a report by the WWF conservation organization.
The most striking decline in vertebrate population was in the tropics in South and Central America, with an 89 percent loss compared to 1970. Freshwater species have also significantly fallen — down 83 percent in that period.
The Living Planet Index, provided by the Zoological Society of London (ZSL) and included in the WWF Living Planet 2018 report, tracked the population of mammals, birds, fish, reptiles and amphibians around the world between 1970 and 2014, the latest year for which data was available.
Other examples of wildlife populations that have dropped include: The hedgehog, which has declined 75 percent between 2002 and 2014 in urban areas in the U.K. The grey partridge, which has fallen by 85 percent between 1970 and 2004. The African grey parrot population in southwest Ghana, which has decreased by 98 percent between 1992 and 2014.
Additionally, since 1950, almost 6 billion tons of fish and invertebrates have been taken from the oceans.
“There cannot be a healthy, happy and prosperous future for people on a planet with a destabilized climate, depleted oceans and rivers, degraded land and empty forests, all stripped of biodiversity, the web of life that sustains us all,” WWF Director General Marco Lambertin wrote in the report, which included contributions from more than 50 experts from around the world.
The report highlighted how humans have negatively affected the general health of the planet. One extreme example was the world's seabirds, with around 90 percent estimated to have plastic in their stomachs today, up from 5 percent in 1960.
--10-29-18: www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/weve-never-seen-this-massive-canadian-glaciers-shrinking-rapidly/ar-BBP62lI?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U147DHP Scientists in Canada have warned that massive glaciers in the Yukon territory are shrinking even faster than would be expected from a warming climate – and bringing dramatic changes to the region. After a string of recent reports chronicling the demise of the ice fields, researchers hope that greater awareness will help the public better understand the rapid pace of climate change.
The rate of warming in the north is double that of the average global temperature increase, concluded the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in its annual Arctic Report Card, which called the warming “unprecedented”.
“The region is one of the hotspots for warming, which is something we’ve come to realize over the last 15 years,” said David Hik of Simon Fraser University. “The magnitude of the changes is dramatic.”
In their recent State of the Mountains report published earlier in the summer, the Canadian Alpine Club found that the Saint Elias mountains – which span British Columbia, the Yukon and Alaska – are losing ice faster than the rest of the country.
Previous research found that between 1957 and 2007, the range lost 22% of its ice cover, enough to raise global seal levels by 1.1 millimetres.
“When I first went to the St Elias range, it felt like time travel – into the past,” said Hik, who co-edited the report. “What we’re seeing now feels like time travel into the future. Because as the massive glaciers are retreating, they’re causing a complete reorganization of the environment.”
The accelerating melt of the glacier has resulted in major shifts to water sources at lower elevations.
In 2016, the meltwaters of the glacier shifted dramatically away from the Slims river, cutting off critical water supplies to Kluane Lake – a Unesco world heritage site. Since the diversion, water levels at the lake have dropped more than 6.6ft – stranding thousands of fish from their natural spawning rivers.
Dust storms have begun to flare up along sections of the well-travelled Alaska Highway – at times halting traffic, the result of a dry river bed covered in glacial silt. The events at Kluane Lake are a precursor of what can be expected elsewhere, said Hik.
The dramatic changes to the landscape come amid predictions that the Arctic region is slated to experience far quicker – and potentially devastating –warming in the coming years.
“We’re seeing a 20% difference in area coverage of the glaciers in Kluane national park and reserve and the rest of the Unesco world heritage site [over a 60-year period],” Diane Wilson, a field unit superintendent at Parks Canada, told the CBC. “We’ve never seen that. It’s outside the scope of normal.”
In the St Elias range, researchers have found warming intensifies at higher altitudes – a phenomenon they are not quite able to explain.
“These types of events aren’t isolated to glacial events in the St Elias,” said Zac Robinson, the report’s co-author and professor at the University of Alberta. “We’re slated to lose 80% of the ice cover in the Rocky Mountains over the next 50 years.”
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Post by domeplease on Nov 6, 2018 8:48:14 GMT -5
--11-06-18: When ONE thinks of Donald & the majority of the GOP today = Corruption, Ethics Violations, Indictments, Hate & Racism Rhetoric, MORE LIES, Hate Language, Wants to do more cutbacks to Medicare—Social Security—SNAP—Medicaid; MORE LIES; etc. etc. etc.
Do you really want to hear a constant barrage of Hate/Fear Rhetoric from Donald & the Majority of the GOP = That will only SPUR ON/PRODUCE More Hate Events, Hate Crimes, Hate Violence & Killings?
Do you all really want more cuts/dismantling of Laws & Regulations that were put in place to Battle: The Devastating, Deadly Extreme Climate Events (that have impacted us in the last two years); with ONLY MANY more heading our way? QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO ANSWER: “Is this YOUR America?” “Is this the America you want to live in?” “Is this climate of HATE, LIES & FEAR; the American Dream?” “If you are a Veteran, “Is this the America you fought for?”
“Is this the America you want YOUR CHILDREN/RELATIVES to live in/grow-up in?’ AND: For those BRAVE SOULS that gave their LIVES in fighting for America, in Wars:
“Did they give THEIR LIVES for this?”
I BEG & PLEAD WITH YOU ALL:
Please, please, please for all Local, State & Congressional Candidates PLEASE VOTE BLUE.
GOD HELP US!!!
11-06-18 MORE RECENT LIES BY DONALD: www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/fact-checking-trump%e2%80%99s-election-eve-rallies/ar-BBPo3sE?li=BBnb7Kz Other Claims
Mr. Trump also repeated numerous claims The New York Times has previously fact-checked:
■ He falsely claimed Democrats want to “take away your health care.” (Democrats have consistently supported efforts to expand health care coverage.)
■ He falsely claimed Democrats support “open borders.” (Democrats support border security measures.)
■ He accused Democrats of inviting “caravan after caravan.” (There is no evidence that Democrats are behind the migrant caravan.)
■ He misleadingly claimed “we’ve already started” to build his promised border wall. (Construction has not begun.)
■ He falsely said “Medicare for all” proposals would “obliterate Medicare for seniors.” (The proposals expand coverage and benefits.)
■ He claimed illegal immigration costs the country over $100 billion a year. (The figure comes from an anti-immigration group that has been heavily criticized by other researchers for methodological flaws.)
■ He claimed lawmakers were unable to pass the Veterans Choice program for “44 years.” (He enacted a bill making changes to the program, which was created in 2014.)
■ He falsely claimed terminally ill patients could not gain access to experimental drugs before he signed a “Right to Try” law. (A similar federal program has existed since the 1970s.)
■ He misleadingly claimed to have saved $1.1 billion on the United States Embassy in Jerusalem. (This figure conflates the cost of a temporary location with the cost of building a new permanent embassy.)
■ He falsely claimed to have passed the largest tax cuts in American history. (Several others were larger.)
■ He claimed Republicans would always protect patients with pre-existing conditions. (Republican legislation and actions by the Trump administration have undermined those protections.)
■ He claimed association health plans, which his administration approved in June, will be “frankly better insurance” than those offered under the Affordable Care Act. (The association plans do not have to offer coverage of “essential health benefits” like maternity care, mental health care and prescription drugs.) READ MORE…
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Post by inger on Nov 6, 2018 10:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 13:21:43 GMT -5
I hope everyone voted. I sent my ballot in last month.
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Post by inger on Nov 6, 2018 13:47:14 GMT -5
All done, but to be honest...I trust no one...Drain the swamp...syphon the moat...spray lots of Lysol...
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Nov 6, 2018 19:26:27 GMT -5
All done, but to be honest...I trust no one...Drain the swamp...syphon the moat...spray lots of Lysol... Doing my part to drain the swamp in NJ. Holding out hope we get one of the most corrupt individuals in the US Senate out of there.
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Post by inger on Nov 6, 2018 19:43:54 GMT -5
All done, but to be honest...I trust no one...Drain the swamp...syphon the moat...spray lots of Lysol... Doing my part to drain the swamp in NJ. Holding out hope we get one of the most corrupt individuals in the US Senate out of there. Make sure you use tons of Lysol if you succeed. Unfortunately the germ is rampant, repugnant, and tends to reinvigorate even with new occupants... The people ARE corrupt, but the system is the real problem...
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 6, 2018 21:00:30 GMT -5
Our governor is conceding right now, at least he didn't end up in prison like so many ex-Illinois governors.
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Post by inger on Nov 6, 2018 21:08:25 GMT -5
Our governor is conceding right now, at least he didn't end up in prison like so many ex-Illinois governors. They’re called two-term governors. One term in office, and the other in jail...
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 6, 2018 21:30:52 GMT -5
Our governor is conceding right now, at least he didn't end up in prison like so many ex-Illinois governors. They’re called two-term governors. One term in office, and the other in jail... Sad, but true!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 7:12:51 GMT -5
Like so many Ali/Norton type fights- split decision.
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2018 11:15:48 GMT -5
The investigations into Trump’s income, life, sexual dalliances, what he had for breakfast, and what it looked like coming out of his ass the next day will all begin in earnest now, I suppose.
Most likely, we’ll find out he liked beer when he was younger. Maybe he kissed a girl once when they both had a beer. Maybe she’ll remember where it happened.
We’ll know it all soon enough...
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Post by inger on Nov 7, 2018 11:28:11 GMT -5
A short rant on the unfairness of the energy tax credit...
A 30% tax credit is a wonderful benefit for those who are making a decent income and wish to to energy improvements on their home. There are two groups that tend to be left behind however. The retired elderly who have no income other than their Social Security Are left out because they no longer pay federal taxes. On the surface this is logical, but when you dig deeper, these folks generally worked and paid federal taxes for 35-50 years. Taxes in past years don’t count. If you’re not paying them in the year you install the energy upgrade, you can’t take a credit on past years.
The other group that I’m finding that often wants Solar Energy is disabled veterans. Their disability income is not taxed. It seems shameful that after fighting for their country these folks aren’t able to add an energy tax credit to their benefits list.
As with many well-intended government incentives, this one one does not help the poor or indigent.
This coming year of 2019 will be the last year the 30% tax credit extends into. After that it begins to diminish and then eventually goes away...I doubt the current administration will care to offer an extension...We’ll have to wait until after 2020 to address that...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 4:36:59 GMT -5
Hey, I have a great idea.. let’s fire the Attorney General and replace him with a crony who is on record saying he wants to shut down the investigation. Looks like Trump’s son has a real shot at being indicted, but more importantly, Trump’s finances are under scrutiny. Like the man said. You want to stir up the hornets nest, fuck with the money. He was in a really bad mood at the presser today.
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